In a world where shooters tend to take place in either deserts or WWII, Bioshock takes you to the bottom of the ocean, in the remains of a crumbling underwater city. It gives you superpowers and colorful, dark villains, and provides backstories to both of them. Honestly, the best parts of the plot happen long before Jack ends up on that lighthouse. The prequel book of the game is probably as good as the game itself.
The biggest problem with Bioshock's plot is that it effectively ends at the twist. After that, the game becomes the same thing that it was trying to poke at: a straight revenge mission, with no other options besides finding Fontaineand murdering him painfully.
As for Bioshock 2, you don't really play it for the plot. The plot has no idea what it's doing, and it's no better than that of your typical action movie.You play it to be a drill-wielding master of destruction.
In a world where shooters tend to take place in either deserts or WWII, Bioshock takes you to the bottom of the ocean, in the remains of a crumbling underwater city. It gives you superpowers and colorful, dark villains, and provides backstories to both of them. Honestly, the best parts of the plot happen long before Jack ends up on that lighthouse. The prequel book of the game is probably as good as the game itself.
The biggest problem with Bioshock's plot is that it effectively ends at the twist. After that, the game becomes the same thing that it was trying to poke at: a straight revenge mission, with no other options besides finding Fontaineand murdering him painfully.
This is really my issue in a nutshell and more or less what I meant.
You can't criticize something and then do exactly what you were criticizing without coming across as either lazy or a hypocrite.
It also kind of bugs me how people assume this is a "kneejerk reaction" I have. It's wholly possible to make a good deconstructionist game, it's just difficult, and most examples of said style of game aren't great at what they aim to do in that respect.
In a world where shooters tend to take place in either deserts or WWII, Bioshock takes you to the bottom of the ocean, in the remains of a crumbling underwater city. It gives you superpowers and colorful, dark villains, and provides backstories to both of them. Honestly, the best parts of the plot happen long before Jack ends up on that lighthouse. The prequel book of the game is probably as good as the game itself.
The biggest problem with Bioshock's plot is that it effectively ends at the twist. After that, the game becomes the same thing that it was trying to poke at: a straight revenge mission, with no other options besides finding Fontaineand murdering him painfully.
This is really my issue in a nutshell and more or less what I meant.
You can't criticize something and then do exactly what you were criticizing without coming across as either lazy or a hypocrite.
Oooooh. I thought you were saying that even the plot up until the twist was lazy. But yeah, I agree, after the twist the story just sort of falls apart.
In a world where shooters tend to take place in either deserts or WWII, Bioshock takes you to the bottom of the ocean, in the remains of a crumbling underwater city. It gives you superpowers and colorful, dark villains, and provides backstories to both of them. Honestly, the best parts of the plot happen long before Jack ends up on that lighthouse. The prequel book of the game is probably as good as the game itself.
The biggest problem with Bioshock's plot is that it effectively ends at the twist. After that, the game becomes the same thing that it was trying to poke at: a straight revenge mission, with no other options besides finding Fontaineand murdering him painfully.
This is really my issue in a nutshell and more or less what I meant.
You can't criticize something and then do exactly what you were criticizing without coming across as either lazy or a hypocrite.
Oooooh. I thought you were saying that even the plot up until the twist was lazy. But yeah, I agree, after the twist the story just sort of falls apart.
honestly I remember very little of the plot prior to the twist, didn't really stick with me.
Some of the characters were good (eg. the guy in the opera house area), but most of the time I sort of felt along for the ride, plotwise, as opposed to actually involved in what was going on, but that's typical for FPS games.
Anyways, what I came here to write is that we should lower the minimum age for Senators to 17.
You know why? If you told the top 10% of a high school's senior class to compromise on a project or fail the class, they'd frigging compromise. And that makes them more competent than the senators and representatives who let the sequester happen.
I don't even know why I'm angry at months-old politics right now. I just am.
That isn't the satirical part of Bioshock. The satirical part is the twist. And I'd say it is pretty exaggerated, considering you start taking your orders immediately, and from a person you know nothing about.
That isn't the satirical part of Bioshock. The satirical part is the twist. And I'd say it is pretty exaggerated, considering you start taking your orders immediately, and from a person you know nothing about.
there's nothing there that indicates to me that it was supposed to be a sendup of something else.
taking orders from people you know nothing about is, again, pretty standard for FPSes. Marathon picked that one apart years before Bioshock existed.
Actually, there's one complicated choice in Bioshock.
Minor Spoilers: There's one point where a guy goes insane because [Spoilers], and before he goes insane, he leaves a message asking the PC to kill him. However, when you find the guy, he's willing to exile himself rather than die. That one's a bit more complicated than the typical moral binary fare.
Actually, there's one complicated choice in Bioshock.
Minor Spoilers: There's one point where a guy goes insane because [Spoilers], and before he goes insane, he leaves a message asking the PC to kill him. However, when you find the guy, he's willing to exile himself rather than die. That one's a bit more complicated than the typical moral binary fare.
It's been raining hard here all afternoon, and the power glitched a few times. (in a building that's served by a fairly reliable underground circuit, no less). Yikes.
The worldbuilding is interesting. The grafting of the worldbuilding onto the existing worldbuilding is rather poor though. It's not implausible, but 90% of it wasn't mentioned in the previous game. There's no sense of cohesion between Bioshock 1 and 2, you see.
As for the plot, I'll say this. They could have done more with the collectivism theme.
The plot basically boils down to "true love (except filial love this time) can overcome all". Not only is that an incredibly hokey thing for a plot to boil down to, it's not really connected to the collectivism theme that surrounds the antagonist.
Also, there's a part where a black crooner-woman implicitly threatens to lynch the protagonist, which is a really bad decision by whoever was in charge of writing her part in the story.
I did like the audio recordings of Ryan in this version, I'll give them that.
Politics works like what would happen if everyone was me: loud, unwilling to compromise, obsessive, overemotional about stuff, and with fanatic conviction and devotion. 535 Alirozes working together in one government, of course it's an aggravating pile of buzzwords and meaningless noise with no consideration of actual people.
Oh, and imagine if I could filibuster and nobody could make me stop ranting.
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The Last of Us is apparently the best game to come out this year or some shit.
my friend Patrick says it restored his faith in video games as art.
me being me, I have not played it and will probably develop neutral-skewing-negative opinions of it over time.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
In a world where shooters tend to take place in either deserts or WWII, Bioshock takes you to the bottom of the ocean, in the remains of a crumbling underwater city. It gives you superpowers and colorful, dark villains, and provides backstories to both of them. Honestly, the best parts of the plot happen long before Jack ends up on that lighthouse. The prequel book of the game is probably as good as the game itself.
The biggest problem with Bioshock's plot is that it effectively ends at the twist. After that, the game becomes the same thing that it was trying to poke at: a straight revenge mission, with no other options besides finding Fontaine and murdering him painfully.
As for Bioshock 2, you don't really play it for the plot. The plot has no idea what it's doing, and it's no better than that of your typical action movie.You play it to be a drill-wielding master of destruction.
This is really my issue in a nutshell and more or less what I meant.
You can't criticize something and then do exactly what you were criticizing without coming across as either lazy or a hypocrite.
It also kind of bugs me how people assume this is a "kneejerk reaction" I have. It's wholly possible to make a good deconstructionist game, it's just difficult, and most examples of said style of game aren't great at what they aim to do in that respect.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Heh, you know what? Bioshock 2 actually has more choices than Bioshock 1. Granted, they're all typical moral binary choices, but they're there.
honestly I remember very little of the plot prior to the twist, didn't really stick with me.
Some of the characters were good (eg. the guy in the opera house area), but most of the time I sort of felt along for the ride, plotwise, as opposed to actually involved in what was going on, but that's typical for FPS games.
I think it's hard to argue that Bioshock is satire.
Satire has tells, or is exaggerated. Bioshock...really isn't. Bee hands are weird, sure, but they're not much weirder than anything in other FPSes.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
You know why? If you told the top 10% of a high school's senior class to compromise on a project or fail the class, they'd frigging compromise. And that makes them more competent than the senators and representatives who let the sequester happen.
I don't even know why I'm angry at months-old politics right now. I just am.
there's nothing there that indicates to me that it was supposed to be a sendup of something else.
taking orders from people you know nothing about is, again, pretty standard for FPSes. Marathon picked that one apart years before Bioshock existed.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Minor Spoilers:
There's one point where a guy goes insane because [Spoilers], and before he goes insane, he leaves a message asking the PC to kill him. However, when you find the guy, he's willing to exile himself rather than die. That one's a bit more complicated than the typical moral binary fare.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Mind you, the bit where he said he'd exile himself was one line.
I don't recall that part either.
It's been awhile.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
The music at the end was rather good. Didn't really need to be a platformer though.
counterpoint: platforming is the shit
did you watch that vid already or do you know the game from elsewhere?
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Wow, bad typo on my part. Well, doesn't matter. Again, you don't play Bioshock 2 for the plot.
^ Played it yesterday.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
As for the plot, I'll say this. They could have done more with the collectivism theme.
do you think there are Pokemon equivalents of the self-righteous vegans you sometimes find on tumblr?
not like team plasma types just like people who go and blog about how wrong pokemon battling is.
Watch this gif while listening to this
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Also, there's a part where a black crooner-woman implicitly threatens to lynch the protagonist, which is a really bad decision by whoever was in charge of writing her part in the story.
I did like the audio recordings of Ryan in this version, I'll give them that.
but does he like
!@$" NO!
Yarrun, it's probably not healthy to care about politics in the first place.
Aliroz presumably lives in a dry county.
Palmerton was dry until a few decades ago. Now there are six liquor stores in town. Considering how small we are, that's a lot.
Oh, and imagine if I could filibuster and nobody could make
me stop ranting.