I can't keep up with this stuff anymore. The only tumblogs I ever visit are the ones people post comics and such on, so I'm not up with the hip lingo these folks use.
I am going to go take out the trash at four in the morning before my blood pressure starts rising.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
One thing that irritates me to no end is when bloggers use "white" as an insult.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
The tumblr model of blogging bothers me a bit because it's entirely too easy for things to be quoted and read out of context.
Sometimes people just need to vent without getting inundated with "But not all white people- !" type comments.
Agreed.
I like that Tumblr manages to combine blogging and social networking into unique sort of format, but at the same time it becomes a pain whenever you want to have an actual discussion instead of sharing fandom gifs.
I have decided that I am going to go shopping tomorrow and come home with a fucking rainbow of sodas to put in my fridge. Obviously there will be cola, but there will also be lemon-lime, orange, cherry, grape, razz, grapefruit, lemonade, and fruit punch. No way am I going to totally forget about this and not do it, nope.
The tumblr model of blogging bothers me a bit because it's entirely too easy for things to be quoted and read out of context.
Sometimes people just need to vent without getting inundated with "But not all white people- !" type comments.
Venting is what forums are for. Even then, nothing online is ever going to be totally ironclad.
I don't subscribe to the Something Awful methodology of "well it's on the internet so we can make fun of you for it", but if you're being racist and it's in an easily visible place, you're going to get slammed by somebody regardless of whether or not you "mean it".
Is there really such a big categorical difference between social networking/blog sites and (public) forums? Both host discussions and allow people to express opinions.
And no, I'm not saying it's OK to be racist so long as you don't "mean it", obviously. Racism is never acceptable.
Well, I find it hard to believe that anything that can be responded to in a meaningful way with "not all [x] people [y]" isn't something-ist.
But anyway, there is in that news does not travel very fast from one forum to another, or even within one, if it's not a large forum.
I think most people venting here feel pretty safe even if someone could hypothetically come in at any time. Social Networking sites pretty much never have that barrier unless it's something hopelessly outdated like Friendster.
But anyway, there is in that news does not travel very fast from one forum to another, or even within one, if it's not a large forum.
I think most people venting here feel pretty safe even if someone could hypothetically come in at any time. Social Networking sites pretty much never have that barrier unless it's something hopelessly outdated like Friendster.
True, although that feeling of security is basically an illusion.
Well, I find it hard to believe that anything that can be responded to in a meaningful way with "not all [x] people [y]" isn't something-ist.
A lot of these blogs were originally intended, at least in part, to be a place where people could vent about things, not a serious attempt at discussion. Everybody knows that not all white people are actively racist, and it's also false to suppose that a white person who isn't actively racist can never do anything wrong (and that it hurts my feelings when you criticize allies, do you want to lose our support?).
I suppose I'm also making a distinction along the lines of privilege here, so we aren't likely to come to an agreement on this.
I should probably also clarify that I'm not defending memes like "DIE CIS SCUM" which are intentionally provocative.
No it's not, but there's a difference between saying "a guy {who happened to be [x]} did [y]" and "I hate it when [x] does [y]!" The latter is implying that you think [x] does [y] all the time. The former would probably not even mention the [x] at all.
I never even implied that non-racist people can't do things wrong, and I am not honestly sure where you got that from.
No it's not, but there's a difference between saying "a guy {who happened to be [x]} did [y]" and "I hate it when [x] does [y]!" The latter is implying that you think [x] does [y] all the time. The former would probably not even mention the [x] at all.
I never even implied that non-racist people can't do things wrong, and I am not honestly sure where you got that from.
Look, I don't mean to cause offence, but that's exactly what I'm talking about. I don't think it's reasonable to expect people to watch their every wording in case it causes offence to the poor, oppressed majority, irrespective of the context in which they are speaking.
Look, I don't mean to cause offence, but that's exactly what I'm talking about. I don't think it's reasonable to expect people to watch their every wording in case it causes offence to the poor, oppressed majority, irrespective of the context in which they are speaking.
I don't even know what you're referring to.
As far as I knew, the [x] here was not specifically white. What are we talking about? Some specific blog? Because I don't read SJ blogs. I assumed we were talking in general.
And honestly? I don't really think it's unreasonable. It's not hard to prevent yourself from being misunderstood, and saying anyone should be exempt from that effort is kind of insulting to that person.
By the way it's frankly hilarious that you're claiming to not defend stuff like "DIE CIS SCUM" because it's intentionally provacotive, and then defending (I assume, anyway, given how vague you're being) stuff like #shitwhitepeoplesay, which is *also* intentionally provocative in *the exact same way*.
I'm not trying to be vague. You're the one who decided to introduce a general [x], as though context doesn't matter and all possible [x]s are equivalent. I outright referenced LGBT allies and "not all white people".
So yes, #shitwhitepeoplesay is a part of what I'm talking about, although I can't say I'm thrilled that it's been converted into a kind of buzzword/tag that can be slapped onto a post. Again, a problem with the tumblr model. Everything gets quoted and reblogged and turned into a tag or a meme which can then be applied without any thought whatsoever.
But I'm glad you find this hilarious. I can't say I'm particularly amused by how every time the two of us discuss anything along these lines you end up insinuating that I'm in some way a bigot.
All I'm trying to do is make a distinction between letting off steam, which I think everyone should be perfectly entitled to do when on the receiving end of something as infuriating and hurtful as prejudice, and making a careful argument for other people to read. Not everything is purposefully written for a white, straight, male audience. That's all.
Not everything is purposefully written for anyone.
I am saying, that if you are misunderstood, explain, instead of going "but it wasn't written for you, so I don't have to explain it". Which, most of the time, is not even said by the people who made the original post anyway.
I am not implying you're a bigot. You are implying I'm a bigot, which is pretty damn hurtful on its own.
Oh, but I'm not allowed to complain about that, because I'm (mostly) white, (not) straight, and (not) cisgendered, right?
I love how people just up and forget when it's convenient that I AM A FUCKING BISEXUAL TOO. I just don't talk about it all the time because I have enough stuff I regularly complain about and don't feel the need to swamp everyone with it. And also because I know there are some people I am friends with who would do the whole knight-in-shining armor bit and decide that something was offensive on my behalf.
If I actually had some issue that related directly to my bisexuality that I needed to vent about, I'd go to one of my friends about it. Not post about it on some dumb fucking blog for the world to see.
God, I don't mean to explode but this is exactly what I'm talking about. Everyone gets offended for the sake of everyone else. I don't know the motivation, honestly--it's probably different for everyone--but it's annoying as hell to see these people go "but I have LGBT friends and they wouldn't appreciate your jooooooooooooooke!" every damn time some movie that I'm never going to see has a joke about how all bisexuals are promiscuous. Yes, stereotyping is annoying. Am I going to be mortally wounded because it happened? No. Is your whining at all going to help in any way, shape or form? No. So please do not white-knight on my behalf. Because I don't want you to. I don't want anyone to. I'm not even sure who I'm talking to at this point.
It's seriously annoying to be put in a box because I also like guys sometimes. And I think there is a lack of understanding that being labeled by Hollywood and being labeled by Tumblr are equally annoying, the latter might even be more so for me personally just because I'm on the internet so much.
And I'll get labeled for being white, too. Sure, if you like rap music and you're white you're either a hipster or a wigga (the latter is racist to black people too, I should note). Or your co-opting "black culture (that itself is racist for implying a form of pop music is somehow a deep expression of African Heritage by necessity, which is just silly). But no one cares about that, because that's a majority and therefore apparently, not worth talking about. Ever.
We're not even going to get into the bizarre issues I have with my gender identity, because it's just not worth talking about to me anymore.
Ugh. I'm sorry. But it's really, really frustrating.
edit: and you've left. My timing is awesome as always.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
Look, I don't mean to cause offence, but that's exactly what I'm talking about. I don't think it's reasonable to expect people to watch their every wording in case it causes offence to the poor, oppressed majority, irrespective of the context in which they are speaking.
To clarify what I was saying earlier: this kind of blanket statement isn't what I was referring to when I mentioned "white" being used as an insult.
I'm referring to the tendency to literally uses terms like "white" (or "cis") as a pejorative--for example, I've seen at least a couple bloggers use "whiteness" to refer to obvious acts of racism. I feel like it undermines the fact that, you know, a lot of white people do recognize the inequalities in our society and try their best not to be oppressive.
*shrug* I can't articulate this very well; I hope my point still came across...
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
You inadvertently reminded me: Today (11 October) is a year to the day that I came out to my family.
It's strange. It doesn't seem like it's been that long...
I used to fear my mother would disown me if I ever came out, but I lately just think she'd be extremely disappointed in me. And also that it'd just be more trouble than it's worth.
We seem to be split into two camps here: Those who read posts and see things that aren't there, and those who flip out due to the others seeing things that aren't there.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
I was worried my mother would react negatively because she's said in the past that she doesn't "get" transgenderism. She doesn't understand how a male person could feel like a woman, since they were never female and as such "don't know what being a woman feels like."
She's been pretty supportive, though...even if I still can't get anyone to use female pronouns...*rolls eyes*
I was worried my mother would react negatively because she's said in the past that she doesn't "get" transgenderism. She doesn't understand how a male person could feel like a woman, since they were never female and as such "don't know what being a woman feels like."
She's been pretty supportive, though...even if I still can't get anyone to use female pronouns...*rolls eyes*
In their defense, it's probably more of a not getting used to the apparent change thing rather than them doing it deliberately.
I'm not sure if that makes it better or worse, though.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
In their defense, it's probably more of a not getting used to the apparent change thing rather than them doing it deliberately.
I'm not sure if that makes it better or worse, though.
That's what I figured. I can't really find it in myself to get angry at them for it, frustrating as it is to me, because I can tell that from their point of view the only thing they see different is that I call myself a woman...
In their defense, it's probably more of a not getting used to the apparent change thing rather than them doing it deliberately.
I'm not sure if that makes it better or worse, though.
That's what I figured. I can't really find it in myself to get angry at them for it, frustrating as it is to me, because I can tell that from their point of view the only thing they see different is that I call myself a woman...
I guess some people don't understand.
My mother still refers to one of her coworkers (who went and got a sex change operation and everything) as "he". She's apparently not offended by it, but I don't know her that well, so I have no idea.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
Oh come on, you couldn't be bothered to shell out for a permanent installation?
The only way this makes sense is if the ramp metering is meant to be a trial period or something
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I don't see much discrepancy between that and the whole SJ thing in general.
are you a doggy
I suppose it is.
I can't keep up with this stuff anymore. The only tumblogs I ever visit are the ones people post comics and such on, so I'm not up with the hip lingo these folks use.
I am going to go take out the trash at four in the morning before my blood pressure starts rising.
Sometimes people just need to vent without getting inundated with "But not all white people- !" type comments.
nothing else
I like that Tumblr manages to combine blogging and social networking into unique sort of format, but at the same time it becomes a pain whenever you want to have an actual discussion instead of sharing fandom gifs.
Venting is what forums are for. Even then, nothing online is ever going to be totally ironclad.
I don't subscribe to the Something Awful methodology of "well it's on the internet so we can make fun of you for it", but if you're being racist and it's in an easily visible place, you're going to get slammed by somebody regardless of whether or not you "mean it".
And no, I'm not saying it's OK to be racist so long as you don't "mean it", obviously. Racism is never acceptable.
Well, I find it hard to believe that anything that can be responded to in a meaningful way with "not all [x] people [y]" isn't something-ist.
But anyway, there is in that news does not travel very fast from one forum to another, or even within one, if it's not a large forum.
I think most people venting here feel pretty safe even if someone could hypothetically come in at any time. Social Networking sites pretty much never have that barrier unless it's something hopelessly outdated like Friendster.
I suppose I'm also making a distinction along the lines of privilege here, so we aren't likely to come to an agreement on this.
I should probably also clarify that I'm not defending memes like "DIE CIS SCUM" which are intentionally provocative.
No it's not, but there's a difference between saying "a guy {who happened to be [x]} did [y]" and "I hate it when [x] does [y]!" The latter is implying that you think [x] does [y] all the time. The former would probably not even mention the [x] at all.
I never even implied that non-racist people can't do things wrong, and I am not honestly sure where you got that from.
I'm kind of sick of the word "privilege", mostly for that exact reason.
Makes me want to find synonyms.
I don't even know what you're referring to.
As far as I knew, the [x] here was not specifically white. What are we talking about? Some specific blog? Because I don't read SJ blogs. I assumed we were talking in general.
And honestly? I don't really think it's unreasonable. It's not hard to prevent yourself from being misunderstood, and saying anyone should be exempt from that effort is kind of insulting to that person.
By the way it's frankly hilarious that you're claiming to not defend stuff like "DIE CIS SCUM" because it's intentionally provacotive, and then defending (I assume, anyway, given how vague you're being) stuff like #shitwhitepeoplesay, which is *also* intentionally provocative in *the exact same way*.
So yes, #shitwhitepeoplesay is a part of what I'm talking about, although I can't say I'm thrilled that it's been converted into a kind of buzzword/tag that can be slapped onto a post. Again, a problem with the tumblr model. Everything gets quoted and reblogged and turned into a tag or a meme which can then be applied without any thought whatsoever.
But I'm glad you find this hilarious. I can't say I'm particularly amused by how every time the two of us discuss anything along these lines you end up insinuating that I'm in some way a bigot.
All I'm trying to do is make a distinction between letting off steam, which I think everyone should be perfectly entitled to do when on the receiving end of something as infuriating and hurtful as prejudice, and making a careful argument for other people to read. Not everything is purposefully written for a white, straight, male audience. That's all.
Not everything is purposefully written for anyone.
I am saying, that if you are misunderstood, explain, instead of going "but it wasn't written for you, so I don't have to explain it". Which, most of the time, is not even said by the people who made the original post anyway.
I am not implying you're a bigot. You are implying I'm a bigot, which is pretty damn hurtful on its own.
Oh, but I'm not allowed to complain about that, because I'm (mostly) white, (not) straight, and (not) cisgendered, right?
I love how people just up and forget when it's convenient that I AM A FUCKING BISEXUAL TOO. I just don't talk about it all the time because I have enough stuff I regularly complain about and don't feel the need to swamp everyone with it. And also because I know there are some people I am friends with who would do the whole knight-in-shining armor bit and decide that something was offensive on my behalf.
If I actually had some issue that related directly to my bisexuality that I needed to vent about, I'd go to one of my friends about it. Not post about it on some dumb fucking blog for the world to see.
God, I don't mean to explode but this is exactly what I'm talking about. Everyone gets offended for the sake of everyone else. I don't know the motivation, honestly--it's probably different for everyone--but it's annoying as hell to see these people go "but I have LGBT friends and they wouldn't appreciate your jooooooooooooooke!" every damn time some movie that I'm never going to see has a joke about how all bisexuals are promiscuous. Yes, stereotyping is annoying. Am I going to be mortally wounded because it happened? No. Is your whining at all going to help in any way, shape or form? No. So please do not white-knight on my behalf. Because I don't want you to. I don't want anyone to. I'm not even sure who I'm talking to at this point.
It's seriously annoying to be put in a box because I also like guys sometimes. And I think there is a lack of understanding that being labeled by Hollywood and being labeled by Tumblr are equally annoying, the latter might even be more so for me personally just because I'm on the internet so much.
And I'll get labeled for being white, too. Sure, if you like rap music and you're white you're either a hipster or a wigga (the latter is racist to black people too, I should note). Or your co-opting "black culture (that itself is racist for implying a form of pop music is somehow a deep expression of African Heritage by necessity, which is just silly). But no one cares about that, because that's a majority and therefore apparently, not worth talking about. Ever.
We're not even going to get into the bizarre issues I have with my gender identity, because it's just not worth talking about to me anymore.
Ugh. I'm sorry. But it's really, really frustrating.
edit: and you've left. My timing is awesome as always.
so
in other news.
I'm just kind of pissed off that I'm somehow an evil oppressor despite being unable to come out of the closet out of fear for my life.
Living in Redneckville isn't fun.
Ugh.
I am trying to listen to Autobahn to cheer up.
In their defense, it's probably more of a not getting used to the apparent change thing rather than them doing it deliberately.
I'm not sure if that makes it better or worse, though.
I guess some people don't understand.
My mother still refers to one of her coworkers (who went and got a sex change operation and everything) as "he". She's apparently not offended by it, but I don't know her that well, so I have no idea.
Very well then.why is that song popular
srsly
it's not even memorably bad
it's just bad
Because when you take its verses and pair it up with the chorus from "Somebody I Used To Know" it's actually really good.
No seriously, look up "Do Not Push" on Youtube.