How many people have never seen American Psycho and have just seen the Hip To Be Square scene

I kinda wonder

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  • -raises hand-
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    Tre said:

    -raises hand-


  • edited 2017-04-05 18:31:30
    kill living beings
    yeah

    well i also saw another scene where he tells prostitutes to do weird things and then kills them
  • I don't think I've seen either
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    my roommate in college liked that movie and I ended up seeing parts of it as a result.

    I don't think he got it at all. He just thought it was hilarious.
  • https://twitter.com/BBW_BFF/status/847266778946326530?s=09

    I have not een able to get over this David Foster Wallace quote about Bret Easton Ellis that I saw recently.
  • Splat Charger Specialist
    That scene, and that one scene of them exchanging business cards but with like, 2000s forum signatures
  • also the scene from the end, and the beginning
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Hexartes said:

    https://twitter.com/BBW_BFF/status/847266778946326530?s=09

    I have not een able to get over this David Foster Wallace quote about Bret Easton Ellis that I saw recently.

    This is a good summary of why I like BEE and not DFW
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    I saw parts of the movie when Anonus and I were at a hotel in 2013
  • Odradek said:

    Hexartes said:

    https://twitter.com/BBW_BFF/status/847266778946326530?s=09

    I have not een able to get over this David Foster Wallace quote about Bret Easton Ellis that I saw recently.

    This is a good summary of why I like BEE and not DFW
    I do not follow.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Not everything has to be a symptom of a deep cultural pathology only you can diagnose, ya depressive dingus
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    And then being "a fucking human being" means endorsing John McCain for president and not aggressively hating people at the supermarket

    Oh, and creatively misreading Wittgenstein
  • Shrugs.

    I just started thinking about what I actually got out of American Psycho and realized his point about it being ugliness for its own non-helpful misanthropic sake was an entirely fair one.
  • For once, or maybe twice, I was in my prime.
    All I know about American Psycho is this horror-punk song about it.


  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Hexartes said:

    Shrugs.

    I just started thinking about what I actually got out of American Psycho and realized his point about it being ugliness for its own non-helpful misanthropic sake was an entirely fair one.

    i disagree but it doesn't matter
  • edited 2017-04-05 23:05:45
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Both are/were very interesting, flawed authors who are/were incredibly intelligent, fairly pretentious, serious assholes on an interpersonal level, and basically inextricable from a comprehensive understanding of modern literary fiction, particularly in the morbid satirical mode.

    (Talking about a dead author in the same terms as a living one who barely writes anymore is tricky, isn't it?)
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Also, I kind of don't appreciate how vitriolic you get whenever somebody says something positive about DFW or his work, because frequently you act exactly like the kind of obnoxious goons whose shitty attitudes about media actively trigger panic attacks in you, and it's really frustrating and upsetting.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    That is fair, and I will back off in the future
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    I just want to be able to talk about books without someone trying to get sweet dunks in on [insert target here]. It's half of why I didn't like IJBM: I couldn't bring up Ligotti without Alkthash being a massive fucking asshole because he'd read "Conversations in a Dead Language" once and didn't get it and had Opinions on pessimist philosophy.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    To the topic at hand, though: I've seen the movie twice, I think? It's pretty good, but there are scenes which outshine the rest, particularly the business cards and the final monologue. The music lecture scenes are also hilarious and unnerving.
  • tbh i feel its fair to, in response to one author talking critically about another author, talk about why one prefers one author to the other

    i mean, just bringing it up whenever one of them is brought up in a vacuum is annoying, but if anything this seems like one of the few times where having this discussion is fully warranted
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    This is true. It just stepped on a nerve because, y'know, while I think that quote is obnoxious, I actually like Wallace's writing, and interviews with him are frequently fascinating, and I often feel uncomfortable saying that here for, well, the reasons I outlined.
  • ive always wanted to check him out at some point as well, but still
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    He's very droll and too clever for his own good, but usually in a good way? He can be incredibly bleak and discomfiting as well, like in that story which is one of Sunn Wolf's favourites.
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    I kinda want to read DFW someday, too.
  • Munch munch, chomp chomp...
    I just want to add on that I've also felt exactly how Vash was talking about far as positivity about DFW goes (and you readily snark and whatnot at people everywhere it comes up), as well as noting that also applies to several other problematic or just plain sometimes frustrating people out there who I will not name but assume you've got clues as to who, and it's exhausting.

    If you want specifics, PM me. Otherwise I'm backing off again for exactly the same reason I didn't even bother engaging in the first place (i.e. surrounding vitriol).
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Wait people I react that way to when it comes up, or people that react in similar ways to other things?
  • Munch munch, chomp chomp...
    Former. Internet Commentator (who is not purely an asshole like TJ Kincaid, etc.) is mentioned in a conversation or tries to be discussed with you, it becomes awkward or worse.

    I should not multitask when trying to make these sorts of comments.
  • SHRUGS

    I think I own a DFW book that I haven't read, and apparently shouldn't bother because it's Wrong, or something? No one has ever fully articulated why though.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Hexartes said:

    SHRUGS

    I think I own a DFW book that I haven't read, and apparently shouldn't bother because it's Wrong, or something? No one has ever fully articulated why though.

    What book? If it's Infinite Jest it's probably hype backlash. Most of the people I know who've actually bothered to read it were positive about it.
  • Yeah, it is.

    But for fuck's sake, there are numerous things I cannot enjoy anymore because of the way discourse on this site goes
  • And it's more that I've gotten some vague idea from who knows where in particular that DFW is some obnoxious blowhard with nothing to offer, but again, never been elaborated on
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    I mean The Definitive Takedown is supposedly John Dolan, who is far more of an insufferable self-righteous depressive blowhard than either BEE or DFW could ever be

    Did I just piss of John Dolan fans

    man
  • I don't know!! Apparently everyone is just an insufferable jackass not worth listening to!!!!
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    My take on BEE and DFW is up there, and it's the impression I get from most of the people who I trust with literature opinions. Take it or leave it.
  • I was more referring to the deluge of people mentioned semi frequently here who I am expected to just instinctively know are pompous windbags
  • edited 2017-04-06 01:13:30

    I just want to be able to talk about books without someone trying to get sweet dunks in on [insert target here]. It's half of why I didn't like IJBM: I couldn't bring up Ligotti without Alkthash being a massive fucking asshole because he'd read "Conversations in a Dead Language" once and didn't get it and had Opinions on pessimist philosophy.

    sorry about that

    that said it's not like i'm familiar with the topic...probably a good thing i'm no longer mod here anyway because i just wouldn't know how to deal with stuff like this when it came up

    also i've been temped to make this a comparison between @Bee and the Dallas-Fort-Worth metropolitan area but no one would really care for a joke that stupid
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    I haven't read DFW or BEE, but I am much, much more interested in reading DFW, I'll say that.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Comparing the two past a certain point sort of denigrates both, methinks. Ellis is very much in the tradition of classic social satirists, just much darker in content, whereas Wallace is more... conventionally writerly, for better and for worse.
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.

    That scene, and that one scene of them exchanging business cards but with like, 2000s forum signatures

    yeah this is my situation
  • My dreams exceed my real life

    I have long had a lot of respect for the music criticism of Patrick Bateman. In his three oft-praised (and deservedly so) essays in American Psycho on poptimism and the rise of 1980s adult-contemporary, he scrutinizes the inescapable radio sound of the time, examining albums and artists so iconic, so popular, that they could have seemed too ubiquitous to bother to assess, to omnipresent to secure any critical distance from. Analyzing monoliths like Genesis’s Invisible Touch or Huey Lewis and the News’s Sports could easily have seemed as beside the point as evaluating the sunshine, or water (which Bateman also takes on, in a tour de force, back-of-a-cab lecture on the differences between mineral, spring, distilled, and purified waters and brands). But Bateman finds a way in by resolutely remaining on the surface, generating an implicit, searching critique through what his intentionally impoverished discourse — a masterful parody of  vapid promotional press releases, as well as the indifferent “service journalism” music reviews that derive from and populate them  — can’t say.

    His discussion of Invisible Touch is illustrative in this regard. It is not that the critical voice Bateman adopts is incapable of cogent insights: His claim that the album is “an epic meditation on intangibility” is plausible and not entirely banal, and the argument that the songs are “questioning authoritative control whether by domineering lovers or by government (“Land of Confusion”) or by meaningless repetition (“Tonight Tonight Tonight”)” is a provocative imaginative leap. But these points rest beside limp sub-clichés like “You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument” and “In terms of lyrical craftsmanship and sheer songwriting skills this album hits a new peak of professionalism,” not to mention the casual factual errors (Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks of Genesis are identified at one point as Mike Banks and Tom Rutherford), racist asides, arbitrary comparisons, and unsubstantiated assertions of personal preferences. One grasps Bateman’s point that critical intelligence is easily muted by a variety of biases, driven both by privilege and ignorance, and authorized overall by a crypto-“positive” attitude mandated by the culture industry’s commercial orientation. Commercialism and “poppiness” and “clean” (as in ethnically cleansed as well as digitally pristine) sound are all equated with one another and elevated to the level of transcendent, self-evident social values. Of course music should be “clear and crisp and modern,” and lyrics “positive and affirmative.” These generalities license the underlying bigotry necessary to preserve the status quo that commercial pop music is always ultimately committed to.

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