You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
It was good for what it was, which is to say that it was an extremely visually impressive take on a very dated and hokey if reasonably inoffensive subgenre of science fiction that hasn't been in vogue since before Star Wars first came out.
It doesn't even leave much room for a sequel or spinoffs or even a whole lot in the realm of merchandising compared to most action-adventure movies with that kind of budget. I mean, say what you will about the quality of the plotting and characterisation or the problematic implications of the "outsider goes native and becomes syncretic saviour" narrative, but this movie was a labour of love and, more than that, a love letter to an era of science fiction that isn't terribly "marketable" in this day and age, and I respect that.
It was good for what it was, which is to say that it was an extremely visually impressive take on a very dated and hokey if reasonably inoffensive subgenre of science fiction that hasn't been in vogue since before Star Wars first came out.
reasonably inoffensive? maybe fair for it's time, but...
i liked it in the cinema, it was pretty, i'm not under any illusions that it was a great film otherwise
but i was baffled and honestly kind of disturbed and upset by how people seemed to latch on to characters that, to me, just seemed purely evil with no redeeming qualities
like, that actually kind of scared me, it was a confusing and frightening response to being shown a really shallow kind of nastiness
like i guess partly what bothered me was, i suppose, i got the impression part of the reason viewers turned against Jake and the Na'vi was that they were perceived as boring, or perhaps blandly "nice" in an obnoxious, hippy-ish sort of way.
that this should be a sin so great that it caused people to root for characters who were downright monstrous was immensely troubling to me
I'm not sure that it qualifies as going into full-on "white saviour" territory—that's a special circle of Lit Hell—but let's compare it to about 90% of Tolkien-derived high fantasy, or any number of other dubious strains in speculative fiction that remain popular to this day. Sure, the racial politics of the style range from naïve to condescending to downright bizarre and offensive depending on the examples, and it is very, very retro, but all things considered, at least in this case, it's just all kind of silly.
I think for at least some viewers, it was less that they actually liked the white military guys, and more "James Cameron, your attempt to manipulate my emotions are so ham-handed that I'm going to do exactly the opposite of what you want, just to spite you."
I think for at least some viewers, it was less that they actually liked the white military guys, and more "James Cameron, your attempt to manipulate my emotions are so ham-handed that I'm going to do exactly the opposite of what you want, just to spite you."
Like people who hated the elves in Tolkien, i guess. Or i guess the vampires in Twilight, which is something i can relate to more since i felt they had some genuinely repulsive characteristics, rather than being merely bland.
i dunno, i get that fiction is fiction, but i feel like what appeals to a person vicariously has to say something about their attitudes in general, and i see nothing that makes the idea of rooting for the villain of that movie even palatable. He's more boring than the Na'vi, he just also happens to be a violent, racist colonial entirely driven by a profit motive.
Screw elves. Screw all elves that were born of Tolkien's spawn
Tolkien's OG Elves are passable, but they still represent a sense of racial unassailability, and I can't stand that
Kind of but not quite? Tolkien is drawing on the Norse conception of elves, which is less alien than the Celtic one—namely, hide your kids and lock your windows—but still more godlike than human. They're angelic in appearance, but at least in Norse tradition susceptible to the same temptations as men and caprices as gods. They also seem to be associated with Freyr, who is both a god of light and a fertility deity. Tolkien's a bit more Christ-y about it but as far as his work goes they're pretty low on the weird race stuff scale. Which is weird, since they're kind of the nexus of racial weirdness in a lot of later stuff.
Incidentally, in Norse cosmology, dwarves and elves are just the same sort of entity as associated with different deities and domains: Light, sky, fire, wind versus earth, darkness, caves, minerals.
I'm a little disappointed at how much play scary Celtic elves and fairies are getting because they are seriously one of my favourite classes of mythological being and having them get played out would be lame.
Screw elves. Screw all elves that were born of Tolkien's spawn
Tolkien's OG Elves are passable, but they still represent a sense of racial unassailability, and I can't stand that
Kind of but not quite? Tolkien is drawing on the Norse conception of elves, which is less alien than the Celtic one—namely, hide your kids and lock your windows—but still more godlike than human. They're angelic in appearance, but at least in Norse tradition susceptible to the same temptations as men and caprices as gods. They also seem to be associated with Freyr, who is both a god of light and a fertility deity. Tolkien's a bit more Christ-y about it but as far as his work goes they're pretty low on the weird race stuff scale. Which is weird, since they're kind of the nexus of racial weirdness in a lot of later stuff.
Incidentally, in Norse cosmology, dwarves and elves are just the same sort of entity as associated with different deities and domains: Light, sky, fire, wind versus earth, darkness, caves, minerals.
Like I said, Tolkien's specific breed is better than most. I blame them for their progeny more than on their own detriments.
I'm a little disappointed at how much play scary Celtic elves and fairies are getting because they are seriously one of my favourite classes of mythological being and having them get played out would be lame.
i dunno, maybe it's just that space marines never had any inherent appeal to me, so i'm missing whatever qualities made the Avatar ones entertaining to people
i can sympathize with Sredni here cuz fairies and (pre-Tolkien-style) elves are far and away the most interesting type of fantastic/mythological being to me and i don't want people who read my writing to think 'yawn, this shit again'
Pratchett's elves are great, but not really what i had in mind
relatedly i really should read more contemporary fantasy before embarking on my high fantasy epic whatever, but at this rate i'm never gonna write it since there's always more to read . . .
We do not deign to acknowledge the slanderous propaganda spread by the stunted humans who call themselves dwarves. The little miners have always had a rather, shall we say, biased outlook on history and the true workings of reality. They call themselves the finest creatures to grace the worlds with bodies like that, we suppose one would have to have an active fantasy life.
For those graced with true vision, Elves comprise the finest race in all the worlds. We are that which other races aspire to be: Our longevity, our beauty, and our craftsmanship are all the stuff of legends. Certainly, each of these attributes can be recreated in some fashion by the lesser races, but theirs is an artifice of face and form and creation never as fine as those that come naturally to us.
Our lives are long and filled with happiness, for we recognize the impermanence of all things, excepting ourselves. Indeed, we do not suffer death as do the mortals. Only through violence, accident, or disease do we die at all.
Although we vanish from the ken of mortal knowledge after hundreds of years of existence in this plane, you may rest assured that we continue on elsewhere. Even those who perish on the battlefield do not truly die, but instead become part of the earth's cycle of growth and rebirth. Our spirits linger on, for we are intimately tied to the world and its core. Indeed, we are the integral part of that core.
We would turn now to other matters, for to continue on in this vein would, no doubt, lead you to believe that we are boasting of elven prowess. We do not boast. Anyone who has seen even the slightest fraction of elven ability knows the truth of what we say within these pages.
Yes, we are a proud race, but do we not have just cause? Are we not Elves—creatures of most wondrous might? Simply understand that we are what we are and that nothing you can do will change us—then may we become good friends. But beware: We are a complex race, and the workings of our lives will ever be a mystery to you, our dreams foreign from yours. You will never truly understand us, no matter how you try.
Enigmatic and powerful, elves have dominated the fantasy landscape for years. Although their civilizations and powers have always been a mystery to those who travel in the realms of fantasy, their influence is undeniably strong. Abandoned cities, lost technology, forgotten lore . . . all these things and more lie within the mystique of the elves. Their land, their culture, and their philosophy remain cryptic mysteries to those not blessed with the love of elves.
No longer. With The Complete Book of Elves, many of the elves' mysteries are open for perusal. But take care with the information gleaned; some secrets of the elven way of life still remain hidden—knowledge forever forsworn from non-elves. Be forewarned: The pieces of fact and fiction learned within can, if incorrectly applied, spell destruction for those who misuse this knowledge.
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unless James Cameron is a brand at this point, which i suppose isn't far-fetched
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
See Benjamin's comments on fascism.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
but i was baffled and honestly kind of disturbed and upset by how people seemed to latch on to characters that, to me, just seemed purely evil with no redeeming qualities
like, that actually kind of scared me, it was a confusing and frightening response to being shown a really shallow kind of nastiness
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
that this should be a sin so great that it caused people to root for characters who were downright monstrous was immensely troubling to me
i dunno, i get that fiction is fiction, but i feel like what appeals to a person vicariously has to say something about their attitudes in general, and i see nothing that makes the idea of rooting for the villain of that movie even palatable. He's more boring than the Na'vi, he just also happens to be a violent, racist colonial entirely driven by a profit motive.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
i'm sure it's been done. But i want to see if the qualities that Tolkien liked about them can be made to be scary.
This is why there are five billion elf subraces.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Kind of but not quite? Tolkien is drawing on the Norse conception of elves, which is less alien than the Celtic one—namely, hide your kids and lock your windows—but still more godlike than human. They're angelic in appearance, but at least in Norse tradition susceptible to the same temptations as men and caprices as gods. They also seem to be associated with Freyr, who is both a god of light and a fertility deity. Tolkien's a bit more Christ-y about it but as far as his work goes they're pretty low on the weird race stuff scale. Which is weird, since they're kind of the nexus of racial weirdness in a lot of later stuff.
Incidentally, in Norse cosmology, dwarves and elves are just the same sort of entity as associated with different deities and domains: Light, sky, fire, wind versus earth, darkness, caves, minerals.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
with, of course, the understanding that if they were real i'd like em even less than i like the USMC
i only have this opinion because my mom watched avatar like twenty times in the course of one month.
i dunno, maybe it's just that space marines never had any inherent appeal to me, so i'm missing whatever qualities made the Avatar ones entertaining to people
i can sympathize with Sredni here cuz fairies and (pre-Tolkien-style) elves are far and away the most interesting type of fantastic/mythological being to me and i don't want people who read my writing to think 'yawn, this shit again'
Pratchett's elves are great, but not really what i had in mind
relatedly i really should read more contemporary fantasy before embarking on my high fantasy epic whatever, but at this rate i'm never gonna write it since there's always more to read . . .
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
For those graced with true vision, Elves comprise the finest race in all the worlds. We are that which other races aspire to be: Our longevity, our beauty, and our craftsmanship are all the stuff of legends. Certainly, each of these attributes can be recreated in some fashion by the lesser races, but theirs is an artifice of face and form and creation never as fine as those that come naturally to us.
Our lives are long and filled with happiness, for we recognize the impermanence of all things, excepting ourselves. Indeed, we do not suffer death as do the mortals. Only through violence, accident, or disease do we die at all.
Although we vanish from the ken of mortal knowledge after hundreds of years of existence in this plane, you may rest assured that we continue on elsewhere. Even those who perish on the battlefield do not truly die, but instead become part of the earth's cycle of growth and rebirth. Our spirits linger on, for we are intimately tied to the world and its core. Indeed, we are the integral part of that core.
We would turn now to other matters, for to continue on in this vein would, no doubt, lead you to believe that we are boasting of elven prowess. We do not boast. Anyone who has seen even the slightest fraction of elven ability knows the truth of what we say within these pages.
Yes, we are a proud race, but do we not have just cause? Are we not Elves—creatures of most wondrous might? Simply understand that we are what we are and that nothing you can do will change us—then may we become good friends. But beware: We are a complex race, and the workings of our lives will ever be a mystery to you, our dreams foreign from yours. You will never truly understand us, no matter how you try.
Enigmatic and powerful, elves have dominated the fantasy landscape for years. Although their civilizations and powers have always been a mystery to those who travel in the realms of fantasy, their influence is undeniably strong. Abandoned cities, lost technology, forgotten lore . . . all these things and more lie within the mystique of the elves. Their land, their culture, and their philosophy remain cryptic mysteries to those not blessed with the love of elves.
No longer. With The Complete Book of Elves, many of the elves' mysteries are open for perusal. But take care with the information gleaned; some secrets of the elven way of life still remain hidden—knowledge forever forsworn from non-elves. Be forewarned: The pieces of fact and fiction learned within can, if incorrectly applied, spell destruction for those who misuse this knowledge.