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  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Is it bad that the made-up pronounces like "ze" and "zir" irritate me?

    English already has a perfectly fine gender-neutral pronoun. It's called singular "they". USE IT.
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    Is it bad that the made-up pronounces like "ze" and "zir" irritate me?


    English already has a perfectly fine gender-neutral pronoun. It's called singular "they". USE IT.
    No, it is not bad that it irritates you

    it means you have a low tolerance for stupid fucking bullshit
  • Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.
    Wouldn't you know it, this universal zipper repair kit doesn't have the zipper size I need. 
  • Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.
    Anyone know if like a fabric shop or whatever will have replacement zippers
  • edited 2012-12-15 00:14:39
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    Singular 'they' traditionally denotes an unknown person.  Standard English has no gender neutral pronoun to describe a known individual.

    And unfortunately, singular 'they' has fallen victim to the same bullshit that befell the split infinitive and the double negative, which is to say there are people who will assume you are uneducated for using it.

    ^ Sewing shops should have them.

    If it's not urgent you could also ask at dry cleaners, as some of them offer repair services.
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    I've never liked singular 'they' although I use it anyway.

    Like a8 sez, there's not much of an alternative.
  • Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.
    a8 said:


    ^ Sewing shops should have them.

    If it's not urgent you could also ask at dry cleaners, as some of them offer repair services.

    Hmmm okay

    I'll check tomorrow

    This is bothersome
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    a8 said:

    Singular 'they' traditionally denotes an unknown person.  Standard English has no gender neutral pronoun to describe a known individual.

    And unfortunately, singular 'they' has fallen victim to the same bullshit that befell the split infinitive and the double negative, which is to say there are people who will assume you are uneducated for using it.

    I know this all too well. But it seems the more sensible solution to me than to try to invent words that would basically serve the same purpose.
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    I'd think that this whole ze/zhe/xi/etc bullshit will never make it off the internet. 
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    I think that having neutral pronouns could be useful, but unfortunately it does seem unlikely to catch on anytime soon.

    So people will just continue to use 'they'.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    My position is that requesting a non-standard pronoun is pretty harmless and I'm willing to respect the feelings of anyone who prefers to be referred to as such.  So long as they don't expect me to adopt the words for general use, I don't have any quarrel with them.

    The preponderance of proposed pronouns with 'x's and 'z's in them strikes me as a bit silly, but I suspect that's a self-perpetuating trend.
  • Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.
    Seems to me the only people who would want to be called by a gender-neutral equivalent of "he" or "she" are more concerned about standing out than an actual rejection of gender, no matter how they try to justify it
  • raocow is funny
  • edited 2012-12-15 00:33:52
    You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    ^^^ Oh, if someone requests a particular pronoun, then by all means I'll use it. It would be hypocritical of me to do otherwise.

    But I'm certainly not going to join the seemingly growing number of bloggers who use them by default when referring to someone whose pronoun preference hasn't been explicitly stated.
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  • Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.

    ^^^ Oh, if someone requests a particular pronoun, then by all means I'll use it. It would be hypocritical of me to do otherwise.


    But I'm certainly not going to join the seemingly growing number of bloggers who use them by default when referring to someone whose pronoun preference hasn't been explicitly stated.
    I don't see how it'd be hypocritical of you at all. It seems to me that these folks are motivated solely by whimsy which has nothing in common with GID. 
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    I try not to make assumptions when all I have to go on is a gender neutral Internet username, but I do default to male/female pronouns if I'm going by a name or appearance that's gendered.  If a person appears to be making an effort to defy gender roles I'm more cautious.

    I don't think there's anything whimsical or unreasonable about wanting to avoid gendered pronouns if gender is a painful subject, but if so I'd prefer to be given a warning, rather than ranted at for getting it wrong.
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    Tre said:

    raocow is funny

    yes
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    If I'm judging based on a name or appearance that appears to be gendered, I tend to fall back on "standard" he/she pronouns.

    If the gender is unspecified, I'll default to singular they. In fact, I try very hard not to default to "he" in such cases--for example, if discussing an unknown thief I'll say "they got away with all the rupees" instead of "he got away with all the rupees".

    If, as Fouria noted, I get the impression that someone is trying to defy gender roles, I'll kinda just tiptoe around pronouns altogether as much as I can, because I'm too shy to outright ask what someone prefers.
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  • Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.
    As an aside, "zhe" is one of the more difficult sounds in the Chinese language for the english speaker to learn when it comes to speaking and hearing because it sounds so similar to jia/xia/chia/zia, and it's just an damn odd combination of two consonants and a vowel. I think it's a safe bet that this will never, ever catch on in the English language for anything, much less as a gender-neutral replacement. 
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    zh in french and zhe in Chinese are two wildly different things
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    Cream said:

    Oh. >_> Chinese romanization kind of confuses me, sometimes. Romajii is much easier.

    You're thinking of Japanese. There is no "romanization" or Romaji in Chinese, the conversion is known as pinyin and it's highly dependent on tone and inflection. A downward tone "zhe" is different from a mid-tone "zhe" and as well different to a high-toned "zhe."
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    language is weird, let's talk in maths
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
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  • edited 2012-12-15 01:15:05
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    quadratic formula

    I thought I'd never see you again, you bastard
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    one of my homework problems

    image
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    better you than me
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    I'm done with calculus from here on out

    I have linear algebra and advanced geometry left and then my minor in Mathematics is complete
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    It's not. Chinese is dead simple to learn, especially compared to Japanese.  For instance, they use damn near the same structure we do when it comes to a sentence.

    我觉得看电视也没有意思。

    [wo]   [juede]   [kan]           [dianshi]      [ye]        [meiyouyisi]

    [I]     [think]      [watching]    [tv]           [very]  [not interesting]

    (I think watching TV isn't very interesting.)


    Japanese, in comparison, is kind of like how Yoda speaks. 
  • I find the "Fake Nerd Girl" thing kinda amusing because it's built around this idea that girls want nerdy guys.


    I mean, are any girls really gonna be attracted to the kind of asshole who goes on about "YOU MUST BE A REAL NERD" in the first place?
    I have known actual nerdy females in the past. I even dated one once. She got the "stop being such a FAKE NERD WHORE" thing about thirty times a day. This is a woman who once suggested I dress up as Kyon so she could dress up as Haruhi for a date. In public. If that is "faking" nerd-ery, I'm not even sure that nerds exist.

    there are some aspects of this whole "geek girl" thing going that I do think are annoying as fuck


    pic related

    image



    I wonder what Ms. Ada would think of modern programming?
    a8 said:

    I don't regard being a nerd as a particularly good thing.  It's a pejorative, but not everything it denotes is something to be ashamed of.

    Everyone has a different definition of the word these days anyway. Honestly the only thing I'm really into enough to be "nerdy for" is probably rap music. And maybe Touhou. Maybe.
    a8 said:

    I'm not sure I ever made it out of that stage.

    I want to be honest about what I am, without defining myself according to shallow labels.

    I think labels are useful for presenting yourself to other people, since communicating without using them at all can be a bit hard.
  • Cream said:

    Will Dr. Dre ever live down the reputation of his headphones?



    Dr. Dre is one of the most legendary hip-hop producers of all time, so I certainly hope so.

  • Is it bad that the made-up pronounces like "ze" and "zir" irritate me?


    English already has a perfectly fine gender-neutral pronoun. It's called singular "they". USE IT.



    I like ze as a random word to tack onto the end of sentences, ze.

    But not as a madeup pronoun, ze.

  • edited 2012-12-15 01:36:17
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  • Hey guys...
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Hi Tools.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Hi Tools.
  • edited 2012-12-15 01:57:03
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    I think labels are useful for presenting yourself to other people, since communicating without using them at all can be a bit hard.


    I agree.

    It's identifying with them in my head that I'm not always sure about, if that makes any sense.

    (And further to that, acting accordingly, I guess)
  • I'm thinking of inviting my girlfriend over to here. Is that okay?
  • edited 2012-12-15 01:55:48
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  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    ^^Yes.
  • a8 said:

    I agree.

    It's identifying with them in my head that I'm not always sure about, if that makes any sense.

    (And further to that, acting accordingly, I guess)



    I see.

    Also, Dido is making a comeback apparently.

    I did not forsee this.


  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    fish in a tuba



    good night everyone
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Good night Imi.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Night Imi.
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