Star Wars: The Last Jedi

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  • edited 2017-12-18 18:57:22
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    The Jedi continue their long tradition of being prankmasters.

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    Bill Weasley and the telegram guy from Lincoln continue to be murderous jerks.

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    Rey continues to take useful items and abandoned valuables without asking permission.
  • edited 2017-12-18 18:57:57
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    For the very last time, the day is saved by Skywalker the Jedi from Tattooine and Skywalker the royal senator gal.

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    For the very last time, Admiral Giel Ackbar has to see of ships full of good men sacrificed to buy crucial time.

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    For the very last time, that pure sky-blue laser blade shines as bright as hope.
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    Holdo remembers the last line of dialogue of our fearless leader Prince Jake Berenson in book 54.

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    Scumbag casino guys do not remember how whips are actually used in horse racing.

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    The girl from the Ewoks movies does not remember to bring a jetpack, and somewhere, in the Star Wars afterlife, misters Fett and Fett are laughing at her.
  • edited 2017-12-25 01:15:00
    kill living beings
    the previous movie was like hey let's do star wars again

    this one was like no that's stupid let's fuck everything up

    at least as far as i read it. it would explain why some people hate it i've heard. but i was never very enamored of the original movies, so i'm a fan. i was hoping ren's "let's end everything" bit meant he was going to reform the First Order to be less obviously evil and add some moral ambiguity, since it seems like he really did work through some of his issues, but oh well.

    also the thing with the vice admiral bugged me for stupid plot hole reasons: 

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    of course they have to go through that as part of the "well maybe desperate suicide attacks aren't actually a good way to operate" deal, but in-universe-like she could have just like, clued dameron in before he did something stupid like he was obviously going to. and if you could do that with warp drive they probably should do kamikaze attacks more often (like, at least for those two frigates that got destroyed?) even if they wouldn't be as effective as with the whole cruiser.

    really my favorite thing was that they had this huge epic finale with everything getting destroyed, and then five minutes later they do it again, but more pathetic, because they've blown each other to bits
  • Eternity is a child playing, playing checkers; the kingdom belongs to a child.
    Cyndel’s still alive and will meet Wicket again I guarantee it
  • i get the feeling that this movie was not very gratifying by itself but did a lot of worldbuilding work
  • Hearts invoke the everlasting song. Multitudes, the Chariot of God.
    Sort of the opposite, if anything. It's a good movie in a vacuum, but the hardcore Star Wars fans disliked the implications of the worldbuilding. And certain of Luke Skywalker's actions contradicted how they believed he should act.
  • Well I guess I'm not a "hardcore Star Wars fan", haha.  But it seemed to me that the movie was
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    frequently tragic and didn't really have any really strongly gratifying moments
    , while it set the stage for many other things yet to come.
  • Hearts invoke the everlasting song. Multitudes, the Chariot of God.
  • MetaFour said:
    That's an interesting take on the story.

    I originally read it from an emotional perspective, seeing the story as
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    a series of disasters and failures one after another, thinning the ranks of the Resistance, failing to recruit Luke, almost turning Rey to the dark side, failing to disable the tracker, and of course all the military defeats and/or pyrrhic victories depending on how you see them.  If there was hope it was something that came at the end, with Luke's dramatic last stand against Kylo Ren and the whole "democratization of the Force" idea.


    But this is another interesting take on the article.  And I think this article is consistent with the observation (correct me if I'm wrong) that
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    had it not been for the attempt to disable the tracker, Holdo's plan might have cost only her own life rather than of a number of her fellow Resistance members whose escape pods were lost.

  • Hearts invoke the everlasting song. Multitudes, the Chariot of God.

    And I think this article is consistent with the observation (correct me if I'm wrong) that

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    had it not been for the attempt to disable the tracker, Holdo's plan might have cost only her own life rather than of a number of her fellow Resistance members whose escape pods were lost.

    Yeah, I think that's Rian Johnson's intended reading of that subplot.
  • edited 2018-01-04 18:48:29
    That's certainly what I got out of it. I think that was one of the things that bothered people about the movie. Personally it didn't ruin the whole thing for me but I do wish that
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    Holdo had been given a better reason for refusing to tell anyone her plan. Like, that article talks about how one might worry about a traitor on board...what if Holdo thinks there's a traitor, and thus has an excellent justification for keeping her plan to as few people as possible? Things still turn out tragic, but it's the unavoidable sort of tragedy that I find a little easier to stomach than the "everything goes to hell because our heroes are fucking morons" kind.

    (Of course, nothing in the movie actually contradicts the above.)

    Like people have defended it on the grounds that it's actually quite realistic for horrible tragedies to happen because people are dumb and suck at communicating, but since when the hell is Star Wars supposed to be realistic?

    By the way is it really worth tagging spoilers in here? This thread is pretty empty if you're reading it without clicking em, and I know that for me at least I avoided opening the thread at all before seeing the movie.
  • Hearts invoke the everlasting song. Multitudes, the Chariot of God.
    Yeah. As written, Holdo's reasons for not sharing the plan from the beginning only make sense in retrospect. If she had said she was worried there was a First Order mole aboard the ship, that would have made sense from the get-go, and would have eliminated most of the complaints about her role in the plot, I suspect.
  • edited 2018-01-04 18:52:02
    Very Concerned Gay Lion
    Some of the comments to that post you link seem to think that if her speech about hope had been rewritten to be more specific, that would’ve solved a lot of the problems people have with that part of the plot, and I’m inclined to agree with them.
  • Yeah, I don't think I'd characterize Holdo as a particularly great communicator.  Strategist, perhaps.
  • kill living beings
    even if she didn't want to announce it publically, she could have just told dameron, who would have had to be one fucking good spy, and was obviously going to be insubordinate if he didn't know anything
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