the final discourse

edited 2015-11-11 18:54:18 in General
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  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    I wonder what GM module they used for that.
  • actually annoyed about this tbh

    i mean, i found anthony fanbamaramo like low-key annoying but i thought he was an ok dude

    but anyone who would talk with sargon of akkad for over 2 hours
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    I know he's a shitlord, but just how much of a shitlord is he in an interview? Are we talking "frothing at the mouth Fox News host/Alex Jones" or "holier-than-though asshole"?
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    People do this debate shit, and it's never anything but an excuse to let noxious people be noxious
  • i havent watched it, and i wont because i love myself, but it's sargon of akkad with his trademark ill thought out "classical liberalism" and tilting at strawmen so
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    yup...they pretend there's two reasonable sides to the discussion, when it's clear one is reasonable and one is an extremist that should be ignored.
  • sargon of akkad is kinda different from most of those types because of this weird proprietary blend of reactionary social attitudes, internet libertarianism and socialism that really doesnt feel well thought out at all
  • like, he seems to not really understand how various things he says just dont mesh with one another, he says he's a "classical liberal" but then he says "a system that breeds billionaires shouldnt exist"

    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    His politics are Internet Dude.
  • generally i picture Internet Dude as being more... consistent?
  • i just find that level of inconsistency really... discouraging
  • you know what i mean?
  • kill living beings
    naming yourself sargon of akkad and then talking about politics is just bizarre

    hi, i'm nebuchadnezzar ii. you may remember me from your religious texts, which still curse my name over two thousand years after my death. today, i'd like to talk about secretary kerry's recent comments on the camp david accords
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Is this actually a recording of Fantano arguing with a krank for the better part of two-and-a-half hours or what?
  • Munch munch, chomp chomp...
    I glanced through the video, and yes, yes it's them discussing "social justice" stuff in music and musical spaces (one sliver I listened to was about free spaces in musical discussion).
  • honestly given what I've seen on fanbandabingo's tumblr I'm not sure how much arguing they'd be doing
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    I am curious because it's such a deeply strange setup—Fantano does like to mess with a certain segment of the Tumblr crowd but the majority of his views are the polar opposite of this guy's—but I really don't want to give this person views.
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    I'm kinda curious, too, but I also feel similarly to Sredni.

    I'm gonna go in on Incognito view on Chrome if I watch this. I recommend that you do the same if possible, Sredni.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    I think I'd literally rather be tortured than watch this
  • two hours of Sargon of Akkad is on the absolute lowest tier of things i would want to hear two hours of, regardless of his guest
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    I'm kinda vaguely interested in getting to know his viewpoints, just in a "know your enemy" sense.

    That said, I'm still not sure whether I'll actually take the plunge or not.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    So apparently he seems friendly with a couple of these guys and has shown up on their podcasts but I honestly still can't figure out how this became a thing. Maybe it's like James Carville and his wife? I honestly don't get it.

    I do know that he shares their dislike for Anita Sarkeesian, but I feel like his dislike is "you're making a living off pointing at a problem while doing nothing to support and cultivate available alternatives," while theirs is... something else entirely.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    For some reason youtube idiots go on for obscene amounts of time.

    It's not just reacto atheists, there was an antinatalist dude who would do this too.
  • My dreams exceed my real life

    naming yourself sargon of akkad and then talking about politics is just bizarre

    hi, i'm nebuchadnezzar ii. you may remember me from your religious texts, which still curse my name over two thousand years after my death. today, i'd like to talk about secretary kerry's recent comments on the camp david accords

    This is my last stick of gum 

    I'm going to cut it up so everybody else gets some 

    Except for Ashurbanipal, who says my haircut makes me look like a Mohenjo-daroan

    Hey, Ashurbanipal I'm a Mesopotamian 

    Sargon, Hammurabi, Ashurbanipal, and Gilgamesh

  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    Youtubers in general just do not know how to edit. Recording everything live to tape is a great way to bore people, especially if your video has a topic.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    They know how to edit, that's why they do super-annoying jumpcuts.
  • it's a recording of a live stream dude
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    The lamest thing you can do is record a Star Wars review longer than thirty minutes, though
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    ^^ Yeah, it's literally just an unedited recording of a long conversation.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    So Fantano has posted a podcast talking to this guy and wow, it is... strange.
  • I think naming yourself after something old gives you a small amount of inherited gravitas inherently.

    It's the Napoleon Dynamite principle, except the people who made that movie were smart enough to know that you can only name your main character Napoleon if he's the complete opposite of Bonaparte.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    See, the vibe I'm getting from Sargon of Akkad is not that of an awful, mean-spirited reactionary, but a well-intentioned but really privileged guy who buys into a handful of really dubious ideas ideas about how society works or should work in and amongst otherwise reasonable views and just fundamentally misunderstands how his opponents see the world and think about it.

    On the other hand, while I do feel like Fantano holds some views of his own that I really disagree with, he sees more of the big picture and, at one point, straight up schools this guy on why affirmative action exists, which is kind of great.
  • edited 2015-11-14 06:55:38
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    I'm still kinda curious about that myself, but would need to build myself up to be able to listen to it.

    Maybe on Sunday I'll be able to do so...
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    It's really very...

    *RCA Victor Dog head-tilt*
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS

    See, the vibe I'm getting from Sargon of Akkad is not that of an awful, mean-spirited reactionary, but a well-intentioned but really privileged guy who buys into a handful of really dubious ideas ideas about how society works or should work in and amongst otherwise reasonable views and just fundamentally misunderstands how his opponents see the world and think about it. 

    this actually seems to apply to quite a bit of GamerGate, from what I've heard. As soon as they realise what they're railing against is an actual person and not an Internet meme, they're like "Oh. Oh my God."
  • edited 2015-11-15 02:42:24
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    He actually has distanced himself from GG itself. To his (small) credit, and for that very reason.

    Still doesn't understand why identity politics exist or how they work, though. Kinda like a lot of moderate Republicans. And the thing is, he's not stupid and he shows intellectual curiosity and some empathy. But his social politics are just so deeply misinformed and wildly off-base. Like, you can't use the pragmatism card and idealise reality like that at the same time.
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    I'm listening to the podcast now, and I think I pretty much agree with Sredni.

    I'd like to add that the disconnect probably comes in part because he is British. I've noticed how, generally, when a person seems to appear reasonable yet spouts off political views that are kinda crazy, it tends to be because they're European and consequently don't really understand how U.S. politics works.

    (Of course, you can get that disconnect if you have sufficient privilege as an American as well, as David Brooks and his ilk demonstrate, but that's another topic.)
  • As a rule, I have no respect for anyone who has "distanced" themselves from GamerGate without any real condemnation.

    Likewise even if I disagree with Anita Sarkeesian given her position in internet discourse I pretty much instantly lose some amount of respect for people who publicly criticize her without putting forth sufficient effort to make sure that gators can't weaponize their criticisms.
  • you all have missed the point which is that YouTube keeps subjected me to this damn thumbnail

    and it does not give me the option to say I don't want to see it
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat

    you all have missed the point which is that YouTube keeps subjected me to this damn thumbnail

    and it does not give me the option to say I don't want to see it

    that is annoying

    but they might never give it to us, much like how they refuse to add a loop button
  • like you know that little grey icon with three dots and you hover over it and it gives you the option to flag or say you aren't interested

    that doesn't show up for this video, and only this video

    Google wants me to suffer
  • like you know that little grey icon with three dots and you hover over it and it gives you the option to flag or say you aren't interested 

    uh

    no????

    when was this added????
  • Kexruct said:

    As a rule, I have no respect for anyone who has "distanced" themselves from GamerGate without any real condemnation.

    :moves several feet in the opposite direction from the 4chan servers:

    I have distanced myself from GamerGate
  • Jane said:

    like you know that little grey icon with three dots and you hover over it and it gives you the option to flag or say you aren't interested 

    uh

    no????

    when was this added????
    forever ago? if you hover your cursor over the thumbnail or title of a video it causes this little thing to appear that generally gives you those two options
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    HOLY FUCKING SHIT HOW LONG HAS THIS INFORMATION BEEN WITHHELD FROM ME
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    I DID NOT KNOW THIS EITHER

    MY LIFE HAS IMPROVED
  • don't feel too dumb I didn't know about it either until like I think crystal pointed it out to me?
  • now I can focus on the true art that resides on Youtube

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  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Maybe the length screws with it? I dunno.

    But yeah, it was way less awful than I thought it would be, but it's still kind of like if Fantano had talked to, like, a really affable Republican about how social issues relate to music culture. I was never angry per se, but I shook and quizzically tilted my head a lot in bemusement. Like, dude does not get how feminism or institutional racism works at all, to an almost comical degree, and on some level he seems to recognise that he's missing something, but he never takes a long, hard look at that part of his ideology because he's so sheltered and theory-obsessed. I can imagine that if he'd lived in the bad part of town, he'd be a Marxist.
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