How did HH even start?

Viani

General question. I forgot where and how. Was it originally on TVT?

Imipolex G

Back around 2010, glennmagusharvey (blessed be he) started a thread on TVT called the Trash Heap, expressely for shitposting purposes. It ended up becoming its own little community, and the following year this spinoff forum was created by Anonus.

glennmagusharvey

It was spawned from the very first dedicated wonderposting thread on TVT, which I had created in order to quarantine wonderposting in an effort to keep Fast Eddie from banning this very amusing practice outright.

Yarrun XIX

That said, the community didn't really start coming alive until 2012, when the actions of the mods became so controversial that people started coming here in droves to get away from all the drama.

glennmagusharvey

I should mention that HH itself was founded in March 2011, if I recall correctly.

lee4hmz

Sometime around April 2012, we moved from Vanilla's free hosting (which had some limitations and was scheduled to be discontinued) to our own server at Linode.

Viani

Yarrun XIX said:

That said, the community didn't really start coming alive until 2012, when the actions of the mods became so controversial that people started coming here in droves to get away from all the drama.

Controversial? I think I missed that time.

lee4hmz

TVT was having issues with its content with respect to advertising (including getting shut down by Google twice), trolls had descended on the forums looking for "lolcows", and people were asking for things to change and Eddie in particular was being stubborn about it.

glennmagusharvey

ahh the google ad crises, lol

those were crazy times

also I remember that there was, for a very short time, a spitting war between TVT, Something Awful, and IJBM

lee4hmz

I believe there was also a secondary issue regarding how women were portrayed in the Creator/ pages, specifically how many of those pages were "boner notes" or drooling, skeevy paeans.

Viani

I remember that too. Something Awful began pointing and laughing, and IJBM members and TVT were going "I don't want Something Awful-senpai to think we're stupid, we wanna be cool too!" despite not knowing how these things work (its like they never went to highschool before).

glennmagusharvey

IJBM was definitely a third side in the war, dissing both TVT and Something Awful, if I recall correctly, though I don't remember whether SA dissed IJBM first or the other way around.

It was an amusing time I guess.

Bee

Yeah I was pretty much on SA's side on that one.  SA's not much better at times, but TVT got creeeeepy.

glennmagusharvey

And SA developed a habit of seeking out creepiness just to mock it.

That's like those people who rail against gays except they're actually closeted gay.

lee4hmz

I was rather disturbed by the creepiness once it was pointed out to me (and it's honestly one reason I won't touch All the Tropes now, since part of their mission statement was to retain a lot of what TVT eventually considered objectionable), but I also think SA (or possibly KiwiFarms, considering the source) singling out various "weirdos" for harassment was going too far.

Aliroz

Bee said:

Yeah I was pretty much on SA's side on that one.  SA's not much better at times, but TVT got creeeeepy.

I never found the creepy parts of Tv Tropes (I know they existed, but I was blessed to never actually stumble upon the worst stuff.  I mostly kept to a few specific threads).

All I knew was that people on SA were saying all sorts of incredibly harsh stuff about the first place on the internet I ever had friends, and it made me feel quite nervous and self-conscious, and also defensive of the people I considered friends.  The only criticism I remember actually being made of me was someone calling me an unfeeling autistic machine, but I was scared that at some point, people at SA would decide that I was a creepy weirdo who deserved extensive documentation and mockery.

HH felt like a less monitored place with many of the same people.  It seemed less likely that there would be an Uncyclopedia or ED article compiling all the stupid stuff I said if I posted here.  It also seemed less likely that I would run into creepy stuff.

glennmagusharvey

Yeah, I mostly kept to specific threads.  For the last few years I was active on TVT, I pretty much only ever checked my thread watchlist, which meant that I only saw threads about certain franchises I was interested in (e.g. Castlevania, Nanoha, etc.) or about certain issues (e.g. US politics thread, the thread about the crazy stuff happening in Crimea and east Ukraine) or certain threads that I kept on my list out of tradition (e.g. the Trash Heap thread), plus a few other threads about various trope improvement/rename/etc. discussions (mainly tropes I felt I had some sort of personal attachment/investment in).

I had already been burned by overinvolvement in TVT policy debates a while back, when I'd spend entire days arguing about the fate of rename proposals and such and I hated it.  So basically I didn't want to get invested.

Bee

SA really was nearly as bad.  There's a reason all -- what, four? -- of their TVT threads got gassed.

Aliroz

The Watchlist made it really easy to choose what parts of the site you wanted to be exposed to.  Almost like making your own forum, from whatever pieces of the TVT Forum you chose.

Threads not on my watchlist might as well not even have existed most of the time.

glennmagusharvey

Bee said:

SA really was nearly as bad.  There's a reason all -- what, four? -- of their TVT threads got gassed.

Yeah, I like to joke that those threads were so bad that even SA decided that they were bad.

I've heard that after a while, there was just a small group of people who kept on posting in them (i.e. digging up embarrassing stuff from tropers just to laugh at them) and basically everyone else didn't have a particularly high opinion of them (or at least what they did).

Good riddance to bad rubbish, of course.

Aliroz said:

The Watchlist made it really easy to choose what parts of the site you wanted to be exposed to.  Almost like making your own forum, from whatever pieces of the TVT Forum you chose.

Threads not on my watchlist might as well not even have existed most of the time.

I think this is precisely why I had basically no contact with a lot of the various controversies that people raged over.

I'm okay with this.

vtk

Aliroz said:

All I knew was that people on SA were saying all sorts of incredibly harsh stuff about the first place on the internet I ever had friends, and it made me feel quite nervous and self-conscious, and also defensive of the people I considered friends.

Yeah, the first time I ever heard of SA was because they viciously misrepresented a thing I liked and incited people to come hate in the chat room.

Sredni Vashtar

Something Awful probably has more problems at this point than TV Tropes does, which is an interesting sort of reversal.

Viani

I remember somebody named Fargle wanting to fit in on there REALLY BAD.

Odradek

Viani said:

I remember somebody named Fargle wanting to fit in on there REALLY BAD.

I mainly remember the time you owned him, tbh

Odradek

https://itjustbugsme.com/forums/discussion/4624/religious-apologists-and-antitheists-insulting-one-another/p2

Viani

I remember he would go on and on about me in that SA thread, posting my profile and everything i said in shitpost threads. But hey, I don't need to try to roast him back. His parents did that for me his entire childhood.

Calica

Sredni Vashtar said:

Something Awful probably has more problems at this point than TV Tropes does, which is an interesting sort of reversal.

lol who would pay ten dollars to post on an internet forum

Viani

Calica said:

Sredni Vashtar said:

Something Awful probably has more problems at this point than TV Tropes does, which is an interesting sort of reversal.

lol who would pay ten dollars to post on an internet forum

.....um....

AHHHHHHHHH GOTCHA! THREE DOG HERE, TO TELL YOU NOT TO BUY YOUR WAY INTO A SPECIAL CLUB

although that exclusivity is the reason why Slender Man started as an actual high quality hoax and not a Jeff the Killer level memespiracy.

Calica

(i posted on sa for a while.  though it was actually puffin giving out accounts with extra grant money.  also i paid five dollars for an avatar.  but i got banned because i posted in the hillary clinton toxx thread.)

Odradek

Most of SA's problems are Lowtax's eternal efforts to turn back time and make the 11 people who who are mentally stuck in 2001 and think saying "tr*nny" is hilarious, happy.

Because deep down he is one of those 11 people.

Yarrun XIX

Odradek said:

https://itjustbugsme.com/forums/discussion/4624/religious-apologists-and-antitheists-insulting-one-another/p2

It's like a vortex of terrible and I can't swim out. Viani fought well though.

glennmagusharvey

Calica said:

but i got banned because i posted in the hillary clinton toxx thread.)

haha lol wut

Yarrun XIX said:

Odradek said:

https://itjustbugsme.com/forums/discussion/4624/religious-apologists-and-antitheists-insulting-one-another/p2

It's like a vortex of terrible and I can't swim out. Viani fought well though.

?

Yarrun XIX

It's a religious argument where one of the sides is a 'bloody religious people and their sky wizard' type. It's like watching a train wreck.

Imipolex G

this thread went bad places

Fossilmaiden

glennmagusharvey said:

Calica said:

but i got banned because i posted in the hillary clinton toxx thread.)

haha lol wut

Them's the rules. On election years, each candidate has a "ban me if they lose" thread.

glennmagusharvey

Yarrun XIX said:

It's a religious argument where one of the sides is a 'bloody religious people and their sky wizard' type. It's like watching a train wreck.

ah

want some popcorn?

Fossilmaiden said:

glennmagusharvey said:

Calica said:

but i got banned because i posted in the hillary clinton toxx thread.)

haha lol wut

Them's the rules. On election years, each candidate has a "ban me if they lose" thread.

on one hand, ah.

on the other hand, haha lol wut, anew

Viani

Imipolex G said:

this thread went bad places

People wanna go bad places


Take Cinedigm Theatres for example

Imipolex G

never heard of it

Viani

Good.

Speaking of the birth of the heap, I dont' think new blood from the current TVT Trasheap knows this place exists

Tre

I've mentioned it and the IJBM thing, though the responses to both were mixed since the idea came up that people who were banned from TVT would just set up shop at one of the spinoffs.

Which, really, was kinda true, but really only in a way akin to how TVT itself could potentially have proven to be a breeding ground for malevolent folks on the Buffista forums when it first started; sure, some probably did do so, but most of the populace wasn't joining with ulterior motives.

vtk

Viani said:

Imipolex G said:

this thread went bad places

People wanna go bad places


Take Cinedigm Theatres for example

I've been in at least one of those several times.  Not sure which physical cinema it was. Maybe my former "favorite" theater, Movies 10, which was Cinemark for a long time, then Starplex for a while, and now it's AMC?  Might it have been a Cinedigm property somewhere in there?  Or maybe the Cinedigm branding was used in addition to Starplex?  Or maybe I'm just thinking of another location, like the Regal or the Drexel…  Anyway, I don't like Movies 10 so much now that it's AMC because suddenly it's more expensive and more crowded, there's a lot more ads before the feature, and what was the arcade is now a bar.

Viani

Tre said:

I've mentioned it and the IJBM thing, though the responses to both were mixed since the idea came up that people who were banned from TVT would just set up shop at one of the spinoffs.

Which, really, was kinda true, but really only in a way akin to how TVT itself could potentially have proven to be a breeding ground for malevolent folks on the Buffista forums when it first started; sure, some probably did do so, but most of the populace wasn't joining with ulterior motives.

I just remembered TVT came from Buffista

It's like Pilgrims constantly sailing to new waters, some of them ending up like this site

Klinotaxis

most of the pilgrims starved to death and shit

Viani

Like BTL and ATT

Viani

OH AND FETISH FUEL

Bee

Lord.  I'd say fuck Fetish Fuel, but that would only encourage them -_-

Viani

For all I care, Fetish Fuel can go fuck themselves seek approval from their extremely sadistic father who just enjoys making them feel inferior and never good enough until they become extremely maladjusted into adulthood and then pretend its not their fault.

glennmagusharvey

Bee said:

Lord.  I'd say fuck Fetish Fuel, but that would only encourage them -_-

when it comes to discouraging something sexual i usually say "unfuck" instead

because it's always fun to mock the internet for thinking too much about sex

Viani

glennmagusharvey said:

Bee said:

Lord.  I'd say fuck Fetish Fuel, but that would only encourage them -_-

when it comes to discouraging something sexual i usually say "unfuck" instead

because it's always fun to mock the internet for thinking too much about sex

YOU ARE WRONG DEAR GLENN, FOR IT IS BASE HUMANITY WHO THINKS TOO MUCH ABOUT SEX

[puts away giant tirade about the overcentralization of sex in white girl culture]

No no, little notepad file, I don't need you anymore! That is the old me....the younger me. I will no longer indulge that obsession and insecurity.






wait OH RIGHT unfuck


Yeah, to DENY THE SEX would be to INCITE SCORN upon Thine Life.

Imipolex G

I found the Fetish Fuel pages kind of fascinating, back in the day.

So many anonymous people willing to share their erotic fantasies with the interwebs.

Viani

I enjoyed them too

However a lot of Ad Companies were going "Why the hell are we getting so many hits from the Panty Shot and Lolicon pages"

I guess?

I remember people were trying to cyber in ONE of the FF pages and got Natterbanned