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  • edited 2013-01-27 18:48:26
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    blergh

    things like this make me feel guilty about the ABC Inc fantasies

    certainly doesn't help that Centie named the animation studio "Ctrl+Freak" (Louis Cypher, anyone)
  • edited 2013-01-27 18:56:54
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Why does that make you feel guilty about those?

    YouTube and the culture/industry there is really starting to creep me out though.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    So don't be evil
    Just be corporate
    Fool the whole world with your importance
    Portray your tedium for the world to see
    Your own movie star and it's for free
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    a8: Any particular reason?
  • edited 2013-01-27 19:04:02
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Well, the link Anonus posted, for starters.

    In general, the transformation of what was once a community of video bloggers posting home movies into a corporate battleground, with everything that entails, good and bad.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    This is why we can't have nice things.

    Down with capitalism
  • Up with Capitalism. It's the rich man's dictatorship. May Pepsi, NBC and Exxon rule with an iron fist, and oppress those with less money than them. They make the decisions, and the decisions they can't make, they pay for to make. MONEY IS RIGHTEOUS POWER
  • Did anyone really care about Youtube when it was just home videos though?

    I'd argue the corporatization is what actually made it relevant. Some might argue though.

    Unfortunately when the hobbyist work crosses streams with the corporate stuff is when problems arise. I've had several of my own songs taken down from Youtube.

  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    What's relevant?  Older YouTube makes me feel nostalgic, although i never vlogged myself.

    It was just another online community, once.
  • edited 2013-01-27 19:16:05
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    a8 said:

    Why does that make you feel guilty about those?

    YouTube and the culture/industry there is really starting to creep me out though.

    Well, ABC Inc, like most content behemoths, is more or less a middleman.

    A middleman with desires to rise above and beyond the norm (despite being a public company and, at least via ABC itself, catering to an audience that probably isn't very receptive to content that's too much outside of the norm) but a middleman nonetheless.

    Why were your songs taken down, Mojave? Sampling?
  • Anonus said:

    a8 said:

    Why does that make you feel guilty about those?

    YouTube and the culture/industry there is really starting to creep me out though.

    Well, ABC Inc, like most content behemoths, is more or less a middleman.

    A middleman with desires to rise above and beyond the norm (despite being a public company and, at least via ABC itself, catering to an audience that probably isn't very receptive to content that's too much outside of the norm) but a middleman nonetheless.

    Why were your songs taken down, Mojave? Sampling?



    Yep.

    I've gotten C&Ds from about a half dozen record labels actually. My favorite was from Roc-A-Fella.

    Had no choice but to comply and most of those songs sucked anyway, but still.

  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    copyright law
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Then how do they get away with sampling in commercial music? Licensing?
  • edited 2013-01-27 19:32:45
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    That's the only way they can get away with it.

    It wasn't always like this.  A lot of old school hip-hop records could never be made nowadays.
  • Anonus said:

    Then how do they get away with sampling in commercial music? Licensing?



    Yes.

    Generally a fraction of the sampling songs profit goes to the rights owners of the sampled song. That's with big companies. Indie musicians like myself are expected to pay a flat fee (which is always ridiculous. I was told to either remove my remix of Jay-Z's "The Takeover" or pay up $135,000 for the use of his vocals).

    I actually got two C&Ds from that remix. I also sampled Fast DJ Eddie's "Acid Thunder" and got a C&D from whatever dance music conglomerate owns his work now, I forget the name.

  • edited 2013-01-27 19:36:08
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    $135,000, that's more than you or I make in a year, the fuck

    I admit this has to do with ABC Inc more than anything, but the insane consolidation of the modern music industry bothers the everloving shit out of me

    Somebody needs to break up UMG
  • Anonus said:

    $135,000, that's more than you or I make in a year, the fuck

    that's total. It was broken up into about two dozen sub-fees. Including $400 to Jay-Z himself. Which just shows you how much musicians actually make out of their songs.

    I don't know how common that is, since none of the other C&Ds I've gotten have been that detailed.

    Incidentally bullshit like this is the reason there are only a very small few labels I'd ever even considering signing to.

  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    anarchy
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Sometimes I want to start some kind of media business but I worry that I'm too lazy to be a real businessperson (much less ever produce anything worthwhile) and that I'd be ripping off my employees. :/
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Ugh, I miss the days when being awake was a thing I could do.

    i.e., not today or yesterday.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    I admit, the only thing that a creator could really get from a middleman is exposure

    I'm surprised that something like that hasn't sprung up for webcomics, though the more famous ones (e.g. Penny Arcade, Homestuck) seem to be able to get to the big leagues on their own (not to mention their creators own them outright) they may be exceptions to the norm
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat

    Ugh, I miss the days when being awake was a thing I could do.


    i.e., not today or yesterday.
    I'm sorry, sweetie
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Anonus said:

    certainly doesn't help that Centie named the animation studio "Ctrl+Freak" (Louis Cypher, anyone)
    What if I told you it was just a silly pun and you're reading way too much into it?
  • You know what sucks?

    Even thinking about this stupid project I have to do is making me have trouble breathing.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i have wondered before how Homestuck and Problem Sleuth get away with the amount of appropriated/remixed content used.  It ought to qualify for fair use, but that hasn't stopped lawsuits in the past.  i can only assume MSPA is just more obscure/less relevant than i think of it as being.

    Penny Arcade i don't follow so closely, but i know they were forced to remove at least one strip (parodying Strawberry Shortcake).
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    ^^ That's very much not good.

    Does it feel like a panic attack?
  • Sort of like a small panic attack if that makes any sense.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat

    Anonus said:

    certainly doesn't help that Centie named the animation studio "Ctrl+Freak" (Louis Cypher, anyone)
    What if I told you it was just a silly pun and you're reading way too much into it?
    Well, I noticed the negative connotations only after ABC Inc officially implemented the name for the studio

    I had never heard of MSPA before TV Tropes
  • edited 2013-01-27 20:00:43
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    ^^ Take slow, complete breaths.  That's important.  Try to calm yourself down, if you can.

    Don't think about the project now, not if it's getting you like this.  It's not worth it.  Think of better things.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    ^^ Me neither, but now i see it mentioned all over the place.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Ugh, it's 8 o'clock already and I've done nothing but sleep

    Why does my body hate me >_<
  • a8 said:

    ^^ Take slow, complete breaths.  That's important.  Try to calm yourself down, if you can.

    Don't think about the project now, not if it's getting you like this.  It's not worth it.  Think of better things.

    Problem: Part of the project is due tomorrow.

    Not a huge part, admittedly, but my generally anxious personality and resentment towards my teacher aren't helping things.
  • Ugh, it's 8 o'clock already and I've done nothing but sleep

    Why does my body hate me >_<



    that's sort of an issue if you've literally been asleep all day

    maybe you should see someone about it?

  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Small enough that you think you can manage it, perhaps?  If it's manageable, that's good.

    But if it's affecting your breathing your own wellbeing is more important.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Happiness is not throwing up in a restaurant.

    I was not happy tonight.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    ^ :(

    *hugs*

    How are feeling now?
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Also, CA, i agree with Mojave.  You have narcolepsy, right?  So this is almost certainly related.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    I haven't been asleep continuously, if that's what you mean, but I can't stay awake for more than 40 minutes or so, it seems

    This happens from time to time...yesterday was the same way

    I'm not tired at all but my body wants to fall asleep, if that makes sense
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Better. I was really, really hungry, so I ate a few sandwiches and now my stomach just hurts, rather than feels like it's going to throw up food into my mouth.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    I haven't been diagnosed with narcolepsy but it runs in my family
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    I hope the place doesn't suffer from it. It wasn't a very good place to eat, but I always feel like small businesses should be able to keep going.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    No one is happy tonight
  • Not a hybrid rabbit-skink spirit
    I am!
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    I stand corrected
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    @ Odradek: Sounds like maybe you have a bug.

    @ CA: It does make sense; actually, that sounds like a surprisingly familiar feeling.  But if you can't stay awake for more than 40 minutes that's really quite bad and you should definitely see someone about it.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i am so-so i guess. Can't complain.
  • Not a hybrid rabbit-skink spirit
    damn right you stand corrected
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