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  • edited 2012-06-13 20:35:43
    READ MY CROSS SHIPPING-FANFICTION, DAMMIT!

    i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
    Is there like some sort of understood rules for when to use a trigger warning? "PTSD" can be over many things, and one of the main problems I have with this idea prefixing something with a trigger warning is I'm not sure if there's a good rule of thumb outside everyone's personal opinion of what warrants a trigger warning for when to apply them.


    And that's sort of the opposite of a "rule of thumb".
  • "die cis scum"

    Wait, what?

  • Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.
    Well, I'm no doctor or any kind of psychological expert but I've seen on two separate occasions of my fellows in the military getting "triggered" (as they put it) and the results of that. I'm not even sure what the catalyst was for either, but both times the problems were not alleviated by typing "hugs" escorted by asterisks over a message board with resulting conversation of how certain people are just jerks. Both times involved police intervention and mandatory counseling that lasted for quite a long time, and the latter ended in divorce. Like I said, this is completely anecdotal, but you'll have to excuse me whenever I have my doubts about people liveblogging an "episode" because of something they read on the internet. 
  • Is there like some sort of understood rules for when to use a trigger warning? "PTSD" can be over many things, and one of the main problems I have with this idea prefixing something with a trigger warning is I'm not sure if there's a good rule of thumb outside everyone's personal opinion of what warrants a trigger warning for when to apply them.

    Many of the trigger warnings I've seen seem totally unrelated to the things posted below them. Sometimes to the point where I wonder if it including them was somehow accidental.

    Granted, I am not on tumblr much, which seems to be where these things are most prominent.

  • edited 2012-06-13 20:42:36
    You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    I don't understand why people (on both sides) make such a big deal out of trigger warnings, honestly.

    If a blogger wants to write about an uncomfortable subject, and knows there's a chance some of their readers might be triggered by it--or even just find it uncomfortable--why is it so controversial if that blogger decides to give those people a heads-up "hey, you might want to skip this post"?
  • edited 2012-06-13 20:44:52
    READ MY CROSS SHIPPING-FANFICTION, DAMMIT!

    i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
    ^^I'm not either, kinda why I was attempting to get an idea of their proper use.

    I originally though it was something rape survivors used, but if the criteria is for something that might trigger PTSD, that increases the places where it could be used quite a bit.

    "If a blogger wants to write about an uncomfortable subject, and knows there's a chance some of their readers might be triggered by it--or even just find it uncomfortable--why is it so controversial if that blogger decides to give those people a heads-up "hey, you might want to skip this post"?"
    That makes a fair amount of sense, presuming a blogger had a pretty decent idea of his audience. Which seems likely unless the blogger had zero focus what what they where attempting to do with their blag.

  • edited 2012-06-13 20:47:28
    Let me tell you. About Fallen London.
    Is there like some sort of understood rules for when to use a trigger warning? "PTSD" can be over many things, and one of the main problems I have with this idea prefixing something with a trigger warning is I'm not sure if there's a good rule of thumb outside everyone's personal opinion of warrants a trigger warning for when to apply them.

    And that's sort of the opposite of a rule of thumb.
    In general safe spaces, it's usually polite to use "tw: rape", "tw: pedophilia", "tw: suicide", "tw: incest"--major things like that. 

    In more specific communities, my understanding is that what happens is the mods'll let people anonymously submit triggers, which are then put into a list for people to check before they post.

    I'll admit I don't have the best handle on the issue myself, but it always seemed like something weird to get this worked up about. It's just saying, hey, the content of this post or image contains X, I know that sets people off, so be warned before you start reading it.

    (CAninja'd!)

    "die cis scum"


    Wait, what?

    It's this tumblr meme, which is pretty much...well, it's just those words. And then people'll defend it by saying that it's okay to say because transpeople are subject to more serious slurs and are murdered for being transgendered (whereas cisgendered people won't be murdered for being cisgendered). Which is depressingly true, but it's an odd leap of logic to use a real-life tragedy to justify a shocking statement on the internet. And I can understand the tactic of jolting people out of their comfort zones, but it seems like that's mostly only going to pointlessly antagonize people who might've otherwise been allies.
  • READ MY CROSS SHIPPING-FANFICTION, DAMMIT!

    i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
    "In general safe spaces, it's usually polite to use "tw: rape", "tw: pedophilia", "tw: suicide", "tw: incest"--major things like that. 

    In more specific communities, my understanding is that what happens is the mods'll let people anonymously submit triggers, which are then put into a list for people to check before they post."

    This also makes sense to me.
  • Well I'm not trying to get worked up about it, I just think it's an odd practice, and don't quite understand why people complain when it's not used (and people do complain).
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    I think when we say "internet social justice" we're not talking about people who form movements and sign petitions and march in the streets, we're talking about bloggers who hear stories and get angry with little but other bloggers to hear them.
  • I was actually talking more about the people like Odradek just made a thread about.

    But those too.

    In other words, I got City of Heroes to work on my big computer. yay.

  • ^^^ Well...imagine you have epilepsy, and you're online and someone who knows that you have it (or at least, that some percentage of their readers are epileptic) posted a bunch of bright colored flashing lights. After you pick yourself off the floor, you're probably going to be pretty upset that you had an attack which could've been avoided if they'd just said "hey, this link might set off epilepsy".

    It's not quite the same, but it is more similar than might be expected. Panic attacks can lead to, for instance, severe respiratory problems and other complications. While it's true that anxiety or PTSD can be treated with therapy and medication, it's pretty rare that they'll be cured completely--the best they can usually hope for is reduced severity over time--and really, it's better to just post a bit of text first than to say people suffering those symptoms should stay off the internet.
  • Well alright, that's fair enough.

    I still wish that people using such things would actually make sure the content they're posting warrants them, though.

  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.

    In other words, I got City of Heroes to work on my big computer. yay.

    Yay, baby!
  • I punched the shit out of some lava monsters that were somehow affected by my flame-punches, and then proceeded to get killed repeatedly by gang members.
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Those gang members are pretty strong.
  • Yup.

    Also pretty bold. You have to wonder who--in a city of supervillians and superheroes, would willingly attack a man in skull-adorned plate armor.

    I suppose joke's on me, though.

  • also I briefly teamed up with a man in black and a guy named Hero Lad.
  • I'll be honest — I haven't played a lot of RPGs. Western or Eastern. Do a lot of the non-linear ones play generally like The Elder Scrolls games?
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    My presence is present once more.
  • ...Sorta?

    I mean, City of Heroes is superhero-themed. But it's an MMO (of which this is only my second) so I personally, can't really say.

    Plus I haven't played an Elder Scrolls since Morrowind.

  • TreTre
    edited 2012-06-13 21:23:15
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    I don't really play RPGs that much either.

    I know, I know, I'm a heathen, but that's more out of not having tried any that suit my fancy yet, though Mass Effect 2 (and 3) looked nice.
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    I don't play RPGs, since I'm already stuck in this Nintendo Hard RPG called life.
  • I have heard Mass Effect alternately described as one of the worst and one of the best RPGs ever. So I can grok that it is divisive, but that's about it.

    TREEEEEE you should get City of Heroes so we can City of Hero together.

    It will be fuckawesome.

  • actually should i make a city of heroes thread or would no one care.
  • Hmm, maybe if I can get this old dino laptop working with Win7 I might be able to.

    My normal laptop won't support it, mainly because I doubt it'll run well on Linux, but still, the other computer might do it. We shall see.
  • 'k.

    The only reason I couldn't get it to work on this thing was (apparently) memory issues.

    Which I believe, given how full to bursting this thing is.

  • Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.
    Woohoo linear algebra here we go
  • HEY WAIT

    Maybe it can run on my Aspire. 

    I did get Minecraft on it-- how hard could it be?
  • Well that's interesting.

    Good luck, should you attempt that endeavor.

    BTW, AiLF2 dropped today, it's in the music thread.

  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    God, Sokka can be hilarious.
  • Living tissue over endoskeleton.
    Mass Effect 1 is an awesome experience, and I seriously recommend it. Mass Effect 2, for me, is a mixed bag. The mechanics and party members are better, but the plot, to me, was lackluster and not indicative of the threat you're facing. Still a great game. Haven't played 3.
  • edited 2012-06-13 21:38:56

    So I'm thinking of getting a MacBook sometime soon, but if I do I'll be setting up a Win7 virtual machine on it so I can still play all my Steam games. Would Virtualbox be a good choice, or would I be much better off buying something from VMware?
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    I wonder how Wikipedia decides what their featured article is going to be each day.
  • Yeah, I took a listen to the tracks up until the last 3, which you hadn't uploaded yet when I checked. I'll probably one-shot the rest soon.

    ^^ I used Parallels. It was pretty good at running Windows things but I'd probably prefer installing the OS to the Mac itself with Boot Camp.
  • Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.

    Everyone I know of who played Mass Effect 3 was angered by it. For whatever reasons I dunno, I have no idea what the game is even about. 

    For those of you with PS3s (or PS2s) and haven't played Odin Sphere, you are missing out bigtime

  • edited 2012-06-13 21:45:53
    Let me tell you. About Fallen London.
    Oh man, Nepeta vs. Equius on Benderstuck.

    Fusch: Bootcamp's always worked fine for me.

    Mass Effect 1 is an awesome experience, and I seriously recommend it. Mass Effect 2, for me, is a mixed bag. The mechanics and party members are better, but the plot, to me, was lackluster and not indicative of the threat you're facing. Still a great game. Haven't played 3.

    I know what you mean about that--I think Horizon was the only place it really lived up to that, although the actual suicide mission was really harrowing (I was really surprised to hear that the crew would've died if I'd done missions after they were abducted--it makes sense, but I wouldn't have expected it). Everyone lived in my playthrough, but damn. 

    I think ME3 does a better job of capturing the scale of what you're facing--partly because I've been playing the hell out of multiplayer, partly because the first mission, on Earth, is a kick in the ass, and partly because the writing (including all the little moments on the Citadel) just sells the hell out of it. At least IMO.
    I'll be honest — I haven't played a lot of RPGs. Western or Eastern. Do a lot of the non-linear ones play generally like The Elder Scrolls games?

    I've never played an Elder Scrolls game, but I know it's a pretty common comparison.




    ^ damn, yeah, Odin Sphere was fantastic.
  • Apparently the ending sucks.
  • i wish to come up with a song lyric for this signature, but no song lyrics are coming to mind

    actually should i make a city of heroes thread or would no one care.



    i played city of heroes before

    it was cool

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    Now to go back in time

    Using my WASHING MACHINE
  • i wish to come up with a song lyric for this signature, but no song lyrics are coming to mind

    i checked out finnegans wake from the library

    this'll be good fun

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    Finnegans Wake?

    GWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

    This page is what got me started with it. You may wish to read it. It's dangerous to go alone
  • Tre said:

    Apparently the ending sucks.

    That was literally all I heard anyone say about Mass Effect 3 for way too long. But apparently the free "director's cut" DLC is finished, so hopefully it'll be out before I get to that point.
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    John Wilkes Booth's toenail clippers
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    There are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.
    There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.
    But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know, we don't know.
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    where is squid
  • I am posting from y fresh, brand-spankin'-new Precise Pangolliiinnnnn


    W00T.
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