Sredni Vashtar Reads Homestuck

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  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    So.

    Leaving off for the night soon.

    At the beginning of (the craziest part of) Murderstuck One.

    Yeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhh....
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    TC: SLIME? 
    TC: there is no more slime, brother. 
    TC: AND ANYWAY. 
    TC: shit was motherfuckin poison, didn't you know? 
    CG: UH... 
    CG: NO? I MEAN, I WOULD NEVER EAT IT, BUT 
    TC: THEN GET MOTHERFUCKIN SCHOOLFED ALL ABOUT THE WICKED NEWS, PUNCHLINE BLOODED MOTHERFUCKER. 
    TC: it rots you. 
    TC: RUSTS YOUR MOTHERFUCKIN THINK PAN. 
    TC: and the floor all stares up back at you through the motherfuckin hole. 
    TC: BUT THERE IS NO HOLE NOW. 

    I think that this little bit of dialogue is probably the creepiest thing that Gamzee says in this whole exchange, if not in this whole part of the story.

    Clarity.

    This is clarity.

    0____0
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Pleasant dreams, everybody!

    :D
  • yes, really :p

    but seriously, I know your reasoning is perfectly valid (and I find Rosemary adorable too), it's just having the kids together hits a special sweet spot for me, especially when thinking about them post-canon

    sorry for derailing your thread anyhow :p
  • I actually finished my initial binge right before Jade: Enter, so Murderstuck has a very particular place in my heart.

    Not necessarily a dear place. My early days as a homestuck fan were filled with arguments about how so and so shouldn't have died that way or that quickly.
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    I felt like doing a matchy-matchy with SFS for some reason. :P

    I'll start reading through Act 5 Act 2 either tomorrow or Thursday.
  • I do remember specifically claiming that (murderstuck spoilers) Kanaya getting shot below her sign (unlike Tavros and Fef, who took it right in the chest), combined with the destruction of the matriorb, was a metaphor for abortion. Which still makes some sense, but I have no idea how I was going to connect it ith literally anything else in Homestuck .

    It's not my fault for not suspecting that the sign being left intact meant that she'd come back as a glowing vampire. I kind of, erm, skimmed through Act 5.1. I was not a fan of the trolls in the beginning, let me tell you.
  • AC: :33 < have you ever even successfully fired an arrow?
    AC: :33 < like actually got one to leave the bow??
    CT: D --> I think
    CT: D --> We need to stop talking about archery 
    Bless.

    Also, I forgot that Kanaya and Aradia had a conversation early on.
  • OK, my new favorite thing about this reread is that--Rose got super into making this FAQ, right, to the point where Dave was all "do you think the nobel prize committee is scouring the dregs of gamefaqs".

    And now it turns out, yes, someone was scouring them. It ended up being the girlfriend selection committeee, composed entirely of Kanaya Maryam.
  • In the slurry, more dominant genes rise to the fore, while the more recessive find less representation in the brood.
    Troll Metal Gear Solid (featuring Davvid Hayter) must have been incredible.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Haven said:

    OK, my new favorite thing about this reread is that--Rose got super into making this FAQ, right, to the point where Dave was all "do you think the nobel prize committee is scouring the dregs of gamefaqs".


    And now it turns out, yes, someone was scouring them. It ended up being the girlfriend selection committeee, composed entirely of Kanaya Maryam.
    Pretty much, yeah. Also the Desperately Seeking Dramatically-Worded Constructive Advice On A Mysterious Situation Committee—also composed entirely of Kanaya Maryam.

    ^^^ It is really pretty crushing in retrospect to see just how different Aradia was before and after what happened to her and how differently she related to other people and they to her. The loss is palpable.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    So I feel kind of bad in retrospect that I haven't spoilered any of the Act Five Act Two stuff, but on the other hand I think it's understood that I'm mainly spoiling stuff that happens significantly later in the story and just saying what immediately comes to mind when I reach a particular spot. So fair warning: If you haven't reached [S] Wake. or so, beware.
  • edited 2014-11-20 12:53:30
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    I have come to learn in my time as a fan of this comic that the involvement of Terezi is liable to introduce black comedy into basically any situation, no matter how ghastly.

    Additionally, I have some things to say about Eridan and Gamzee here that will only fully make sense well into Act Six, and I'm not sure whether or not to wait until I have my working knowledge refreshed by a certain walkaround (and some nifty storytelling well before it) or address it when it initially comes to the fore.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Dear lord, In-Story!Hussie.

    And this ends up being plot-relevant, too.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    And we're back!

    Important aside that, again, will take a while to make sense: Do all Pages have imaginary friends? [Furthermore, are all of those imaginary friends actual people? I get the sense that part of the whole Page deal is that they always have a spirit-guide modelled around someone intimately connected to the player that is at once "fake" and "real," perhaps representing who or what the other player sees as their champion—allowing others to arm themselves with an aspect, or wielding that aspect as a shield.]
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    WV is driving the car.

    Temptations to make Beatles and/or Daniel Johnston jokes rising...
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    And now John is flying the car and there is magic in the air and the silliness of how these references are compounding without actually being intrusive is really something.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    CG: THE POINT IS, IF YOU SEE HIM, WOULD YOU MIND SNAPPING HIS STUPID WAND IN HALF OR SOMETHING? 
    CG: AND THEN CHOKE HIM TO DEATH WITH HIS OWN SHITTY PRETENTIOUS SCARF. 
    CT: D --> Do I really have to 
    CG: GOD, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM NOW? 
    CT: D --> I'd prefer not to interact with him 
    CG: WHY 
    CT: D --> It's primarily that his advances make me uncomfortable 

    This will never not be stunning/great.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    [S] Equius: Seek the highb100d.

    Yup. This sequence. Whole lotta 0_0 going on over here all over again.

    I don't think I fully exploited the range of options available with Nepeta last time. Seeing her angry cat face when talking about Eridan is just delightful.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    That elision there.

    I'm not as alarmed by this as I was the first time I read it by any stretch of the imagination, but the colour and scene composition is just brilliant.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    John and Vriska's dynamic is a really interesting one. As crazy and vicious as Vriska gets during the human session—and she really, really goes crazy—John almost sneakily brings out the best in her nature, including that tiny whit of compassion that she denies in herself constantly. Dave does the same for Terezi, but as kooky and flip as she is, Terezi does not need a moderating influence the way Vriska does.

    Also, Nepeta's observation about Vriska and Terezi's relationship was... you know, I don't think I disagree. It's a fucking weird relationship.
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    I like how badly John goofed up Rose's first impression on Kanaya.

    Thanks to him, everything between Rose and Kanaya since then has been trying to compensate for that wiffed first impression on some level.

    That kind of situation can happen way too easily in life.
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    The story becomes pretty sad when you realize that Karkat has to choose between dooming himself and his compatriots and essentially wiping another universe out of existence.

    The fact that Karkat chose the former option indicates that he has a lot more integrity than anyone else gives him credit for.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    How so?
  • edited 2014-11-22 18:49:29
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Karkat could’ve told John about the prototyping of Bec and warned him not to communicate with Vriska. John probably wouldn’t have listened anyway, but Karkat could’ve still at least tried. Since the prototyping of Bec was what caused the kids’ universe to be created in the first place, it would lead to it being wiped from existence. It would, however, allow the trolls to cleanly win their own game.

    I was saying that Karkat not trying to do that shows that he has integrity because it meant that he’d rather make himself suffer than end other peoples’ lives. Then again, thinking about it harder, I’m not sure that’s integrity so much as it is his own self-loathing. I still say that it says some good things about his character, though.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Karkat is, I have noted time and again, a really stand-up person, and he clearly has a far more developed capacity for empathy than his society would ever approve of. This makes him at once a really fun protagonist—he is a human (troll) prickly pear—but also a tragic one. His society rejects him on every level, and he is trapped in circumstances where things have to go wrong with him at every turn in order for them to go right in the greater scheme of things.

    ...and now I am beginning to suspect that being a Blood player has almost as much to do with the spilling of blood as the bonds of blood.
  • Since the prototyping of Bec was what caused the kids’ universe to be created in the first place, it would lead to it being wiped from existence. It would, however, allow the trolls to cleanly win their own game.

    While Karkat is a much better guy than he thinks he is, this isn't really how time travel works in Homestuck. If Karkat had been able to convince the kids not to prototype Bec, Bec Noir wouldn't have forced them onto the meteor, meaning they never would have come into contact with the kids, so he wouldn't have been able to communicate with them to tell them not to do that--which would have been a paradox. Paradoxes create doomed timelines, they don't work by nullifying stuff that already happened.

    Vriska more or less spells it all out in this conversation.
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    ... Yeah, you're right.

    I guess it’s too much to have hope for anyone in Homestuck, isn’t it?
  • edited 2014-11-22 19:10:18
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    No, there are hope-worthy things. After all, as someone very ingenuous says quite a bit later in the comic (and in different words), if you really believe in something true to you that isn't factually so in the world, you can make it a little more real.

    Of course, that can work in a not-so-positive way. Look at Eridan. WWHITE SCIENCE indeed.
  • homestuck is not a tragedy
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    It is a sometimes very dark comedy, in both the classical and modern senses, or so I have surmised.
  • edited 2014-11-22 19:20:16
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    ^^^ I think I've already gotten up to that point in the comic, actually. I can't find the link now, but I remember Terezi saying something along those lines to Tavros. It is something I should keep in mind anyway, no matter where it's said and who said it, so thanks for saying it now.

    ^^ It does kinda feel like one at this juncture, but you're right anyway. I will say that the fact I was trying to make up fanon explanations for how Karkat could possibly get the chance to live a decent life says a lot about how strongly Hussie makes you emphasize with him.

    ^ Yeah, that sounds about right from what I've read so far.
  • edited 2014-11-22 19:23:13
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    A variant on that line occurs much later in the comic, from the mouth of a very different character. There is a very subtle connection between the two, however.

    But yeah, A5A2 gets really dark in the middle. Where are you?
  • oh yeah i forgot where you were in the comic
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    ^^ As you can probably tell from my speechifying, I just got up to the point where Bec is prototyped and Karkat has to explain to John how badly he screwed up.
  • edited 2014-11-22 19:50:50
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Oh.

    You are nowhere near the nadir of darkness. For point of reference, that's probably [S] Seer: Descend, although it's really a double-dip with the immediate aftermath of [S] Equius: Seek the highb100d being the first long stare into the pit.

    Although watching Jack rip apart Prospit with the Red Green Miles is really fucking creepy.
  • I accidentally click on this thread like eight times a day

    better this than the gore thread I suppose.
  • i read every thread on this forum because the little red "number of unread posts" box bugs the shit out of me
  • ^^ As you can probably tell from my speechifying, I just got up to the point where Bec is prototyped and Karkat has to explain to John how badly he screwed up.

    Welcome to Sadstuck

    Population: the dead and dying

    Home of the Redskins
  • edited 2014-11-22 20:48:47
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Yeah, it gets really bleak and sad after that point and doesn't let up until... I think the incident with the exploding shaving cream. (And no, that's not really a spoiler without context.)

    Although it does contain some really touching moments. Like this exchange between Sollux and Terezi that I was just reading. You may well cry while reading it. I'll leave you to read why when you get to it.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Aradia! How I love you, you giddy spooky broad!
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS

    ^^ As you can probably tell from my speechifying, I just got up to the point where Bec is prototyped and Karkat has to explain to John how badly he screwed up.

    Welcome to Sadstuck

    Population: the dead and dying

    Home of the Redskins
    bwahahahahaha
  • edited 2014-11-22 21:33:18
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Spoiler:
    TG: dude 
    TG: are those sick fires youre packing there 
    TG: you best not be bringin that fire into my bubble less you plan on dropping that shit 
    AT: oHH, bRO, 
    AT: tHESE ARE WITHOUT ANY CONFUSION TO BE NOTED AS SOME TRULY UNHEALTHY INCENDIARIES, 
    AT: tHEY ARE IN ABOVE AVERAGE NEED OF MEDICAL ATTENTION, 
    AT: sO, iN OTHER WORDS, jUST TO COMPLETE THE ANALOGY, i HOPE YOU KNOW A LICENSED PHYSICIAN, 
    TG: i am your general fucking practitioner and doctors orders are to shut up and burn down my goddamn office 
    TG: ill break your brittle ass like a graham cracker and well roast smores over the flaming debris have i made myself clear 
    AT: aH, hAHA, yES, aND, 
    AT: cERTAIN FEATURES OF YOUR PALE ANATOMY MAY SERVE AS THE MARSH MALLOW INGREDIENT, nEEDED FOR THE MOLTEN SNACK, 
    AT: i WILL PROVIDE THE FUDGE, }:D 
    TG: dude 
    TG: gross 

    There is also this conversation.

    There are always great conversations.
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    I remember doing a lot of Final Fantasy 6 comparisons back in 2011, even though they didn't fit well. 

    Back then, I thought Cascade was like the End of the World, and Act 6 was like Searching for Friends, but now I see it's more like [S] Jade: Enter was the End of the World, [S] Cascade was the amazing 20-minute grand finale, and Act 6 is a twisted New Game Plus with dust in the cartridge. :P

    Besides, FF6 is kind of shoehorned anyway, because I never played EarthBound. :(
  • edited 2014-11-22 21:34:48
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Also:

    Spoiler:
    AA: i am very much alive 
    AA: and i intend to stay that way :)

    ^w^
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Less spoiler-y by many degrees...

    EB: ok then, i guess i will get going. 
    AG: Go where? 
    EB: to keep looking for my dad! 

    Am I terrible for immediately thinking "DON'T LOSE YOUR WAAAAAAY~" when I read that? Because I did.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Before I retire for the night, I would like to let it be known that I have once again come to the... *brightest* passage in Murderstuck.

    Those of you who read it know exactly what I mean.

    Most satisfying groin kick ever.

    Goodnight, folks.
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    And I totally still mentally score that scene with "Battle Without Honor or Humanity", too.
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