"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
It's November and it's getting dark at 5:30 and it's cool and overcast
PoC is not an expression i have ever really encountered outside discussions of social justice
i'm not sure when, if ever, it's correct or appropriate to use the term
For some reason at some point it became acceptable in certain circles to use an old-timey polite-racist term to refer to all nonwhite people.
I pointed this out in a rant I went on a little bit ago about how the social justice community is often pretty racist itself but I immediately got like eight reblogs telling me I was wrong so I just deleted it.
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
It's a term I first encountered on scans_daily.
Not sure what comic books have to do with left-wing politics, except that a large percentage of the New Left's energy does go into critiquing pop culture.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
Person of color (plural: people of color; persons of color) is a term used primarily in the United States to describe any person who is not white. The term is meant to be inclusive among non-white groups, emphasizing common experiences of racism. People of color was introduced as a preferable replacement to both non-white and minority, which are also inclusive, because it frames the subject positively; non-white defines people in terms of what they are not (white), and minority frequently carries a subordinate connotation.[1] Style guides for writing from American Heritage,[2] the Stanford Graduate School of Business,[3]Mount Holyoke College,[4] recommend the term over these alternatives. It may also be used with other collective categories of people such as students of color, men of color and women of color. People of Color typically refer to people of African, Asian, Hispanic and/or Latino, Pacific Islander and Native American heritage. It may also be used to refer to mixed-race people.
The untranslated English term has also seen some limited usage among Germans of color, especially when stressing the postcolonial perspective,[5] but so far has not found entrance into general German language and is not necessarily known by the general populace.
Although the term citizens of color was used by Martin Luther King, Jr. in 1963, and other uses date to as early as 1793, people of color did not gain prominence for many years.[6][7] Influenced by radical theorists like Frantz Fanon, racial justice activists in the U.S. began to use the term people of color in the late 1970s and early 1980s. By the late 1980s and early 1990s, it was in wide circulation.[8] Both anti-racist activists and academics sought to move understandings of race beyond the black-white binary then prevalent.[9]
I am aware of the reasoning behind it, I simply disagree with it.
I think the term, in addition to just plain sounding bad, implies that all nonwhite people are essentially the same, which is obviously not true.
Even if we accept its use in the western world, it doesn't make any sense to use it when referring to citizens in other countries, especially non-European ones. Which was the original impetus for me to start thinking about this at all.
i think it probably makes sense from a US perspective, but i'm not in the US and you guys are so i could be completely wrong there
i doubt the intention is the erasure of differences between different ethnic groups; if it was then 'minority' is even worse since it's also applied to other minority groups (gender, sexuality, religion, disability, etc)
i think it probably makes sense from a US perspective, but i'm not in the US so i could be completely wrong there
i doubt the intention is the erasure of differences between different ethnic groups; if it was then 'minority' is even worse since it's also applied to other minority groups (gender, sexuality, religion, disability, etc)
I'm not advocating the use of "minority" though.
And, even if that's not the intention, that's ultimately what it does. Consistently talking about all nonwhite ethnicities as if they are the same is a problem, especially if that terminology carries over to discussions about other countries where the same racial issues don't exist.
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
And, even if that's not the intention, that's ultimately what it does. Consistently talking about all nonwhite ethnicities as if they are the same is a problem, especially if that terminology carries over to discussions about other countries where the same racial issues don't exist.
i didn't say you were advocating the use of 'minority'
tho personally i think it is helpful to have a general word like minority, and i don't consider it offensive or see it as implying everyone it applies to is the same
now, consistently talking about all nonwhite ethnicities as if they are the same, yeah, that's obviously a problem
like i said, i definitely see where you're coming from, i'm just saying, it doesn't sound like the term PoC has racist origins, unless the Wikipedia article is wrong
Look maybe it's just me being hypocritcal and applying my own experiences to everyone, but the only time I have ever heard the term "colored" to refer to people before this whole Social Justice Blogging scene started existing is old white people who grew up in the 50s.
So maybe it's more polite to say it's outdated instead of purely offensive. It's still not really appropriate to use in the modern day.
to elaborate: i think 'minority' is a potentially useful word because societies which discriminate against one minority group very often discriminate against several, often in a similar way, and harmful prejudices can intersect
in such instances i think it's pragmatically useful to be able to point out that a society has a track record of treating minority groups poorly, or that a society oppresses numerous minority groups
to elaborate: i think 'minority' is a potentially useful word because societies which discriminate against one minority group very often discriminate against several, often in a similar way, and harmful prejudices can intersect
in such instances i think it's pragmatically useful to be able to point out that a society has a track record of treating minority groups poorly, or that a society oppresses numerous minority groups
I'm not really disagreeing with you I'm just saying that I find the term "PoC" offensive. Maybe that's just me getting offended on the behalf of other people, but I find it inappropriate.
Look maybe it's just me being hypocritcal and applying my own experiences to everyone, but the only time I have ever heard the term "colored" to refer to people before this whole Social Justice Blogging scene started existing is old white people who grew up in the 50s.
So maybe it's more polite to say it's outdated instead of purely offensive. It's still not really appropriate to use in the modern day.
well, not to be obvious but coloured is a different term; obviously they're related, i don't doubt Frantz Fanon had the older term in mind, and maybe i'm wrong here and there is no difference, but if the Wiki article is accurate there is
i think semantics do matter when what you're dealing with are slurs vs terms of identification
i really didn't set out to argue with you here, i just wondered about the term and looked it up, and posted what i found
Whatever. I'm done talking about it for the time being if it's all the same to you, I mostly just wanted to bitch about people being dumb on Tumblr anyway.
in other news
is there any interest in my EU4 lets play at all? There weren't any posts in that thread and I have no way to access analytics of any sort to know if anyone read the first post.
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
Coloured people = extremely offense, because it's old-fashioned.
People of colour = extremely polite, because a black communist used it.
Coloured people = extremely offense, because it's old-fashioned.
People of colour = extremely polite, because a black communist used it.
i realize you're probably being facetious, but if one was traditionally used in a degrading or dehumanizing fashion, and the other was introduced with egalitarian aims, then it's quite reasonable for them to be interpreted differently
when you use a word you communicate a meaning, so it should make a difference whether the intended meaning behind the use is benevolent or malevolent
and that's without considering the roles of signifyin(g) and the reclaiming of slurs in African-American culture
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That said I wouldn't be surprised if the sample size was rather small.
presumably the study is cited in the book in question
why do I even bother.
well, of course they did
this is the study, it was conducted in 1985 and the sample was, if Trip on tumblr is correct, just 114 guys.
It's just packed with funny lines. I especially like the principal's.
Also, Leigh has the book that movie is based on (the Tina Fay character is a stand-in for the author).
I love Autumn
i'm not sure when, if ever, it's correct or appropriate to use the term
this might be stupid, but walking alone in the dark makes me nervous
I pointed this out in a rant I went on a little bit ago about how the social justice community is often pretty racist itself but I immediately got like eight reblogs telling me I was wrong so I just deleted it.
It's a term I first encountered on scans_daily.
Not sure what comic books have to do with left-wing politics, except that a large percentage of the New Left's energy does go into critiquing pop culture.
Something about it is comforting...
I think the term, in addition to just plain sounding bad, implies that all nonwhite people are essentially the same, which is obviously not true.
Even if we accept its use in the western world, it doesn't make any sense to use it when referring to citizens in other countries, especially non-European ones. Which was the original impetus for me to start thinking about this at all.
much less Martin Luther King
i think it probably makes sense from a US perspective, but i'm not in the US and you guys are so i could be completely wrong there
i doubt the intention is the erasure of differences between different ethnic groups; if it was then 'minority' is even worse since it's also applied to other minority groups (gender, sexuality, religion, disability, etc)
And, even if that's not the intention, that's ultimately what it does. Consistently talking about all nonwhite ethnicities as if they are the same is a problem, especially if that terminology carries over to discussions about other countries where the same racial issues don't exist.
the world is not homogeneous
tho personally i think it is helpful to have a general word like minority, and i don't consider it offensive or see it as implying everyone it applies to is the same
now, consistently talking about all nonwhite ethnicities as if they are the same, yeah, that's obviously a problem
like i said, i definitely see where you're coming from, i'm just saying, it doesn't sound like the term PoC has racist origins, unless the Wikipedia article is wrong
Look maybe it's just me being hypocritcal and applying my own experiences to everyone, but the only time I have ever heard the term "colored" to refer to people before this whole Social Justice Blogging scene started existing is old white people who grew up in the 50s.
So maybe it's more polite to say it's outdated instead of purely offensive. It's still not really appropriate to use in the modern day.
in such instances i think it's pragmatically useful to be able to point out that a society has a track record of treating minority groups poorly, or that a society oppresses numerous minority groups
this is awesome
*Ysselstein for you diagraph-phobes
Which is weird because it's in lower Germany.
i think semantics do matter when what you're dealing with are slurs vs terms of identification
i really didn't set out to argue with you here, i just wondered about the term and looked it up, and posted what i found
sorry if i came off as aggressive or pushy
Whatever. I'm done talking about it for the time being if it's all the same to you, I mostly just wanted to bitch about people being dumb on Tumblr anyway.
in other news
is there any interest in my EU4 lets play at all? There weren't any posts in that thread and I have no way to access analytics of any sort to know if anyone read the first post.
Coloured people = extremely offense, because it's old-fashioned.
People of colour = extremely polite, because a black communist used it.
honestly it doesn't seem like the kind of game i'd normally be interested in
and i argue a lot too, i can't seem to help myself
Caliborn can have a lollipop and Team Flare can have Red-Hots.
8ut no candy canes.
The Ivory Coast is producing Gold, the Gold Coast is producing Grain, and the Grain Coast is producing Ivory.
and was insane.
when you use a word you communicate a meaning, so it should make a difference whether the intended meaning behind the use is benevolent or malevolent
and that's without considering the roles of signifyin(g) and the reclaiming of slurs in African-American culture