Fire Emblem, tough war simulation, when you play it you won't be able to sleep anymore

ProfessorGator

ProfessorGator

2012-12-26 09:40:01 edited 2012-12-26 09:40:20 in General

With Fire Emblem: Awakening coming out in North America in less than two months, I figured it was a good time to start a thread on the series.

My impressions of Awakening from the information I've gathered from fansites are pretty good. For those who haven't heard, it's basically going to be a mishmash of gameplay mechanics from all the games in the series. One of these is the branching promotions from Gaiden and Sacred Stones. Some of the new promoted classes have surprising weapon combinations. One of my favorites is the Cleric promotion that can use axes; by Fire Emblem conventions it seems ridiculous yet awesome.

It also seems surprisingly lighthearted for a Fire Emblem game. But then again, they always start out as "let's go beat the evil bandits yaaaaaaay" before gradually getting darker and more serious.

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ProfessorGator

2012-12-26 09:58:28
Remember back in the 50s when they'd record like Elvis singing YOU AIN'T NOTHIN BUT A HOUND DOG and then they'd turn the record over and reverse it and it was all NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP and people were all like, "That is actually the voice of Satan coming from that song."

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but whoa! Its okay, I'll answer all your questions in due time.

Speaking of Disgaea, Awakening will introduce combo attacks kinda like the ones in there.

Also yes, that is indeed a picture of a Fire Emblem. Either Path of Radiance or Radiant Dawn, neither of which I've played myself.
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ProfessorGator

2012-12-26 10:36:56 edited 2012-12-26 10:37:17
Remember back in the 50s when they'd record like Elvis singing YOU AIN'T NOTHIN BUT A HOUND DOG and then they'd turn the record over and reverse it and it was all NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP and people were all like, "That is actually the voice of Satan coming from that song."

But yes, while it is true that Fire Emblem isn't as complicated or over-the-top comical as Disgaea, I think it's still a pretty fun series. I'm not sure which game to recommend as your first, though. Since you're already familiar with strategy RPGs, Blazing Sword (which is just "Fire Emblem" outside of Japan) and Path of Radiance might be good jumping-on points. Or maybe Awakening would be good too, if you're willing to wait until February.

And about the "characters die when they are killed" thing: that is indeed one of the things these games are famous for. There are a few exceptions. Some but not all of the games have a magic staff that lets you revive a character, but it comes at the very end of the game and only works once. And in the recent two games, there's an optional difficulty mode that lets "wounded" characters come back in the next chapter. But otherwise, if someone gets killed, you either have to move on without them or reset to your last save point.
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Imipolex G

2012-12-26 15:18:30
Touch the cow. Do it now.

My sister used to play Fire Emblem...it looked completely boring to me. Not to my tastes, I guess.
Misery

2012-12-26 16:05:37
The sadness will last forever.

This is my favorite video game.
ProfessorGator

2012-12-29 12:50:12 edited 2012-12-29 13:06:04
Remember back in the 50s when they'd record like Elvis singing YOU AIN'T NOTHIN BUT A HOUND DOG and then they'd turn the record over and reverse it and it was all NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP and people were all like, "That is actually the voice of Satan coming from that song."

As I continue my playthrough of Shadow Dragon, I realize that the vast majority of the characters that I plan to use regularly are the ones I got in the first four chapters. I think this makes me boring.
glennmagusharvey

2012-12-29 20:58:38

I once spent an entire day on a Fire Emblem chapter.

Also, Fire Emblem characters are attractive.
Anonus

2012-12-29 21:03:12
I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat

Fire Emblem is from Intelligent Systems, thus it interests me

Is Shadow Dragon any good
ProfessorGator

2012-12-29 21:16:57 edited 2012-12-29 21:18:03
Remember back in the 50s when they'd record like Elvis singing YOU AIN'T NOTHIN BUT A HOUND DOG and then they'd turn the record over and reverse it and it was all NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP and people were all like, "That is actually the voice of Satan coming from that song."

glennmagusharvey said:
I once spent an entire day on a Fire Emblem chapter.

Also, Fire Emblem characters are attractive.
Which chapters?
Anonus said:
Fire Emblem is from Intelligent Systems, thus it interests me

Is Shadow Dragon any good
Like I said in the General Video Game Thread, it's pretty good for getting the hang of the game mechanics. It also has Marth if you're looking forward to seeing him. Plus, it's the first game that lets you change your characters' classes between maps, so if you want one of your Cavaliers to be an Archer instead, you can do that.

But it has a less fleshed-out story and less complex gameplay than the rest of the games. Considering how much you like the stories of TTYD and Super Paper Mario, that might be a pretty big downside. But in the end, it's up to you.
Anonus

2012-12-29 21:36:55
I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat

...right...

Is there any order I should play these games in?
ProfessorGator

2012-12-29 21:42:40
Remember back in the 50s when they'd record like Elvis singing YOU AIN'T NOTHIN BUT A HOUND DOG and then they'd turn the record over and reverse it and it was all NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP and people were all like, "That is actually the voice of Satan coming from that song."

Not really. There are several games that are direct sequels or prequels, but for the most part, you won't get too confused about plot elements if you decide to play the sequel first.
Anonus

2012-12-29 21:46:35
I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat

Good...
glennmagusharvey

2012-12-29 22:02:27

@ProfessorGator: Chapter 17 of Blazing Sword.
Viani

2012-12-29 23:21:24
☭ B̤̺͍̰͕̺̠̕u҉̖͙̝̮͕̲ͅm̟̼̦̠̹̙p͡s̹͖ ̻T́h̗̫͈̙̩r̮e̴̩̺̖̠̭̜ͅa̛̪̟͍̣͎͖̺d͉̦͠s͕̞͚̲͍ ̲̬̹̤Y̻̤̱o̭͠u̥͉̥̜͡ ̴̥̪D̳̲̳̤o̴͙̘͓̤̟̗͇n̰̗̞̼̳͙͖͢'҉͖t̳͓̣͍̗̰ ͉W̝̳͓̼͜a̗͉̳͖̘̮n͕ͅt͚̟͚ ̸̺T̜̖̖̺͎̱ͅo̭̪̰̼̥̜ ̼͍̟̝R̝̹̮̭ͅͅe̡̗͇a͍̘̤͉͘d̼̜ ⚢

I loved Sacred Stones. I want to try a no-looking-back course where I let defeated characters stay behind and not save-scum to try and get them back.
glennmagusharvey

2012-12-29 23:37:03

Sacred Stones might be better than Blazing Sword because Vanessa is cuter than Florina.

Also because the battle music is better.
Viani

2012-12-29 23:46:36
☭ B̤̺͍̰͕̺̠̕u҉̖͙̝̮͕̲ͅm̟̼̦̠̹̙p͡s̹͖ ̻T́h̗̫͈̙̩r̮e̴̩̺̖̠̭̜ͅa̛̪̟͍̣͎͖̺d͉̦͠s͕̞͚̲͍ ̲̬̹̤Y̻̤̱o̭͠u̥͉̥̜͡ ̴̥̪D̳̲̳̤o̴͙̘͓̤̟̗͇n̰̗̞̼̳͙͖͢'҉͖t̳͓̣͍̗̰ ͉W̝̳͓̼͜a̗͉̳͖̘̮n͕ͅt͚̟͚ ̸̺T̜̖̖̺͎̱ͅo̭̪̰̼̥̜ ̼͍̟̝R̝̹̮̭ͅͅe̡̗͇a͍̘̤͉͘d̼̜ ⚢

It also had the whole EirikaxEphraim We-Have-To-Neuter-The-Incestuous-Flirting-Because-This-Is-America stuff but left the questionable bonding dialogue in the game.
glennmagusharvey

2012-12-29 23:55:09 edited 2012-12-29 23:55:23

I need to play further to get that.

But playing further means I need to choose pairings.

And I haven't made choices yet.
Viani

2012-12-29 23:57:03
☭ B̤̺͍̰͕̺̠̕u҉̖͙̝̮͕̲ͅm̟̼̦̠̹̙p͡s̹͖ ̻T́h̗̫͈̙̩r̮e̴̩̺̖̠̭̜ͅa̛̪̟͍̣͎͖̺d͉̦͠s͕̞͚̲͍ ̲̬̹̤Y̻̤̱o̭͠u̥͉̥̜͡ ̴̥̪D̳̲̳̤o̴͙̘͓̤̟̗͇n̰̗̞̼̳͙͖͢'҉͖t̳͓̣͍̗̰ ͉W̝̳͓̼͜a̗͉̳͖̘̮n͕ͅt͚̟͚ ̸̺T̜̖̖̺͎̱ͅo̭̪̰̼̥̜ ̼͍̟̝R̝̹̮̭ͅͅe̡̗͇a͍̘̤͉͘d̼̜ ⚢

You can always read the ones you don't want to do online. People have a whole script for every character.

Or you can do what I do and PLAY EVERY SINGLE STORYLINE YOU POSSIBLY CAN AND DISCOVER EVERY DIALOGUE SUPPORT OPTION so you know you fully completed the game.
glennmagusharvey

2012-12-30 00:04:29

that might be a full-time job taking roughly five years to complete

Then again I kinda already chose who to ship in Blazing Sword, to some extent. IIRC, I'm shipping Serra and Matthew.

Actually, yeah, I only decided on one. Haven't decided on who to ship with Priscilla. Or Lyn for that matter.
Viani

2012-12-30 00:10:41
☭ B̤̺͍̰͕̺̠̕u҉̖͙̝̮͕̲ͅm̟̼̦̠̹̙p͡s̹͖ ̻T́h̗̫͈̙̩r̮e̴̩̺̖̠̭̜ͅa̛̪̟͍̣͎͖̺d͉̦͠s͕̞͚̲͍ ̲̬̹̤Y̻̤̱o̭͠u̥͉̥̜͡ ̴̥̪D̳̲̳̤o̴͙̘͓̤̟̗͇n̰̗̞̼̳͙͖͢'҉͖t̳͓̣͍̗̰ ͉W̝̳͓̼͜a̗͉̳͖̘̮n͕ͅt͚̟͚ ̸̺T̜̖̖̺͎̱ͅo̭̪̰̼̥̜ ̼͍̟̝R̝̹̮̭ͅͅe̡̗͇a͍̘̤͉͘d̼̜ ⚢

It shouldn't take 5 years to do it, it only took me a week to do. You essentially use all 3 saves, one for your primary ships, and the other two for any unexplored options. You can just do it on one of the training areas in under 3 battles, just sit the two characters next to each other and press "end" like 25 times and then the option will pop up.
glennmagusharvey

2012-12-30 00:14:04 edited 2012-12-30 00:14:57

Oh.

I forgot about the arena maps.

I also thought you meant making enough playthroughs that each top-rank support conversation is seen at least once among the many playthroughs.
Viani

2012-12-30 00:17:55
☭ B̤̺͍̰͕̺̠̕u҉̖͙̝̮͕̲ͅm̟̼̦̠̹̙p͡s̹͖ ̻T́h̗̫͈̙̩r̮e̴̩̺̖̠̭̜ͅa̛̪̟͍̣͎͖̺d͉̦͠s͕̞͚̲͍ ̲̬̹̤Y̻̤̱o̭͠u̥͉̥̜͡ ̴̥̪D̳̲̳̤o̴͙̘͓̤̟̗͇n̰̗̞̼̳͙͖͢'҉͖t̳͓̣͍̗̰ ͉W̝̳͓̼͜a̗͉̳͖̘̮n͕ͅt͚̟͚ ̸̺T̜̖̖̺͎̱ͅo̭̪̰̼̥̜ ̼͍̟̝R̝̹̮̭ͅͅe̡̗͇a͍̘̤͉͘d̼̜ ⚢

I think that's impossible on Sacred Stones because there is only 3 save slots.
glennmagusharvey

2012-12-30 00:24:22 edited 2012-12-30 00:25:54

Can always emulate. And I meant whole playthroughs that use one slot at a time anyway.

I do wonder how many playthroughs that would require at minimum. A pretty huge number, must be. You could optimize but you'd be restricted to non-overlapping pairings.
Viani

2012-12-30 00:28:16
☭ B̤̺͍̰͕̺̠̕u҉̖͙̝̮͕̲ͅm̟̼̦̠̹̙p͡s̹͖ ̻T́h̗̫͈̙̩r̮e̴̩̺̖̠̭̜ͅa̛̪̟͍̣͎͖̺d͉̦͠s͕̞͚̲͍ ̲̬̹̤Y̻̤̱o̭͠u̥͉̥̜͡ ̴̥̪D̳̲̳̤o̴͙̘͓̤̟̗͇n̰̗̞̼̳͙͖͢'҉͖t̳͓̣͍̗̰ ͉W̝̳͓̼͜a̗͉̳͖̘̮n͕ͅt͚̟͚ ̸̺T̜̖̖̺͎̱ͅo̭̪̰̼̥̜ ̼͍̟̝R̝̹̮̭ͅͅe̡̗͇a͍̘̤͉͘d̼̜ ⚢

Number of Characters x Number of Characters x 3 x Number of Available Support Dialogue Options = Number of Playthroughs it takes
ProfessorGator

2013-01-28 11:50:48 edited 2013-01-28 11:54:58
Remember back in the 50s when they'd record like Elvis singing YOU AIN'T NOTHIN BUT A HOUND DOG and then they'd turn the record over and reverse it and it was all NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP and people were all like, "That is actually the voice of Satan coming from that song."

So, now that it's exactly a week until Awakening comes out, I have a couple questions.

First, I've been practicing with the demo version, and I've been able to get through the Prologue and Chapter 1 on Hard Mode without losing anyone. However, I'm not sure if I should still try it in the real game, especially with my planned stat spread.

Second, I'm making my Avatar/My Unit's asset Magic and his flaw Speed. This is what will happen:

Spoiler:
+1 Magic and -1 Speed at the start
+10% to Magic growth
+5% to Resistance growth
-5% to Speed, Skill, and Luck growths (Magic gives a boost to speed growths that offsets the loss somewhat)

How terrible of an idea is this?
Viani

2013-01-29 15:08:55
☭ B̤̺͍̰͕̺̠̕u҉̖͙̝̮͕̲ͅm̟̼̦̠̹̙p͡s̹͖ ̻T́h̗̫͈̙̩r̮e̴̩̺̖̠̭̜ͅa̛̪̟͍̣͎͖̺d͉̦͠s͕̞͚̲͍ ̲̬̹̤Y̻̤̱o̭͠u̥͉̥̜͡ ̴̥̪D̳̲̳̤o̴͙̘͓̤̟̗͇n̰̗̞̼̳͙͖͢'҉͖t̳͓̣͍̗̰ ͉W̝̳͓̼͜a̗͉̳͖̘̮n͕ͅt͚̟͚ ̸̺T̜̖̖̺͎̱ͅo̭̪̰̼̥̜ ̼͍̟̝R̝̹̮̭ͅͅe̡̗͇a͍̘̤͉͘d̼̜ ⚢

not terrible at all.
ProfessorGator

2013-02-08 19:17:58
Remember back in the 50s when they'd record like Elvis singing YOU AIN'T NOTHIN BUT A HOUND DOG and then they'd turn the record over and reverse it and it was all NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP and people were all like, "That is actually the voice of Satan coming from that song."

I picked up Awakening today, and I played through the prologue. My thoughts so far:

I did a lazy job making my Avatar. The only change from the default I made was to change his hair color to what I decided was alligator green. Fitting for the name I gave him. Yes, I named him after my username. Creative, I know. :P

The premonition went smoothly, but:

Spoiler:
That ending. DAMN! DAMN! OH SNAP!

I used the same strategy in the Prologue as I did most of the times I did it in the demo, but it went a lot differently than usual. In the process, I became good friends with Frederick. I love how he's the skeptical one in the cutscenes, but in the battle he's all "Believe in yourself!"

I got Katarina's Bolt and 23 EXP for Lissa from the event tiles. Chrom and Lissa got pretty good levelups, and I got a sucky one. Seriously, only HP and Strength? :|
Fossilmaiden

2013-02-13 13:22:26 edited 2013-02-13 13:22:36
Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.

Been replaying The Sacred Stones recently, without using Seth, because seriously, he's one of the most overpowered things in the series. Currently up to Chapter 8. Unfortunately, the leveling RNG hates my guts. Except for with Lute and Franz, with Lute being hilariously above the curve in particular.
ProfessorGator

2013-02-15 21:09:40
Remember back in the 50s when they'd record like Elvis singing YOU AIN'T NOTHIN BUT A HOUND DOG and then they'd turn the record over and reverse it and it was all NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP and people were all like, "That is actually the voice of Satan coming from that song."

Awakening status: I'm between chapters 6 and 7, grinding for supports, levels, and money. I really wish I had more than two Second Seals right now so I could reclass everyone with as little EXP growth penalty as possible.
Misery

2013-03-01 14:22:39 edited 2013-03-01 14:22:55
The sadness will last forever.

When I paired up a weak unit with a strong one in Awakening it made the game so much easier. Maybe a bit too easy..

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