The Trash Heap of the Heapers' Hangout

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  • The sadness will last forever.
    HOSTESS IS GONNA SHUT DOWN

    NOOOOOO
  • ...uh, well. Hey there, guys.

    I'm in Wilmington. My brother won 2 soccer games. :)
  • Uh, Forsythe, I can understand why you're mad now, but what provoked your fiery outburst before that? The suggestion that not all CEOs are honest people who want the best for their company and the people they employ?
  • edited 2012-11-17 16:56:46
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    I get where you're coming from Forsythe.



    But it seems to me that CEOs nowadays don't really care about the long term viability of the companies they run. They just rack up bonuses and short term profit for the complany unsustainably then amscray with nifty retirement packages while leaving the company and the workers to flounder.


    It's not a matter of "being able to enjoy the fruit's of their labor", and I'm not saying that unions don't have problems, but that what companies need is leadership that's really invested in the long-term success of the company.
    I don't think that's the case here, though. It appears to be a case of unions shooting themselves in the foot because in the process of give-and-take, unions never understand the process of "give" even when the possibility of losing their job is at stake. They pushed so hard that the people running the company found it better to stop pushing back and let them go over the brink.

    And as for the CEO giving himself a 300% increase in pay, I'll step back from defending him doing so if it can be proven that 300% could have satiated the union's entire demands. Somehow I doubt that's the case, though. 
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    ^^That's good.

    YCSTA, they're already gone. 18,500 people are now out of work and yet people care more about the (probably temporary) disappearance of junk food brands than that.

    (though I'm not entirely guiltless, I hope whoever buys the Hostess brands brings back their chocolate covered donuts)
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    Kexruct said:

    Uh, Forsythe, I can understand why you're mad now, but what provoked your fiery outburst before that? The suggestion that not all CEOs are honest people who want the best for their company and the people they employ?

    I'm not angry, I'm just not a pushover in regards to bullshit being tossed around as uassailable fact. I also never offered the suggestion that CEOs are honest people or that they're looking out for the best interests of their workers.  What I did say is that unions are organized thugs motivated by their own self-interest and nepotism at the cost of everyone else -- which, for instance, is why we have dock workers whose entire job is to kick boxes around and they get paid $40 an hour for it. 
  • Evening..
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Hi Tools.
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    Hello tools
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    btw Anonus did you get the URL of the song collection I posted
  • Kexruct said:

    Uh, Forsythe, I can understand why you're mad now, but what provoked your fiery outburst before that? The suggestion that not all CEOs are honest people who want the best for their company and the people they employ?

    I'm not angry, I'm just not a pushover in regards to bullshit being tossed around as uassailable fact. I also never offered the suggestion that CEOs are honest people or that they're looking out for the best interests of their workers.  What I did say is that unions are organized thugs motivated by their own self-interest and nepotism at the cost of everyone else -- which, for instance, is why we have dock workers whose entire job is to kick boxes around and they get paid $40 an hour for it. 
    But you ignore similar behaviors in CEOs!
  • Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast
    Btw forstyhe

    I never said you didn't earn that money

    I just said that you got paid with fruits of other people's labours and considered your position to be extremely hypocritical.
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    Kexruct said:

    Kexruct said:

    Uh, Forsythe, I can understand why you're mad now, but what provoked your fiery outburst before that? The suggestion that not all CEOs are honest people who want the best for their company and the people they employ?

    I'm not angry, I'm just not a pushover in regards to bullshit being tossed around as uassailable fact. I also never offered the suggestion that CEOs are honest people or that they're looking out for the best interests of their workers.  What I did say is that unions are organized thugs motivated by their own self-interest and nepotism at the cost of everyone else -- which, for instance, is why we have dock workers whose entire job is to kick boxes around and they get paid $40 an hour for it. 
    But you ignore similar behaviors in CEOs!
    CEOs are the ones providing the jobs. If these workers think this CEO is a fucking asshole for giving himself a raise, or instance,  they can go find work elsewhere.  If they go find work elsewhere, the CEO has nobody to work for him. If the CEO has nobody to work for him, he can't generate a profit.  That's the beauty of free enterprise. Strongarming him by being thugs is not the way to fix this problem. 

    Over in North Korea, this exact same thing is going on with people exploiting the people beneath themselves to benefit themselves. The thing is, those people underneath them have no say in the matter and have no other choice. They can't quit and find a better job. 
  • edited 2012-11-17 17:15:32
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    I just said that you got paid with fruits of other people's labours and considered your position to be extremely hypocritical.
    Fine, prove it

    Show me that my service to the country totally benefits only me (thus proving my hypocrisy) and I or any other typical troop who finished an honorable enlistment did absolutely nothing and gave absolutely nothing for any of this. 

    And I'm going to hold you to this, too.  I'll wait as long as you need to prove this. Take your time. 
  • Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast
    CEOs are the ones providing the jobs. If these workers think this CEO is
    a fucking asshole for giving himself a raise, or instance,  they can go
    find work elsewhere.
    What if they wanted to save the company?

    Also Forsythe, you haven't asked me why I'm pissed off with the CEO of this company.
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    Also Forsythe, you haven't asked me why I'm pissed off with the CEO of this company.

    And I'm not going to. I wouldn't want to burden you with the ravings of someone who's clearly mad, you see.
  • Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast



    I just said that you got paid with fruits of other people's labours and considered your position to be extremely hypocritical.
    Fine, prove it

    Show me that my service to the country totally benefits only me (thus proving my hypocrisy) and I or any other typical troop who finished an honorable enlistment did absolutely nothing and gave absolutely nothing for any of this.
    Again, not saying you didn't earn it but the US military is paid for by the Federal tax system is it not?

    And the Federal tax system only gets its money through income and asset taxes which require people to work right?

    So therefore the US military can not exist without the fruits of other peoples labours.


    And I'm going to hold you to this, too.  I'll wait as long as you need to prove this. Take your time. 
    Okay
  • Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast


    Also Forsythe, you haven't asked me why I'm pissed off with the CEO of this company.

    And I'm not going to. I wouldn't want to burden you with the ravings of someone who's clearly mad, you see.
    Your loss.
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    <mod hat on>

    Okay, guys, time out. Can we take the CEO discussion to another thread or PMs, please? Also, the tone is getting real close to becoming personal, which I'm not sure I like. 

    <mod hat off>
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    Again, not saying you didn't earn it
    I just said that you got paid with fruits of other people's labours and considered your position to be extremely hypocritical.
  • Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast
    Your point?
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    lee4hmz said:

    <mod hat on>


    Okay, guys, time out. Can we take the CEO discussion to another thread or PMs, please? Also, the tone is getting real close to becoming personal, which I'm not sure I like. 

    <mod hat off>
    very well
  • Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    It sounds almost like it could be a religious tract of some sort. It's definitely not textbook-caliber material.
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    Anyway, I have to get going. My parents could not get to Granny's car because of whacky shenanigans, so I have to drive to Manassas to meet them for dinner.
  • The sadness will last forever.
    twinkies

    ;________;
  • ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Yes, twinkies are dead and gone, along with Borders and Encyclopedia Brittannica.

    Why?
  • Twinkies sucked ass.


    Just saying.
  • ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Twinkies did not have mouths or any means of self-propulsion.

    Just saying.
  • I think I'm coming down with something.


    Bluh.
  • edited 2012-11-17 18:10:58
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Twinkies and their siblings will be back within a year, methinks

    Also I know this is off-point but I can't believe how hideous Twinkies's packaging is, I know it's consumer product packaging but damn
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    Twinkies sucked ass.



    Just saying.

  • Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.
    Also, I just ran into a Marine, a corporal no less, in his dress blues.  This, of course, just made my fucking day
  • op

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    hi everyone.

    Seminar today was very

    seminary.

  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    hi lazuli

    was it boring
  • Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.
    MEANWHILE ON THE NEWS

    image

    looks like business as usual with the Marines
  • Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.
    "ummmm..... lmao." really doesn't sound convincingly like you're actually laughing your ass off
  • "ummmm..... lmao." really doesn't sound convincingly like you're actually laughing your ass off

    Check your laughing privilege.
  • Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.
    COLUMBUS, OH - Leaders of the Unity Church of God were recently surprised after one of the many care packages they have sent to anonymous service members overseas was returned with all of its original contents — but had an additional note inside from the soldier who had received it.

    The note read: “Thank you for the kind gesture. Unfortunately, I have no need for any of this stuff. Please send porn and beer.”
  • You know what I just realized?

    All those years of Dexter's Lab being invaded by D.D. and he never figured out a secure password lock for it.
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    Yeah, and you'd think a super genius like him would be able to figure out how to make a simple combination lock.
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    Tre said:

    You know what I just realized?

    All those years of Dexter's Lab being invaded by D.D. and he never figured out a secure password lock for it.

    well she wouldn't be much of a foil if he did
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Stop everything guys someone on the internet has an everything theory of everything http://blog.aaronhaspel.com/alpha-theory
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    I'd think that's kind of like how everyone thinks that they should just let that poor fucking Trix rabbit have a bowl of that cereal, but that'd ruin the premise of the Trix commercials and gimmick
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    Odradek said:

    Stop everything guys someone on the internet has an everything theory of everything http://blog.aaronhaspel.com/alpha-theory

    you excel at finding these loons do you know that
  • Tre said:

    You know what I just realized?

    All those years of Dexter's Lab being invaded by D.D. and he never figured out a secure password lock for it.

    well she wouldn't be much of a foil if he did
    Which is exactly the reason why he never figured it out.

    There wouldn't be much of a show otherwise, lest Dee Dee decided to try to go the "tell on her brother" route, and we all know what that's like.
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    Heh, I was at LensCrafters with my mom just now, while she was getting her glasses adjusted, and I noticed they have a whole wall of "COOL KID" glasses frames. Sadly, none of them were sunglasses.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Which reminds me: Why didn't Dexter want his parents to know about his lab? It's not like he's doing anything illegal, he's just advancing science.
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    I've got my own homemade pizza sauce simmering on the stove, I wonder if it's the soil and climate that impart the really unique (and delicious) smell emanating from them. 

    What's sad is that's all my tomatoes from the harvest on the stove, there. 
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