i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
I'm not sure Mr. Chick has a complete grasp on how the legal system works...or a standard reaction to learning Santa, The Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny don't exist.
Basically they are exceptionally stupid evangelical christian comic book tracts claiming that telling kids that Santa exists will, when they find out he doesn't, cause them to believe that God doesn't either and become wanton murderers.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
Hahaha a 10-year-old becomes a murderer because his schoolmates tell him there's no Santa Claus
You know, this actually could make sense, but only if we assume the kid was already a sociopath
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
^ It's not Gary Gygax's fault that Marcie changed a light bulb with her mouth.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
I think that's the thing I find weirdest about Jack Chick's stuff. Usually the religious message itself is sensible and straightforward, but the story he tells to get there is so bizarre and outlandish that (to me, at least) it completely overshadows the point he was trying to make.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
and another post that I can't fix without breaking it further
Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.
I think that's the thing I find weirdest about Jack Chick's stuff. Usually the religious message itself is sensible and straightforward, but the story he tells to get there is so bizarre and outlandish that (to me, at least) it completely overshadows the point he was trying to make.
I'm biased here because I love the guy's work and message, but I think the best defense for him is he's genuinely trying to help people with his work. It does get bizarre and outlandish and has gotten absolutely ridiculous (Double Dungeons, again), and offends (tracts against Catholicism, Islam, witchcraft, homosexuality, etc) but the guy honestly believes in what he's doing and that's spreading the gospel of salvation to the reader.
That really doesn't excuse the fact that he's a, for lack of a better term, everythingphobe.
No, he's a fundamentalist. The Bible says not to do certain things. This doesn't make him, or any other Christian a bad person or a *-phobe. The point of a religious faith to a god is not to suit the people, but the god.
What do you exactly like about his work (besides the message)? I'm genuinely interested.
I love his expressive cartooning. If you take the words away from his comic panels, you can still pretty much understand what's going or what's being conveyed from panel to panel. His comics have a lot of words, but not so much that they diminish the comic itself.
There's also his comedic little touches and characterizations, especially with his stock demon characters. HAW HAW
I love his expressive cartooning. If you take the words away from his comic panels, you can still pretty much understand what's going or what's being conveyed from panel to panel. His comics have a lot of words, but not so much that they diminish the comic itself.
True, he does have good expressions. I don't really like his art very much in general. Something about it rubs me the wrong way
No, he's a fundamentalist. The Bible says not to do certain things. This doesn't make him, or any other Christian a bad person or a *-phobe. The point of a religious faith to a god is not to suit the people, but the god.
Corporal, the difference between Jack Chick and someone like say, you, my mother, or any of the other devout christians I know is a pretty big one.
I have never seen anything to indicate that Chick is anything resembling a decent person. All I know about him are his comics, which are bizarre, rambling, often quite obviously hateful fantasies.
Now, the guy doesn't appear to be say, a racist, so I guess there's that, but I still have a really hard time comprehending why you're defending him.
edit: Actually perhaps hateful is the wrong word.
But he clearly lives in his own little world. If that makes more sense.
Remember when the pope came to the United States? How he chided us for not showing mercy? That we should give away what we have to the poor? We are such a wealthy nation. And then remember the great earthquake that took place in 1980 over in Italy? I remember when the pope came in to this ruined area, walked up to the bedside of some poor little wounded Italian man and the pope so benevolently laid his hand on his head and made the sign of the cross, blessed the man and walked off.
And the newscasters were telling of the devastation. And then we cut back to the United States and Senator Kennedy looked at the camera with sorrowful eyes and said, "Oh, we Americans, out of mercy we should send at least 45 million dollars to this devastated village so we can reconstruct it." Remember that? Now let me read something out of THE VATICAN BILLIONS by Avro Manhattan, and I think you're going to get as mad as I am right now. I want to bring to your attention the fact that this information was published 10 years ago, and the figures are probably even more startling today.
"The Vatican has large investments with the Rothschilds of Britain, France and America, with the Hambros Bank, with the Credit Suisse in London and Zurich. In the United States it has large investments with the Morgan Bank, the Chase-Manhattan Bank, the First National Bank of New York, the Bankers Trust Company, and others. The Vatican has billions of shares in the most powerful international corporations such as Gulf Oil, Shell, General Motors, Bethlehem Steel, General Electric, International Business Machines, T.W.A., etc. At a conservative estimate, these amount to more than 500 million dollars in the U.S.A. alone.
"In a statement published in connection with a bond prospectus, the Boston archdiocese listed its assets at Six Hundred and Thirty-five Million ($635,891,004), which is 9.9 times its liabilities. This leaves a net worth of Five Hundred and Seventy-one million dollars ($571,704,953). It is not difficult to discover the truly astonishing wealth of the church, once we add the riches of the twenty-eight archdioceses and 122 dioceses of the U.S.A., some of which are even wealthier than that of Boston.
"Some idea of the real estate and other forms of wealth controlled by the Catholic church may be gathered by the remark of a member of the New York Catholic Conference, namely 'that his church probably ranks second only to the United States Government in total annual purchase.' Another statement, made by a nationally syndicated Catholic priest, perhaps is even more telling. 'The Catholic church,' he said, 'must be the biggest corporation in the United States. We have a branch office in every neighborhood. Our assets and real estate holdings must exceed those of Standard Oil, A.T.&T., and U.S. Steel combined. And our roster of dues-paying members must be second only to the tax rolls of the United States Government.'
"The Catholic church, once all her assets have been put together, is the most formidable stockbroker in the world. The Vatican, independently of each successive pope, has been increasingly orientated towards the U.S. The Wall Street Journal said that the Vatican's financial deals in the U.S. alone were so big that very often it sold or bought gold in lots of a million or more dollars at one time.
"The Vatican's treasure of solid gold has been estimated by the United Nations World Magazine to amount to several billion dollars. A large bulk of this is stored in gold ingots with the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank, while banks in England and Switzerland hold the rest. But this is just a small portion of the wealth of the Vatican, which in the U.S. alone, is greater than that of the five wealthiest giant corporations of the country. When to that is added all the real estate, property, stocks and shares abroad, then the staggering accumulation of the wealth of the Catholic church becomes so formidable as to defy any rational assessment.
"The Catholic church is the biggest financial power, wealth accumulator and property owner in existence. She is a greater possessor of material riches than any other single institution, corporation, bank, giant trust, government or state of the whole globe. The pope, as the visible ruler of this immense amassment of wealth, is consequently the richest individual of the twentieth century. No one can realistically assess how much he is worth in terms of billions of dollars."
And I think back about how the pope, the wealthiest man on this planet, walked up to that poor little Italian man lying in that rubble, put his hand on his head, and said, "Bless you," and then walked away and just left him there. That has got to be the height of hypocrisy. And then Sen. Kennedy, the pope's boy over in the United States makes the big pitch to the U.S. people to foot the bill to repair that devastated village, right in the pope's backyard. What a set-up!
I questioned Dr. Rivera about the briefings he received in the Vatican when he was a Jesuit priest. I asked him if he was briefed on how the Vatican planned to take over the United States. He told me his indoctrination went back to the time of the Pilgrims. Because of the knowledge of the Inquisition and the slaughter of Christians by the Roman Catholic system, the early immigrants in America began passing laws to keep Jesuits out of this country and to outlaw the mass...to protect themselves from a Vatican take-over. These were Christian communities deeply concerned about the whore of Revelation.
Jesuits began arriving in America as early as the second group of Pilgrims. They used different names with I.D.'s. They were followed years later when the Vatican sent multitudes of Catholic families from England, Ireland and France posing as Protestants, into the colonies. These were plants. They were holding secret masses in defiance of the laws. In those days, no Roman Catholic was to hold any position in civil government. The Jesuits made sure this part of our history was erased and removed.
The next major move by the Jesuits was to destroy or control all the Christian schools across America. Throughout the years, Jesuits, working undercover, have gotten into special committees on school boards to remove the emphasis of the Bible and replace it with psychology as found in the Spiritual Exercises of Ignatius de Loyola, the founder of the Jesuit Society. Later, Catholic schools and universities sprang up all across the nation under the Jesuits. Today, they probably outnumber all the Christian schools and colleges put together.
The third stage was to move into the courts and legislation, and branches of the judiciary to take over as judges and lawyers, in order to manipulate the Constitution in their favor until it could be changed. Once this was accomplished, the thrust was into politics to capture the political parties. Then the military and the newspapers. Even back in the times of Lincoln over half the newspapers in the United States were controlled by the Vatican.
I asked Dr. Rivera: What about the military picture today? How Catholic is our military position?
Dr. Rivera said: Horrifying.
I then asked about the political picture.
Dr. Rivera said: It is even worse.
Then I said: What about the Catholic structure in the judiciary?
Dr. Rivera shook his head and said: It is very painful because of the heavy Jesuit penetration in this area. Most of the judicial decisions are distorting and perverting the Constitution of the United States to take away our freedoms, preparing the way for anarchy for the final take-over of the United States.
Then I said: Is this preparing the way for the coming inquisition?
And Dr. Rivera said: That's correct. First for anarchy. We were briefed that after all these years of penetration and infiltration, what was needed was riots and anarchy in order to finally take over. By the time the Roman Catholic Institution is ready to take over politically, militarily, educationally, and religiously, that means they will have some legal basis to do so and this will be through the concordat which has already been prepared and that is being already negotiated. I see happening right now what I was told during those briefings back in the Vatican.
Then I said to him: Is the Vatican behind our present recession and economic situation, and is this leading us towards the coming riots?
Dr. Rivera said: Yes, that's correct, You can see right now that the Vatican is playing certain tricks with the economy. The world is going through an economic crisis and the Vatican would have us to believe that it is affecting them also. This is just a cover-up.
And then I said: What about the possibility of strikes? And how deeply are they involved in the unions?
Dr. Rivera replied: The Roman Catholic Institution has prepared that well, because the unions are led by the Jesuits in this country. What this means is the unions will never rest until they see that everyindustry in this country collapses.
Then I said: What do you see as a hope for the United States? A revival among the Christians and they actually start exposing Rome and pastors start preaching this from the pulpits, or is it already too late?
Dr Rivera replied: It's never too late because it's in the hands of the Lord. What I believe with all my heart through the study of the scriptures plus my personal experience with the harlot is that, prophetically speaking, God is going to fulfill His prophecy, and He will allow these prophecies to take place in the United States. But it is a matter of time. What we are dealing with here is that God can either shorten or lengthen the time until these events take place. The Roman Catholic Institution is feeling the impact of your publications, and the message that God has given us during these last days in the sense that they themselves know that if they carry out certain actions, people will immediately detect and will recognize what the Vatican is up to.
This is one of the dilemmas they face right now. If it were not for the publications we printed, we would be in a different situation today. What that means is the Lord has granted every Christian, pastor and church in the United States, without them even being aware of it, and even those who are opposing us, they are being preserved and the Lord is giving us more time in order that the Christians may respond.
If we act according to the will of God in these prophetical days against the tricks, programs and actions of the harlot in the United States, we will not be able to destroy her. We will not be able to stop her. But we will be able to do two things: First, to carry the message of the gospel to the lost Roman Catholic people. Second, we will have time enough for the Christian church to realize that her mission is here and now - not tomorrow. And God is just waiting for the church to act in order to restrain the forces of evil, the powers of darkness, the pope, the Jesuits and the Catholic institution from committing the crimes she is about to put into action the minute she completely takes over the United States.
Then I said: Now this is the information you received in the Vatican under the teachings of Augustin Cardinal Bea and the Jesuit General Pedro Arrupe?
And Dr. Rivera said: Yes, and also from the previous Jesuit General.
Then I said: Were they very confident of taking over the United States?
And Dr. Rivera said: Very much so, very confident. They have the necessary influence to control either political party, regardless of whichever party is in power, and they will have their goals accomplished.
Then I said: So they now have the influence to control both political parties?
And Dr. Rivera said: Yes.
Then I said: They control our post office? And the media?
And Dr. Rivera said: Let's put it this way. The word control, I don't think is the proper word right now. I will say this. There is a very strong influence. There is a certain amount of control, but it is not absolute control in any of the areas. This is why we are still blessed by the fact that there are still men in the FBI, there are men in the CIA, men in the Congress, men in the Senate, men in the judicial system, men in every strata of life in the United States that still, many not even being Christians, are still Americans, that are still loyal to the principles of the Constitution as given from the beginning, not as it is now.
And then I said: Okay, who are the Knights of Columbus loyal to? Where does their loyalty stand? With the United States, or with the Vatican?
Dr. Rivera said: The Knights of Columbus have to give their loyalty to the pope. They cannot base it on the constitution of the United States because they would be destroyed by the Vatican if they did so, as others have been destroyed in the past.
Then I said: Will the Knights of Columbus play a vital part in the attack against the Christians when the U.S. falls?
Dr. Rivera said: Oh, yes. In fact, in their oath, you can see how close their alliance is to the pope. They committed themselves to be killed or destroyed if they fail to comply with their oath. They ask the militia of the pope, the Jesuits, to put them to death. They are committed to make America Catholic.
Then I said: Thank God we've had the privilege of printing these books.
And Dr. Rivera said: Yes, the privilege and the blessing of the Lord.
And then I thanked Him.
Let me read something to you: "Life" magazine reviewed one phase of Roman Catholic power in America. The leading story of the May 27th, 1957 edition was devoted to the 75th year of the Knights of Columbus. The pictures, many in full color, depicted the kind of pomp and circumstance which goes into Roman strategy. The legions of Rome are awesome. More than one million practicing Catholics make up the ranks of the Knights of Columbus. They are fraternally pledged to the ideal of bringing America under papal rule. They are powerful, wealthy, loyal. Little wonder that the Pope affectionately describes the Knights as "the right lay arm of the Catholic Church in America."
I believe, if we had kept silent, in 5 years it would have been over. The plans for the take-over would have been in full operation. No one would have been able to withstand it. But because we did go ahead with ALBERTO, I believe we knocked back their time-table at least 5 years. And our hope and prayer here is that with the material we're publishing we'll be able to wreck their time-table for at least a generation, that our children can survive before they unleash their holocaust against us.
I can almost hear some of the comments now: "Hey, Chick, that's speculation. You have only Dr. Rivera's word on that. What proof do you have the Vatican wants to destroy or take over the United States?"
Well, most of you have never read the great Christian classic, 50 YEARS IN THE 'CHURCH' OF ROME by Charles Chiniquy. It was out of print, but we reprinted it at Chick Publications, and believe me, the Jesuits hate this book. I would like to quote the words of Abraham Lincoln regarding the Civil War as found in 50 YEARS IN THE 'CHURCH' OF ROME: "This war would never have been possible without the sinister influence of the Jesuits. We owe it to popery that we now see our land reddened with the blood of her noblest sons. Though there were great differences of opinion between the South and the North on the question of slavery, neither Jeff Davis nor anyone of the leading men of the Confederacy would have dared to attack the North, had they not relied on the promises of the Jesuits, that, under the mask of Democracy, the money and the arms of the Roman Catholic, even the arms of France were at their disposal, if they would attack us. I pity the priests, the bishops and monks of Rome in the United States, when the people realize that they are, in great part, responsible for the tears and the blood shed in this war. I conceal what I know, on that subject, from the knowledge of the nation; for if the people knew the whole truth, this war would turn into a religious war, and it would at once, take a tenfold more savage and bloody character. It would become merciless as all religious wars are. It would become a war of extermination on both sides. The Protestants of both the North and the South would surely unite to exterminate the priests and the Jesuits, if they could hear what Professor Morse has said to me of the plots made in the very city of Rome to destroy this Republic, and if they could learn how the priests, the nuns, and the monks, which daily land on our shores, under the pretext of preaching their religion, instructing the people in their schools, taking care of the sick in the hospitals, are nothing else but the emissaries of the Pope, of Napoleon, and the other despots of Europe, to undermine our institutions, alienate the hearts of our people from our constitution, and our laws, destroy our schools, and prepare a reign of anarchy here as they have done in Ireland, in Mexico, in Spain, and wherever there are any people who want to be free."
And then President Abraham Lincoln went on to say: "Is it not an absurdity to give to a man a thing which he is sworn to hate, curse, and destroy? And does not the Church of Rome hate, curse and destroy liberty of conscience whenever she can do it safely? I am for liberty of conscience in its noblest, broadest, highest sense. But I cannot give liberty of conscience to the Pope and to his followers, the Papists, so long as they tell me, through all their councils, theologians, and canon laws, that their conscience orders them to bum my wife, strangle my children, and cut my throat when they find their opportunity! This does not seem to be understood by the people today. But sooner or later, the light of common sense will make it clear to every one that no liberty of conscience can be granted to men who are sworn to obey a Pope, who pretends to have the right to put to death those who differ from him in religion."
That, beloved, was said back at the time of the Civil War, and it completely backs up the information Dr. Rivera has given us.
Did you hear that? Were you really listening? Did it sink in what President Abraham Lincoln said? Now think back to that interview I had with Dr. Rivera that I told you about. You've got to understand that when Dr. Rivera was a Jesuit priest under that awful oath and induction, he was in the deepest area of the Vatican's intelligence. He was in the cloak and dagger business for the whore of Revelation. Isn't it logical that the Vatican must disavow any knowledge of Dr. Rivera's existence? All intelligence agencies do this to their deep agents. It's common knowledge. What you heard on that interview is what Dr. Rivera received in his Vatican briefings given to him by the Jesuit General on how the Roman Catholic Institution plans to take over the United States.
Don't you see that Dr. Rivera is bringing forth the same information, and it completely backs up and coincides with what Abraham Lincoln said, to warn us? And people say that Chick Publications is coming off the wall! While we're sounding the alarm, Rome is pushing as hard as she can in the area of Civil Rights to block our religious freedom and to stop us from calling her the whore of Revelation. Already in Canada, they have banned two of our books, calling them pornography.* They'll move heaven and earth to keep this material out of your hands, and to keep it from being broadcast. I thank God Dr. Rivera arrived on the scene when he did because in a few short years we would have all been muzzled.
Is what I'm saying sinking in? Beloved, now when you turn on the evening news, you'll see it in a different light because you're going to see the hand of Rome in world politics.
Let's wake up, beloved. We're not a bunch of little two-year olds anymore. Pastors need to wake up. You deacons and church members need to wake up because your kids are going to be destroyed in a few short years if you don't. I'm referring especially to those pastors who are pushing bubbly love to everyone, and who turn white and break into a cold sweat when anything controversial comes along. Do you think the priests of Rome respect you for that? Let me tell you, pastors, they hate the ground you walk on and hold you in nothing but contempt. They secretly look at you like scum under their feet. I was recently told that in 1949, an ex-Jesuit priest told a Rev. Eubanks in California, that when the Vatican takes control of the United States, every pastor and his family will be shot in the head.
You know, we sent a copy of THE GODFATHERS to 100 local pastors, and do you know how many had the courage, or the courtesy, to respond? Not one. You know the Bible says that judgment begins in the house of God. And unless we wake up, it's going to happen here.
If the pastors are men, then let's act like men of God and start thundering the Word of God from the pulpits. The thin line is in the pulpits holding back the forces of hell. Once that caves in, it will be underground churches for America. And then they're going to hunt us down like rats, And they'll show us as much mercy as they did in Yugoslavia. Remember, the priest said it was not a sin to kill a child of 7. Only this time, there will be no United States to defend you. Where are you going to run? To Mexico? It's gone. Canada? It's almost gone. Ireland? Forget it. They're picking it off now. No place to go, beloved. Only to the Lord, and time is running out. We are on a razor's edge. It's time to get on our knees and stop this fooling around, and putting on the pious act.
If your pastor doesn't have the courage to stand against Rome, you need to make him aware of this information, and that it is his responsibility to make his people aware of it too. And if he won't, then you must make the stand.
You can now expect to see the supporters of the Vatican start blasting Chiniquy for daring to quote Abraham Lincoln in his book, 50 YEARS IN THE 'CHURCH' OF ROME. We're in a war, beloved, and I thank God the Lord has directed us to prepare the ammunition you'll need from Chick Publications to give you back-up and background, and you'll know how to face the lost Roman Catholics after you've gone into prayer. Because, if you don't turn into a soulwinning church, the whore is going to have you and your grandchildren for breakfast. Have you already forgotten the screams that filled the night air in Paris during the St. Bartholomew massacre? Have you forgotten the little pregnant mothers tied to the tree branches, begging for mercy in Ireland while the dogs were fighting underneath for their unborn children? And the bloody knives in the hands of those smirking fanatics driven on by their priests to butcher these Christian ladies? Have you forgotten these bloodbaths that were quoted in Foxe's Book of Martyrs? The Vatican wants you to forget it. Have you forgotten what took place in Yugoslavia ... Catholic priests impaling children on stakes as they screamed in agony in 1940? You better never forget it! And don't forget that it was at a time of peace, love and kindness just before each attack, just like today, beloved. And don't you forget one million Knights of Columbus in the United States have sworn to turn America into a papal state. God help us. You don't think it's coming here? You don't think history repeats itself? It's time to get sober and turn into spiritual soldiers, and start arming yourselves with the helmet of salvation and the shield of faith, and the sword of the Spirit, realizing the forces of darkness can be held back.
We have a common enemy, beloved. It's time to get back to Christ, and start showing mercy and compassion to the precious Roman Catholic people who have been betrayed by their leaders. If we don't, their blood will be on our hands. We must make an effort to win them to Christ.
Corporal, the difference between Jack Chick and someone like say, you, my mother, or any of the other devout christians I know is a pretty big one.
I have never seen anything to indicate that Chick is anything resembling a decent person. All I know about him are his comics, which are bizarre, rambling, often quite obviously hateful fantasies.
Now, the guy doesn't appear to be say, a racist, so I guess there's that, but I still have a really hard time comprehending why you're defending him.
The reason I like Jack Chick is he doesn't sugarcoat things or try to weasel around or rationalize the gospel he's preaching. You personally may not like the message he's preaching, but he's not lying to you or anyone else, nor is he glossing over anything in the process.
One of the two reasons why he and other fundamentalists are such hardasses on this issue is Revelation 3:16 which is a commandment by God to "run either hot or cold" or don't bother at all. The other reason is the latter half of the New Testament, which most progressive "feel-good" so-called "modern Christian" movements completely ignore because it warns (exhaustively) about the corruption of the Gospels or the nitpicking of it to omit or add things to conform to what society at large wants to hear, and they don't want to hear any form of condemnation. Just the fluffy feel-good parts. Jack doesn't do that, he sticks to his guns and that's respectable.
And repeating myself from above, he's been doing this for what- 50 years now? All in the pursuit to spread salvation. That's the point of every single tract he puts out and nothing more. And what he's doing isn't "hateful", what he's doing is no different than any other religion on the face of the earth. They all claim to have the roadmap to salvation and he's going by the rules of his faith.
well you have to wonder what kind of person would do what such a god commands
I think this follows from the belief that God is exactly as taught in fundamentalist Christianity, and that His actions can be trusted to be absolutely just even when this appears counter to fallible human intuition.
The reason I like Jack Chick is he doesn't sugarcoat things or try to weasel around or rationalize the gospel he's preaching. You personally may not like the message he's preaching, but he's not lying to you or anyone else, nor is he glossing over anything in the process.
One of the two reasons why he and other fundamentalists are such hardasses on this issue is Revelation 3:16 which is a commandment by God to "run either hot or cold" or don't bother at all. The other reason is the latter half of the New Testament, which most progressive "feel-good" so-called "modern Christian" movements completely ignore because it warns (exhaustively) about the corruption of the Gospels or the nitpicking of it to omit or add things to conform to what society at large wants to hear, and they don't want to hear any form of condemnation. Just the fluffy feel-good parts. Jack doesn't do that, he sticks to his guns and that's respectable.
And repeating myself from above, he's been doing this for what- 50 years now? All in the pursuit to spread salvation. That's the point of every single tract he puts out and nothing more. And what he's doing isn't "hateful", what he's doing is no different than any other religion on the face of the earth. They all claim to have the roadmap to salvation and he's going by the rules of his faith.
If Jack Chick were simply repeating Biblical teachings I could perhaps buy this, but that's not what he does. Many of the things he condemns are not in the Bible, meaning that he is offering his own interpretation. This may be all that he's doing, but if so it strikes me as pretty fishy that by his interpretation the Bible is apparently against everything foreign to a particular subset of Anglo-American culture, which is exclusive to the modern United States.
Furthermore, if he's not hateful, I have to wonder why his tracts are so lacking in any nuance in their portrayal of the people they condemn. A minority are presented as having been misled by other, malicious characters, and are invariably shown to be completely naïve about Christianity and the rest of the world prior to their conversion to Christianity, but the vast majority of Catholics, Muslims, science teachers, homosexuals, etc. in the Jack Chick universe are presented as ugly, sinister characters motivated by nothing more than selfishness and spite. To me that says 'hateful', not merely devout.
To be perfectly fair to Jack, I do remember a tract he once wrote saying that gay-bashing was unchristian and he's leagues better than Fred Phelps.
Still kind of a nut, but I always got the impression he was either impressively sheltered or impressively dense, which doesn't say "evil" to me. I can see how people might use Chick rhetoric or misinformation he's spread for unsavoury purposes, though.
Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.
Many of the things he condemns are not in the Bible, meaning that he is offering his own interpretation. This may be all that he's doing, but if so it strikes me as pretty fishy that by his interpretation the Bible is apparently against everything foreign to a particular subset of Anglo-American culture, which is exclusive to the modern United States.
Actually, the origins of Jack Chick's brand of Christianity are almost entirely British. His main source on other world religions -- other than the King James Bible -- is a book called The Two Babylons, by Rev. Alexander Hislop, and first published in Britain in 1916 and didn't find its way to America until will into 1943. It's available in its entirely to read online here.
Whether Hislop's brand of theological thought on Christianity has any representation in the UK anymore, I have no idea. Here in the United States, though, it's mostly held by a good part of the Southern Baptist convention.
Furthermore, if he's not hateful, I have to wonder why his tracts are so lacking in any nuance in their portrayal of the people they condemn.
The current hypothesis on this is while Jack was serving in WWII, he witnessed the propaganda/leaflet war from all three sides. The blunt message and portrayal of the meaning and people represented, which were effective at getting the message across if not just convincing, are what inspired Chick to do the same. In order to ensure that everyone gets the message, they have to be immediately understandable to everyone, from scholars to dullards.
A minority are presented as having been misled by other, malicious characters, and are invariably shown to be completely naïve about Christianity and the rest of the world prior to their conversion to Christianity, but the vast majority of Catholics, Muslims, science teachers, homosexuals, etc. in the Jack Chick universe are presented as ugly, sinister characters motivated by nothing more than selfishness and spite. To me that says 'hateful', not merely devout.
This is because Jack considers salvation to be completely serious business, and as a devout Christian this is to be expected. His method to accomplish this is to deliver the message as bluntly as possible, so as to drive the point home. He utilizes ugly characterizations for every hindrance portrayed in his books, but he doesn't assign such a caricature for every Muslim, Catholic, homosexual, science teacher. Insensitive? Sure, I'll give you that. Hateful? No. People who hate others don't try to save their souls. That's all Jack does, he just doesn't water it down which is really the reason everyone gets so upset at him.
If Jack Chick were simply repeating Biblical teachings I could perhaps buy this, but that's not what he does.
Jack really does go into conspiracy on some points. Catholicism creating Islam, using Dungeons and Dragons to cast a spell on your parents to buy you more Dungeons and Dragons, the Dr. Rivera series, and for a while the "red" horseman was taken to be the USSR itself (maybe it's China now, I dunno.) If you take a look at Hislop's book I linked to above, you'll likely draw the same conclusions about his work as well. Where he gets a lot of these notions, I have no idea. Others have come forward to discredit Rivera. I don't know what to say about these tangents he's gone off on.
Aside from that, he attacks Catholicism and Islam because he sees them as corruptions of Christianity and Judaism, and this ties back into what I mentioned above: the latter half of the New Testament which Christianity as a whole tries to ignore the best they can because it's the bitter part that nobody likes to preach or hear -- except for the likes of Jack Chick. Most of these books, including the first half of Revelations, go on tirelessly about keeping corruption of any and every sort out of the church and gospel with very specific examples spelled out with instructions on how to fix them. For example, over in Asia Minor a new Christian sect decided that he best way to get more converts from paganism was to incorporate some of the pagan practices that everyone likes to ease them into this new religion. Paul sent off a fiery letter (which is in Revelations) where he tells them to cut that shit out right now or get the hell out. Jack interprets the Catholic church of doing the exact same thing so how he handles this in his comics isn't so surprising.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Jack interprets the Catholic church of doing the exact same thing so how he handles this in his comics isn't so surprising.
And to be fair to Mr. Chick, the Catholic church is tolerant of certain practices that have pagan roots, Día de los Muertos comes to mind.
On the other hand, it's not like it's not well known that many Christmas traditions borrow from pagan roots as well.
I wonder what Mr. Chick's perception of Christmas trees are. I'm wondering if he will tolerate some of this stuff within limit, and he just has a stricter limit than the Catholic church.
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
Actually, the origins of Jack Chick's brand of Christianity are almost entirely British. His main source on other world religions -- other than the King James Bible -- is a book called The Two Babylons, by Rev. Alexander Hislop, and first published in Britain in 1916 and didn't find its way to America until will into 1943. It's available in its entirely to read online here.
Whether Hislop's brand of theological thought on Christianity has any representation in the UK anymore, I have no idea. Here in the United States, though, it's mostly held by a good part of the Southern Baptist convention.
This. Chick preaches a type of fundamental Baptism that gets its more occult aspects from 19th century fringe Anglicans. For instance, the rapture was invented by this guy.
Actually, the origins of Jack Chick's brand of Christianity are almost entirely British. His main source on other world religions -- other than the King James Bible -- is a book called The Two Babylons, by Rev. Alexander Hislop, and first published in Britain in 1916 and didn't find its way to America until will into 1943. It's available in its entirely to read online here.
Actually, it was from the 19th century and published in 1919
Whether Hislop's brand of theological thought on Christianity has any representation in the UK anymore, I have no idea. Here in the United States, though, it's mostly held by a good part of the Southern Baptist convention.
It has been widely discarded as the writings of a loony.
Jack interprets the Catholic church of doing the exact same thing so how he handles this in his comics isn't so surprising.
And to be fair to Mr. Chick, the Catholic church is tolerant of certain practices that have pagan roots, Día de los Muertos comes to mind.
On the other hand, it's not like it's not well known that many Christmas traditions borrow from pagan roots as well.
I wonder what Mr. Chick's perception of Christmas trees are. I'm wondering if he will tolerate some of this stuff within limit, and he just has a stricter limit than the Catholic church.
This one will most certainly draw a lot of fire from fellow believers. However, the truth must be told!!! First, I must say that, NO, I am not a Jehovah's Witness. If you want to attach a denomination to me it would be Baptist. However, I am just a child of the King, Jesus Christ.
The Christmas celebration as we know it today, is clearly pagan in origin, that is it has Satan's prints all over it. When researching it anyone can see it is clearly not a Christian holiday. What bothers me is so many preachers know what it is and still do nothing about it. They stand in the pulpit year after year and do not tell the "flock", that it is one of the pagans most sacred days. Why is this? Do these men of God not know about it? The reason is the "flock" would not accept it and would run the preacher off!! They will let the "flock" drown in sin at risk of loosing their pay check and position. It boils down to no GUTS!! I get mail daily from pagans and once in awhile they will slip in the fact that the church celebrates their holiday, and they are correct!!! Its time for Gods people to get some backbone and stop the non-sense. We best do something or God will.
Some will argue that as long as one knows that its is Jesus that we celebrate, it is ok. How wrong that thinking is. We see in the old testament time and time again, that when Gods people incorporated paganism in worship, God brought judgment to the nation. It is no different today. The Roman Catholic church in is desire to convert the heathen, mingled the ways of the pagan's (witchcraft), into the church. Easter is another one that has paganism mingled with Jesus.
Below are links to sites with well researched info. I am not the author of these pages, but agree that Christmas as it is, should not be in the church or a born again Christians life.
Here is a ruling by a judge. He says there is more secular purpose to Christmas then religious. What a shame..
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
^ It's shenanigans like this that made the English end the Commonwealth.
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i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
how did I miss this one?
parents gotta stop lying to their kids about santa, then we won't have any more murderers and stuff.
pure, simple logic.
is better than all webcomics combined
Edit: Fixed
comic panels, you can still pretty much understand what's going or
what's being conveyed from panel to panel. His comics have a lot of
words, but not so much that they diminish the comic itself.
True, he does have good expressions. I don't really like his art very much in general. Something about it rubs me the wrong way
Corporal, the difference between Jack Chick and someone like say, you, my mother, or any of the other devout christians I know is a pretty big one.
I have never seen anything to indicate that Chick is anything resembling a decent person. All I know about him are his comics, which are bizarre, rambling, often quite obviously hateful fantasies.
Now, the guy doesn't appear to be say, a racist, so I guess there's that, but I still have a really hard time comprehending why you're defending him.
edit: Actually perhaps hateful is the wrong word.
But he clearly lives in his own little world. If that makes more sense.
Remember when the pope came to the United States? How he chided us for not showing mercy? That we should give away what we have to the poor? We are such a wealthy nation. And then remember the great earthquake that took place in 1980 over in Italy? I remember when the pope came in to this ruined area, walked up to the bedside of some poor little wounded Italian man and the pope so benevolently laid his hand on his head and made the sign of the cross, blessed the man and walked off.
And the newscasters were telling of the devastation. And then we cut back to the United States and Senator Kennedy looked at the camera with sorrowful eyes and said, "Oh, we Americans, out of mercy we should send at least 45 million dollars to this devastated village so we can reconstruct it." Remember that? Now let me read something out of THE VATICAN BILLIONS by Avro Manhattan, and I think you're going to get as mad as I am right now. I want to bring to your attention the fact that this information was published 10 years ago, and the figures are probably even more startling today.
"The Vatican has large investments with the Rothschilds of Britain, France and America, with the Hambros Bank, with the Credit Suisse in London and Zurich. In the United States it has large investments with the Morgan Bank, the Chase-Manhattan Bank, the First National Bank of New York, the Bankers Trust Company, and others. The Vatican has billions of shares in the most powerful international corporations such as Gulf Oil, Shell, General Motors, Bethlehem Steel, General Electric, International Business Machines, T.W.A., etc. At a conservative estimate, these amount to more than 500 million dollars in the U.S.A. alone.
"In a statement published in connection with a bond prospectus, the Boston archdiocese listed its assets at Six Hundred and Thirty-five Million ($635,891,004), which is 9.9 times its liabilities. This leaves a net worth of Five Hundred and Seventy-one million dollars ($571,704,953). It is not difficult to discover the truly astonishing wealth of the church, once we add the riches of the twenty-eight archdioceses and 122 dioceses of the U.S.A., some of which are even wealthier than that of Boston.
"Some idea of the real estate and other forms of wealth controlled by the Catholic church may be gathered by the remark of a member of the New York Catholic Conference, namely 'that his church probably ranks second only to the United States Government in total annual purchase.' Another statement, made by a nationally syndicated Catholic priest, perhaps is even more telling. 'The Catholic church,' he said, 'must be the biggest corporation in the United States. We have a branch office in every neighborhood. Our assets and real estate holdings must exceed those of Standard Oil, A.T.&T., and U.S. Steel combined. And our roster of dues-paying members must be second only to the tax rolls of the United States Government.'
"The Catholic church, once all her assets have been put together, is the most formidable stockbroker in the world. The Vatican, independently of each successive pope, has been increasingly orientated towards the U.S. The Wall Street Journal said that the Vatican's financial deals in the U.S. alone were so big that very often it sold or bought gold in lots of a million or more dollars at one time.
"The Vatican's treasure of solid gold has been estimated by the United Nations World Magazine to amount to several billion dollars. A large bulk of this is stored in gold ingots with the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank, while banks in England and Switzerland hold the rest. But this is just a small portion of the wealth of the Vatican, which in the U.S. alone, is greater than that of the five wealthiest giant corporations of the country. When to that is added all the real estate, property, stocks and shares abroad, then the staggering accumulation of the wealth of the Catholic church becomes so formidable as to defy any rational assessment.
"The Catholic church is the biggest financial power, wealth accumulator and property owner in existence. She is a greater possessor of material riches than any other single institution, corporation, bank, giant trust, government or state of the whole globe. The pope, as the visible ruler of this immense amassment of wealth, is consequently the richest individual of the twentieth century. No one can realistically assess how much he is worth in terms of billions of dollars."
And I think back about how the pope, the wealthiest man on this planet, walked up to that poor little Italian man lying in that rubble, put his hand on his head, and said, "Bless you," and then walked away and just left him there. That has got to be the height of hypocrisy. And then Sen. Kennedy, the pope's boy over in the United States makes the big pitch to the U.S. people to foot the bill to repair that devastated village, right in the pope's backyard. What a set-up!
I asked Dr. Rivera: What about the military picture today? How Catholic is our military position?
Dr. Rivera said: Horrifying.
I then asked about the political picture.
Dr. Rivera said: It is even worse.
Then I said: What about the Catholic structure in the judiciary?
Dr. Rivera shook his head and said: It is very painful because of the heavy Jesuit penetration in this area. Most of the judicial decisions are distorting and perverting the Constitution of the United States to take away our freedoms, preparing the way for anarchy for the final take-over of the United States.
Then I said: Is this preparing the way for the coming inquisition?
And Dr. Rivera said: That's correct. First for anarchy. We were briefed that after all these years of penetration and infiltration, what was needed was riots and anarchy in order to finally take over. By the time the Roman Catholic Institution is ready to take over politically, militarily, educationally, and religiously, that means they will have some legal basis to do so and this will be through the concordat which has already been prepared and that is being already negotiated. I see happening right now what I was told during those briefings back in the Vatican.
Then I said to him: Is the Vatican behind our present recession and economic situation, and is this leading us towards the coming riots?
Dr. Rivera said: Yes, that's correct, You can see right now that the Vatican is playing certain tricks with the economy. The world is going through an economic crisis and the Vatican would have us to believe that it is affecting them also. This is just a cover-up.
And then I said: What about the possibility of strikes? And how deeply are they involved in the unions?
Dr. Rivera replied: The Roman Catholic Institution has prepared that well, because the unions are led by the Jesuits in this country. What this means is the unions will never rest until they see that everyindustry in this country collapses.
Then I said: What do you see as a hope for the United States? A revival among the Christians and they actually start exposing Rome and pastors start preaching this from the pulpits, or is it already too late?
Well, in that case he can claim all he likes.
*shrug*
(this is not my belief)
If Jack Chick were simply repeating Biblical teachings I could perhaps buy this, but that's not what he does. Many of the things he condemns are not in the Bible, meaning that he is offering his own interpretation. This may be all that he's doing, but if so it strikes me as pretty fishy that by his interpretation the Bible is apparently against everything foreign to a particular subset of Anglo-American culture, which is exclusive to the modern United States.
Furthermore, if he's not hateful, I have to wonder why his tracts are so lacking in any nuance in their portrayal of the people they condemn. A minority are presented as having been misled by other, malicious characters, and are invariably shown to be completely naïve about Christianity and the rest of the world prior to their conversion to Christianity, but the vast majority of Catholics, Muslims, science teachers, homosexuals, etc. in the Jack Chick universe are presented as ugly, sinister characters motivated by nothing more than selfishness and spite. To me that says 'hateful', not merely devout.
Still kind of a nut, but I always got the impression he was either impressively sheltered or impressively dense, which doesn't say "evil" to me. I can see how people might use Chick rhetoric or misinformation he's spread for unsavoury purposes, though.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
This one will most certainly draw a lot of fire from fellow believers. However, the truth must be told!!! First, I must say that, NO, I am not a Jehovah's Witness. If you want to attach a denomination to me it would be Baptist. However, I am just a child of the King, Jesus Christ.
The Christmas celebration as we know it today, is clearly pagan in origin, that is it has Satan's prints all over it. When researching it anyone can see it is clearly not a Christian holiday. What bothers me is so many preachers know what it is and still do nothing about it. They stand in the pulpit year after year and do not tell the "flock", that it is one of the pagans most sacred days. Why is this? Do these men of God not know about it? The reason is the "flock" would not accept it and would run the preacher off!! They will let the "flock" drown in sin at risk of loosing their pay check and position. It boils down to no GUTS!! I get mail daily from pagans and once in awhile they will slip in the fact that the church celebrates their holiday, and they are correct!!! Its time for Gods people to get some backbone and stop the non-sense. We best do something or God will.
Some will argue that as long as one knows that its is Jesus that we celebrate, it is ok. How wrong that thinking is. We see in the old testament time and time again, that when Gods people incorporated paganism in worship, God brought judgment to the nation. It is no different today. The Roman Catholic church in is desire to convert the heathen, mingled the ways of the pagan's (witchcraft), into the church. Easter is another one that has paganism mingled with Jesus.
Below are links to sites with well researched info. I am not the author of these pages, but agree that Christmas as it is, should not be in the church or a born again Christians life.
Here is a ruling by a judge. He says there is more secular purpose to Christmas then religious. What a shame..
^ It's shenanigans like this that made the English end the Commonwealth.
Old Olly wasn't jolly in general and he disbanded parliament.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis