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Is Steven Universe or Star vs. the Forces of Evil the New My Little Pony?

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  • TanyaTanya
    Pizza Dog
    neither of them are the new "My Little Pony"
  • Princess AlicePrincess Alice
    You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    What does being the new MLP entail?
  • One-Winged EagleOne-Winged Eagle
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    no

    no no no no no no no

    NOOOOOOOOOO
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Central Avenue said:

    What does being the new MLP entail?

    the magic of ponies reborn in a better, stronger form
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    My vote is for Star because it is MLP BUT HARDCORE
  • AnonusAnonus
    edited 2016-01-20 04:55:43
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    this is a topic that makes sense only to me isn't it >_<
  • BeeBee
    Steven Universe was really, really meh to me.  Can't really put my finger on why.
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Bee said:

    Steven Universe was really, really meh to me.  Can't really put my finger on why.

    I initially had a hard time getting into it, then once i got going i found it excellent
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    I will admit the comedy isn't quite as funny as Gravity Falls (HOMESTAR RUNNER)
  • Imipolex GImipolex G
    Touch the cow. Do it now.
    "[x] is the new [y]"  is the dumbest template
  • BeeBee
    x is the new y would do some horrible things to the OpenGL stuff I was writing a few years ago.
  • CalicaCalica
    Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    XX is the new XY
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Imipolex G said:

    "[x] is the new [y]"  is the dumbest template

    it probably is, but I'm thinking about how amazing I thought MLP was when I got into it and the magic of it all
  • HavenHaven
    Let me tell you. About Fallen London.
    Isn't My Little Pony still going on?
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Well, yes
  • TreTre
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    Counterclock said:

    neither of them are the new "My Little Pony"

  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    was i being too stupid
  • Imipolex GImipolex G
    Touch the cow. Do it now.
    yes Anonus, now go sit in the corner and think about what you've done
  • Imipolex GImipolex G
    Touch the cow. Do it now.
    or not
  • SF_SorrowSF_Sorrow
    edited 2016-01-20 07:10:57

    as someone who joined the fandom in the really early days, "the new FIM" for me is a pretty specific thing that I don't think you can really personally experience again, which I say is for the better (more for the sake of the FIM fandom really)
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    why?
  • SF_SorrowSF_Sorrow
    edited 2016-01-20 07:44:53

    well, you know

    how people mocked about how the fandom hyped FIM so much and say how revolutionary it is

    I was there when it was starting to blow up, and there were a good chunk of them that genuinely thought that FIM is going to change the world (and I managed to fall into that mindset as well)

  • SF_SorrowSF_Sorrow

    and then the disillusionment came, growing around the end of season two, and it hit fairly hard

    the fandom never really recovered, though it seems to be getting better very recently
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    it is?
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    I do remember even then being weirded out by how people thought FIM was groundbreaking and trailblazing
  • BeeBee
    edited 2016-01-20 07:37:42
    SF_Sorrow said:

    I was there when it was starting to blow up, and there were a good chunk of them that genuinely thought that FIM is going to change the world (and I managed to fall into that mindset as well)

    It kind of already has.  I mean it's demonstrated that girls' entertainment doesn't have to be vapid trash in a really big, really noticeable way.

    It's not a message that hasn't been delivered before, of course, but it's always welcome and I don't think I've ever seen it stick so enthusiastically.
  • SF_SorrowSF_Sorrow
    edited 2016-01-20 08:05:36

    Anonus said:

    it is?

    season 5 managed to be well-liked overall, and the bitterness that developed during seasons 3 and 4 seem to be gradually dissipating, at last

    Bee said:

    SF_Sorrow said:

    I was there when it was starting to blow up, and there were a good chunk of them that genuinely thought that FIM is going to change the world (and I managed to fall into that mindset as well)

    It kind of already has.  I mean it's demonstrated that girls' entertainment doesn't have to be vapid trash in a really big, really noticeable way.

    It's not a message that hasn't been delivered before, of course, but it's always welcome and I don't think I've ever seen it stick so enthusiastically.
    well yes, and I do think it's a good thing to have for its legacy

    it's just how the fandom was going around touting it, making it look like it really was greater than it really was

    and now there's all this baggage of all different sorts around it, where along with usual criticisms you also have people saying that the show is/was good but "them awful bronies stole the show from the target audience!!!"

    I do contend that FIM was, and still is, a prime second-rate show, and overall, I don't regret joining the ride
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    second-rate, just like everything else on the fucking Hub
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    people actually thought that network was going places
  • One-Winged EagleOne-Winged Eagle
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    What is a network, what does it do, and why does it matter?
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    MachSpeed said:

    What is a network, what does it do, and why does it matter?

    (The) Hub (Network) was a joint venture between Discovery Communications, the owner of its predecessor Discovery Kids, and Hasbro. It was doomed from the start because it was chock full of bland toy tie-ins, Hasbro seemed to lack any real ambition, and it inherited the apathy Discovery showed towards its predecessor.

    Also, Discovery and Hasbro didn't get along very well. Discovery was frustrated over Hasbro owning their shows 100% and reaping all the benefits of selling them internationally.

    It was quite bizarre watching a show on a network that had very few big advertisers (Mattel and LEGO stayed away due to the network's Hasbro ownership) and was interrupted mostly by ads for as-seen-on-TV products.

    It's Discovery Family now, and once MLP:FIM is over/has moved somewhere else, no one will give a rat's ass about it. (Hasbro still owns 40% of the channel, and I'm surprised they haven't completely bailed yet)

    A network generally will pay for and distribute shows. It matters, or mattered, to build a brand and a stable of quality shows, like Nickelodeon or Cartoon Network. The Hub just sat there, inert, flopping about not knowing what the hell to do.
  • One-Winged EagleOne-Winged Eagle
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Why do brands matter?

    Also, Transformers Prime was pretty good, even if it had a troubled production. Not that you'd notice it much, watching it.
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Brands matter for the sake of marketing.
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    The Hub never came close to competing with Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, or the Disney Channel, all of which had been on the air much longer, had brands associated with nostalgia and quality shows, and were much more widely distributed on pay TV platforms.
  • MetaFourMetaFour
    For once, or maybe twice, I was in my prime.
    Why does marketing matter?
  • TachyonTachyon
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    SF_Sorrow said:

    well, you know


    how people mocked about how the fandom hyped FIM so much and say how revolutionary it is

    I was there when it was starting to blow up, and there were a good chunk of them that genuinely thought that FIM is going to change the world (and I managed to fall into that mindset as well)

    SF_Sorrow said:

    and then the disillusionment came, growing around the end of season two, and it hit fairly hard


    the fandom never really recovered, though it seems to be getting better very recently
    having existed on the periphery of the fandom, and having enjoyed season 2, and having never perceived the show as groundbreaking, this is all *incredibly* strange to me
  • TachyonTachyon
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    anyway i think Anonus has a point here

    both are children's shows with a predominantly female central cast and take place in small communities with a substantial supporting cast who become familiar over time

    both are North American but take obvious cues from Japanese cartoons aimed at girls, the whole magical girl thing

    plus, while SU is obviously more arc based and FIM more episodic, FIM did have a sense of continuity running throughout, and some stories were spread across 2 eps

    and of course, both have significant older fan followings on the internet

    so while i think the shows are different from one another, in virtually every other respect, there are obvious points of comparison here
  • TachyonTachyon
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    so thinking on this some more

    i don't feel Star is much like MLP, apart from the use of flash animation, and presence of magical princess character

    also i would agree that SU is generally less funny than Gravity Falls but i feel like it has more heart, somehow

    and the writing in SU is so good that when it's at its funniest, it's hilarious, but in a very particular way that you have to know the characters to 'get', i think
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Examples?
  • KlinotaxisKlinotaxis
    kill living beings
    most jokes involving garnet talking. try local theater
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Is that the point you're up to?
  • Sredni VashtarSredni Vashtar
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    MetaFour said:

    Why does marketing matter?

    Yeah, nobody answered this question.
  • KlinotaxisKlinotaxis
    kill living beings
    Anonus said:

    Is that the point you're up to?

    no, it's just a memorable line
  • KlinotaxisKlinotaxis
    kill living beings
    Marketing matters because otherwise no-one will see your shit. Is that not obvious? Am I missing something.
  • TachyonTachyon
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Yeah, Garnet's reaction to like, anything

    Also, Steven being friendly towards Peridot when they were fighting her.  Peridot vs. the child safety lock.  Every name on the chore rota being crossed out and replaced by Pearl's name, in Pearl's handwriting.  And that time when Steven zoned out and had an internal monologue about his missing jeans while Pearl delivered important exposition on gem shards.
  • Sredni VashtarSredni Vashtar
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Klinotaxis said:

    Marketing matters because otherwise no-one will see your shit. Is that not obvious? Am I missing something.

    The chain of questions leading up to it is relevant here. That wasn't the point of the question.
    Tachyon said:

    Yeah, Garnet's reaction to like, anything

    Also, Steven being friendly towards Peridot when they were fighting her.  Peridot vs. the child safety lock.  Every name on the chore rota being crossed out and replaced by Pearl's name, in Pearl's handwriting.  And that time when Steven zoned out and had an internal monologue about his missing jeans while Pearl delivered important exposition on gem shards.

    Another thing that's nifty: People in the show actually laugh at things that are funny.
  • TachyonTachyon
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Yeah, that's a nice detail.

    In general SU feels a lot more naturalistic to me than similar shows like AT or GF, and i think that's part of it.
  • Sredni VashtarSredni Vashtar
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Even Adventure Time feels more naturalistic than a lot of older or similar shows. It's just that the world itself is intrinsically absurd enough that you kind of see the characters as just taking it all for granted. But Steven Universe is kind of in a category of its own in that respect. There are animated shows that are even more unaffected, but it's pretty rare for a children's show anywhere.
  • TachyonTachyon
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    That is true, about AT, it's got this slightly . . . i wanna say lo-fi but that doesn't actually make sense, that's just how it feels.

    i feel the difference between the art styles maybe contributes to SU feeling more naturalistic to me.  AT is extremely bright and colourful, SU more muted.
  • TachyonTachyon
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Also obviously AT is full blown surrealism a lot of the time, while in SU you've got like this little neighbourhood that could almost exist anywhere and populated by entirely plausible people running little businesses and such.
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