Collectathons and QTEs

Odradek · 2016-10-30 02:49:53

People are unable to criticize either of these things without accidentally attacking the concept of videogames in themselves

Imipolex G · 2016-10-30 02:51:00

Collectathons are great but QTEs are terrible.

Done.

Salix Babylonika · 2016-10-30 02:51:33

actually, in my view, the Jedi are evil

Salix Babylonika · 2016-10-30 02:53:24

when you think about it, aren't all video games just QTEs

really makes you think doesn't it

Salix Babylonika · 2016-10-30 02:53:33

really

makes you

think

Salix Babylonika · 2016-10-30 02:54:38

actually to be completely straight (haha, me straight, can you imagine?) with you I will just say. I have NO idea what this thread is actually criticizing so, as usual, I will just interpret any meanings that are less than 100% clear to be aligned with my own worldview, where the Jedi are evil and Yume Nikki is game of the year, every year, and no shitty people on twitter use poor Madotsuki as their avatar.

t. Jane expert

Klinotaxis · 2016-10-30 03:06:47

people being unable to criticize collectathons (meaning i dunno, i think donkey kong 64 kind of games where you run around a level picking up bananas) and QTEs which you probably know what they are without criticizing deeper concepts that are basically intrinsic to video games

i thought it was clear enough

Odradek · 2016-10-30 03:13:27

"In Collectathons, the only way they can find to make you keep playing it is to make you do stuff, to get stuff, to do more stuff, to get more stuff!"

"With QTEs, you're just pressing buttons and not actually doing the thing being shown on screen!"

Salix Babylonika · 2016-10-30 03:18:09

people being unable to criticize collectathons (meaning i dunno, i think donkey kong 64 kind of games where you run around a level picking up bananas) and QTEs which you probably know what they are without criticizing deeper concepts that are basically intrinsic to video games

i thought it was clear enough

how many layers of irony are you on my man

"about 1 or 2"

YOU ARE WEAK LIKE SMALL BABY

I WILL SHOW YOU IRONY

Salix Babylonika · 2016-10-30 03:20:23

Salix Babylonika · 2016-10-30 03:23:46

Yarrun XIX · 2016-10-30 03:24:36

The problem with QTEs is that there's a distinct disconnect between what you are doing and what's being shown on the screen. As such, it can be at least partially remedied by connecting the button in question with the action in question. Prince of Persia does so by making every QTE connect with a distinct action already delegated to the appropriate button. One button does crazy wind dodges; one button uses the off-hand claw; and one button does sword swipes.

The problem with Collectathons is effectively the opposite: instead of a disconnect between your actions and their outcomes, there's nothing besides your actions and their obvious outcomes. The best way to remedy this is to have every subset of collectable items have its own unique and useful effect on gameplay.

Klinotaxis · 2016-10-30 03:26:05

Yuyuko Saigyouji said:

"Fire" said:
people being unable to criticize collectathons (meaning i dunno, i think donkey kong 64 kind of games where you run around a level picking up bananas) and QTEs which you probably know what they are without criticizing deeper concepts that are basically intrinsic to video games

i thought it was clear enough
how many layers of irony are you on my man

"about 1 or 2"

YOU ARE WEAK LIKE SMALL BABY

I WILL SHOW YOU IRONY

i was not being ironic at all

Salix Babylonika · 2016-10-30 03:27:04

Salix Babylonika · 2016-10-30 03:28:05

Yuyuko Saigyouji said:

"Fire" said:
people being unable to criticize collectathons (meaning i dunno, i think donkey kong 64 kind of games where you run around a level picking up bananas) and QTEs which you probably know what they are without criticizing deeper concepts that are basically intrinsic to video games

i thought it was clear enough
how many layers of irony are you on my man

"about 1 or 2"

YOU ARE WEAK LIKE SMALL BABY

I WILL SHOW YOU IRONY

i was not being ironic at all

aybe you were being so ironic that you didn't even KNOW you were being

Klinotaxis · 2016-10-30 03:30:09

no i'm pretty confident that i'm being sincere and i am not sure why you are treating me like this

Salix Babylonika · 2016-10-30 03:31:53

IN THAT CASE

I will move my memes to a pre-approved memespace

One-Winged Eagle · 2016-10-30 03:32:16

The thing that separates an effective QTE and an uneffective QTE is ultimately how it feels.

glennmagusharvey · 2016-10-30 03:33:05

Yuyuko Saigyouji said:
when you think about it, aren't all video games just QTEs

really makes you think doesn't it

this

Yarrun XIX · 2016-10-30 03:36:42

One-Winged Eagle said:
The thing that separates an effective QTE and an uneffective QTE is ultimately how it feels.

Basically.

I mean, the finale of Portal 2 is just a slow QTE (or a STE), but it makes sense because the game sets it up camera-angle style so that it's obvious (rather than flashing a button on the screen), your action still corresponds to the outcome, and it's dramatic as hell.

Or the end of Mirror's Edge, which is basically 'run to a point, jump and press the action button'.

Salix Babylonika · 2016-10-30 03:37:24

now I feel bad for being silly

Odradek · 2016-10-30 03:39:45

Asura's Wrath

One-Winged Eagle · 2016-10-30 03:39:49

I mean I hate to keep saying it, but in Bayonetta and Transformers: Devastation and Revengeance it's nice and simple: each button press is another strike and each time it's really satisfying because it's simple. Hit the bastard in the face. A lot.

In Force Unleashed, each button press is a complicated set of maneuvers that looks flashy but feels unsatisfying because it doesn't feel like you dong it.

One-Winged Eagle · 2016-10-30 03:41:06

CarnEvil said:
Asura's Wrath

Hit the bastard in the face. A lot.

Baristute Barrister said:

Yuyuko Saigyouji said:
when you think about it, aren't all video games just QTEs

really makes you think doesn't it
this

I think you missed a joke, man.

Yarrun XIX · 2016-10-30 03:55:11

One-Winged Eagle said:
I mean I hate to keep saying it, but in Bayonetta and Transformers: Devastation and Revengeance it's nice and simple: each button press is another strike and each time it's really satisfying because it's simple. Hit the bastard in the face. A lot.

In Force Unleashed, each button press is a complicated set of maneuvers that looks flashy but feels unsatisfying because it doesn't feel like you dong it.

I can get behind that.

Being able to manually stomp a guy's face in, boot by boot, is always a plus.

glennmagusharvey · 2016-10-30 03:59:15

One-Winged Eagle said:

CarnEvil said:
Asura's Wrath
Hit the bastard in the face. A lot.
Baristute Barrister said:

Yuyuko Saigyouji said:
when you think about it, aren't all video games just QTEs

really makes you think doesn't it
this
I think you missed a joke, man.

And all games are role-playing games.

They're statements that are irrefutably true in many cases, though just not hugely meaningful in differentiating the kinds of experiences people generally talk about.

I just felt like making a note of that because I kinda enjoy drilling things down to fundamentals and before rebuilding them.

Bee · 2016-10-30 16:49:41

The difference between a good collectathon and a bad one is variation and a minimum amount of believability. Banjo-Kazooie was good because you were doing interesting things and seeing characters and situations appropriate to each setting. DK64 was bad because it was literally a bunch of shitty Mario Party minigames, most of them completely divorced from the setting through barrels, and the world around you was pretty dead.

Klinotaxis · 2016-10-30 16:50:37

Uh counterpoint: you have a gun that shoots coconuts

Bee · 2016-10-30 16:51:27

And almost all you use it for is hitting switches that have a coconut on them. Half the areas gated to specific characters didn't actually gate them with anything that had to do with their abilities, just the different skin on their weapon or instrument.

That, and having to go through every level five whole times because they inexplicably couldn't pick up different-color collectibles was stupid.

Odradek · 2016-10-30 16:56:02

Ultimately, collectathons are just colorful metroidvanias

Yarrun XIX · 2016-10-30 16:56:43

To be fair, Donky Kong Country reveled in stupid mini-games even back when it was 2D.

Bee · 2016-10-31 01:40:38

Yeah but they were secrets, not the entirety of mandatory progression.

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