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Viani · 2013-09-20 14:08:44

Ask what you can do for Ulfric Stormcloak!

Fossilmaiden · 2013-09-20 15:33:31

I can stick a sword in him and use his corpse to beat General Tullius with!

Misery · 2013-09-20 15:35:03

i wish i could play this game

Obā-san · 2013-09-20 16:11:54

Norman Bates said:
i wish i could play this game

Hexartes · 2013-09-20 17:00:35

Ulfric Stormcloak is Literally Hitler Almost Kinda.

Really the choice of faction depends on how much weight you put on the facts that Tullius is kind of a jerk and Ulfric is a very compelling speaker.

Yarrun XIX · 2013-09-20 17:16:20

The morality of Ulfric in relation to that of the Stormcloaks in general is common topic of discussion on the Skyrim Confessions Blog that I follow.

They've had to delete posts because the argument got too big.

The general consensus is that Ulfric's not as bad as Stone-Fist and, well, the really racist Stormcloaks, but he's still kind of a jerk for not supporting the Dunmer and the whole Forsworn fiasco.

And even then, some people will still try to justify the Dunmer hatred because of the whole history between elves and humans

Hexartes · 2013-09-20 17:19:35

And the simple fact that the Stormcloak Rebellion is sort of set up to fail. It weakens the already fractured Empire and creates another state that will likely be weak as well.

Alduin · 2013-09-21 03:27:06

You must understand that the Nords hate the Dunmer for a reason. The Nords believe that it was the Elven devils who prevented Lorkhan from becoming whole again when he went to Red Mountain to reclaim his heart. That's the equivalent of some Pakistani people preventing the Second Coming of Christ.

Tachyon · 2013-09-21 08:57:54

doesn't excuse the racism at all

Ulfric is OK, don't agree with him but he doesn't seem like a bad dude. Attacking Whiterun is a dick move tho

Tullius is a condescending imperialist douche but i can understand his being irritated by the Stormcloaks, they are irritating people in general

really i didn't want to join either side, i just wanted to drive out the Thalmor

Tachyon · 2013-09-21 08:59:05

i have a feeling i took this game more seriously than you're supposed to

i tried to properly roleplay my way thru it which meant missing out on a lot e.g. the entire dark brotherhood questline :v

Tachyon · 2013-09-21 09:06:25

also the Forsworn are little more than bandits and terrorists which limits my sympathy

maybe Ulfric made them that way, idk

Aliroz · 2013-09-21 11:41:07

I just want to play as the scaly guys and eradicate the mammals.

Alduin · 2013-09-21 12:56:11

Tachyon said:
also the Forsworn are little more than bandits and terrorists which limits my sympathy

maybe Ulfric made them that way, idk

If you look at it from a certain perspective, the Stormcloak Rebellion and the Forsworn Uprising have a lot of similarities.

Tachyon · 2013-09-21 12:59:27

true

iirc tho the Forsworn weren't in control of the Reach for very long, were they?

Alduin · 2013-09-21 13:05:49

Their leader was kept in a prison by a corrupt corporate executive. That doesn't leave much room for control.

Hexartes · 2013-09-21 16:02:25

doesn't excuse the racism at all

Ulfric is OK, don't agree with him but he doesn't seem like a bad dude. Attacking Whiterun is a dick move tho

I feel like killing a young, inexperience king due to a horrendous and obvious logical fallacy (that even Ulfric is probably aware of) sort of calls his not a bad guy status in question.

Tullius

imperialist douche

funny thing about that

Tachyon · 2013-09-21 16:10:11

well yeah but colonialism sucks and his attitude is very colonial

i mean i found the empire the least bad faction of the bunch, but Tullius is one of the worse imperials

Hexartes · 2013-09-21 16:18:51

That was just a joke, actually. (Imperial, geddit?) And maybe I'm not interpreting his character right, but I always saw it more as "I hate the Thalmor just as much as you do and fracturing the Empire even more is a stupid idea" than colonialism. I don't think Ulfric Stormcloak would be able to run his state for very long and the Empire lasted for a long, long time with very few attempts at homogenization.

Tachyon · 2013-09-21 16:22:31

yeah i get it, i'm just saying

i think he just sees the uprising as a trivial annoyance, like Ulfric's just making trouble for the hell of it and without Ulfric the problem will just go away.

which i can understand since the Empire obviously has worse things to worry about, but he makes it quite clear he doesn't care about the grievances of the people of Skyrim

Hexartes · 2013-09-21 16:25:51

Yeah, that's what makes him a compelling character to me. He is kind of a jerk, but he also knows what he's doing. He can't make a speech and he has the opposite of charisma, but he's doing what's right.

The Stormcloak uprising is basically founded on a misunderstanding: that the Empire is weak because it knows when to fold and wait to attack until later.

Imipolex G · 2013-09-21 16:26:54

I have what the tropers call Hype Aversion to this

Tachyon · 2013-09-21 16:28:43

^^ except most of the Nords are also pretty proudly nationalistic

plus the Thalmor are going around abducting and torturing people, tho they didn't start doing that until the Stormcloaks made a scene so they can't blame the Empire for that one

^ i kind of did as well, but i played and enjoyed it *shrug*

Hexartes · 2013-09-21 16:32:05

Dirty Pillows said:
I have what the tropers call Hype Aversion to this

I doubt you'd enjoy it. Doesn't exactly seem like your kind of game.

Hexartes · 2013-09-21 16:33:30

Tachyon said:
^^ except most of the Nords are also pretty proudly nationalistic

plus the Thalmor are going around abducting and torturing people, tho they didn't start doing that until the Stormcloaks made a scene so they can't blame the Empire for that one

I can't tell if you're supposed to be disagreeing with me here.

Tachyon · 2013-09-21 16:36:46

i'm saying i don't disagree that it started over a misunderstanding, but i don't blame the Nords for being pissed at this point

Imipolex G · 2013-09-21 17:00:12

Kexruct said:

Dirty Pillows said:
I have what the tropers call Hype Aversion to this
I doubt you'd enjoy it. Doesn't exactly seem like your kind of game.

why do you say this

Tachyon · 2013-09-21 17:14:28

hmm

The Elder Scrolls is not very mind-screwy, with the possible exception of certain Daedric quests

the soundtrack is an orchestral score (synths imitating an orchestra in previous titles) and does not involve metal

there are large breasts but they are clothed, and the character models are not very pretty

there are large worlds to explore with lots of secrets to uncover, but i imagine the difficulty might be somewhat tame for your liking

Imipolex G · 2013-09-21 17:15:17

First three are valid

Last one is inaccurate; I tend to like easy-ish games

Tachyon · 2013-09-21 17:22:02

actually with regards to 'not mind-screwy', the Shivering Isles expansion for Oblivion is at the very least absurd, and the Dragonborn expansion for Skyrim would arguably qualify as a mind screw, from what i've heard.

Viani · 2013-09-21 20:48:07

Tachyon said:
actually with regards to 'not mind-screwy', the Shivering Isles expansion for Oblivion is at the very least absurd, and the Dragonborn expansion for Skyrim would arguably qualify as a mind screw, from what i've heard.

Do you mean th traveling back in time to kill yourself but get killed by yourself thing, or the "you are actually hermaerus mora, and hermaerus mora is actually Alduin" thing?

Tachyon · 2013-09-21 20:49:52

i haven't played it, as my post was meant to imply, i'm just going by what i've heard

but if that happens, yes

Hexartes · 2013-09-22 00:13:08

Come to think of it, I think Imi would like a lot of TES's world building for a lot of the reasons I dislike it.

So read the UESP, maybe?

Yarrun XIX · 2013-09-22 00:20:00

Man, everyone just hates the Thalmor.

I think if you just gathered everybody into a single room and had them talk it out, they agreement would be to just screw the Thalmor.

Imipolex G · 2013-09-22 00:50:55

Doesn't really matter since I never play anything later than 1997 on principle

Hexartes · 2013-09-22 00:51:36

Pillows said:
Doesn't really matter since I never play anything later than 1997 on principle

What principle?

Imipolex G · 2013-09-22 00:54:58

The "I am an old fart who refuses to learn new things" principle

Salix Babylonika · 2013-09-22 01:07:26

you would probably enjoy Super Meatboy.

Alduin · 2013-09-22 06:28:32

Tachyon said:
actually with regards to 'not mind-screwy', the Shivering Isles expansion for Oblivion is at the very least absurd, and the Dragonborn expansion for Skyrim would arguably qualify as a mind screw, from what i've heard.

What? Dragonborn makes a lot of sense.

Viani · 2013-09-23 00:49:56

Even with the whole "magic isn't real and is a lazy handwave brought about talentless casual gamer archetypical writers poisoning the industry" thing.

Previous Calica · 2013-09-23 01:21:12

wait what

Fossilmaiden · 2013-09-23 10:57:55

Yarrun XIX said:
Man, everyone just hates the Thalmor.

I think if you just gathered everybody into a single room and had them talk it out, they agreement would be to just screw the Thalmor.

Well, they are magical elven Nazis.

Yarrun XIX · 2013-09-23 12:23:29

I had my Khajiit break into the Thalmor Embassy after finishing the main quest so I could stab Elewen in her sleep with my soul-trapping dagger. And I feel that most players would say that binding her soul to the Soul Cairn for all eternity wasn't harsh enough.

Viani · 2013-09-23 23:21:52

1. Get soultrapping weapon
2. Murder + Soultrap Elewen.
3. Go to enchanting table.
4. Activate enchantable amulets mod
5. Use her soul to make an enchanted Amulet of Talos.

Yarrun XIX · 2013-09-23 23:30:17

I don't think you can make or enchant Divine Amulets.

Buuuuuuut, there's probably a mod for that.

They have mods for everything, no matter how sick and disgusting it is.

Alduin · 2013-09-24 06:49:31

Fossilmaiden said:

Yarrun XIX said:
Man, everyone just hates the Thalmor.

I think if you just gathered everybody into a single room and had them talk it out, they agreement would be to just screw the Thalmor.
Well, they are magical elven Nazis.

Who want to destroy the universe.

Tachyon · 2013-09-24 13:08:32

Acererak said:

Tachyon said:
actually with regards to 'not mind-screwy', the Shivering Isles expansion for Oblivion is at the very least absurd, and the Dragonborn expansion for Skyrim would arguably qualify as a mind screw, from what i've heard.
What? Dragonborn makes a lot of sense.

from what i've heard, i said. i haven't actually played it.

but it has tentacles, and nothing with tentacles is allowed to make sense

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