Gathering some Magics

Justice4243 · 2012-05-10 23:41:28

It's certainly scoped to a theme deck, but I wouldn't call it a bad card.

Then again, by turn six, depending on the format, having a six mana card that's only useful if you have lots of zombies in your hand may not be all that great.

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Gelzo · 2012-05-11 00:02:16

^^I'm not saying it's a bad card either, I'd just really hesitate to play it competitively, and it's a huge stretch to call it broken.

Plus, I think new players tend to miss that there are many resources in the game besides mana.

Justice4243 · 2012-05-11 00:21:40

Looks like someone placed forth with zombies. But they didn't use that card.

Though, the obviously didn't go for the tons, and tons of zombies route.

Haven · 2012-05-11 00:24:02

^ Oh wow, that's a really sexy version of Solar Flare there. Maybe just because it has Sun Titan shenanigans, which are the best shenanigans.

Gelzo · 2012-05-11 00:55:00

^^Like I said, I'd really hesitate to use it for anything competitive. It's a pretty clunky card, and on its own it doesn't generate any value.

Bunny · 2012-05-11 07:05:21

You would have to use it with a bunch of card draw effects so that you can keep churning out zombies...

millercross · 2012-05-11 11:15:17

In my own experience, Rooftop Storm has been always an EDH card. It simply doesn't work that well in slow formats, unless you're ramping like a motherfucker (And son, you better be ramping up good, because otherwise, you're getting it at turn six, and really, if by then, you haven't cast enough zombies to keep reviving them and/or using them to attack and win, you might be playing a not-so-good deck)

Justice4243 · 2012-05-11 13:20:15

Yeah, ^^ this and ^ this where my feelings on the matter.

It could be quite damning in EDH, but you'd have to have a deck that could take advantage of it, and it of course couldn't be the focus as it's only one card.

Other formats are fast, and a six drop is sort of a tall order if it's not necessarily going to make you win outright. I'd imagine most people would rather have something that cost less and they could use earlier in the game than take up a few spots in their deck for it.

millercross · 2012-05-11 13:26:05

i think the only EDH deck i've ever used with Rooftop Storm in it was Scion of The Ur-Dragon and it's because the combo with Artifical Evolution is truly lulzworthy.

Viani · 2012-05-11 13:28:50

Is Baneslayer Angel worth the mana that it's cast with?

Justice4243 · 2012-05-11 13:30:18

Oh Jesus, yes.

It can easily win you a game if your opponent doesn't have an answer.

Fossilmaiden · 2012-05-11 13:32:54

There's a reason Baneslayer is so well loved.

Haven · 2012-05-11 13:38:22

"Is Baneslayer Angel worth the mana that it's cast with?"

It'd still be good if it cost one or even two more. At five it's just absurd.

Gelzo · 2012-05-11 15:13:16

Put it this way. The fans used to call it "Bankslayer Angel".

Justice4243 · 2012-05-12 05:27:16

Soo...

There where a few other cards involved, but long story short, I swung for just a couple hairs shy of 300 damage...

Gelzo · 2012-05-12 05:33:31

Sort of ironic that several dozens of damage are more impressive in this game than unlimited amounts.

Justice4243 · 2012-05-12 05:43:19

I was thinking the exact same thing.

I mean, you can pull off a combo and say "I killed someone for a hojjilionbillion damage!" And people are like, "yeah, that's a lot" But if you can just break 100 in a kill, it's like you worked a miracle.

Gelzo · 2012-05-12 05:53:41

Sort of like how no one cried when Alderaan blew up.

Justice4243 · 2012-05-12 06:00:51

It is this weird thing where if a number just gets to big, we just sort of file it under "really, REALLY big" and move on without considering it.

And then we're free to make jokes:

Then again, it was a fictional planet.

You still gotta figure more people had visceral reactions to the one Ewok that they made SURE we knew had died over Alderaan being blown up.

Gelzo · 2012-05-12 06:14:14

Even in the present day, it's very rare for an individual to be responsible for the well-being of more than, say, 500 others. It follows that we haven't had many chances for natural selection to err towards the survival of individuals that are able to emotionally appreciate the scale of populations thousands of times that.

Justice4243 · 2012-05-12 07:04:23

tru dat.

Yarrun XIX · 2012-05-13 23:48:55

Ideas for instants/sorceries based around negating power-up cards (Giant Growth, Increasing Savagery etc.):

Flush:
Mana Cost: 1U
Text: Return target attacking creature to its owner's hand. All creatures controlled by the owner get -X/0 until the end of the turn, where X is the power of the target creature

Detonate:
Mana Cost: 3R
Text: Kicker: 1RR

Target creature deals damage to itself equal to its power. If kicker cost was paid, target creature deals damage equal to its power to its controller.

millercross · 2012-05-13 23:53:44

"unsummoned" creature is not an actual term. It should be "target creature"

Yarrun XIX · 2012-05-15 18:01:59

So, managed to get my hands on a basic deck builder.

Got a Contagion Engine, an Omen Machine, a Royal Assassin and a shiny Unwinding Clock.

Yarrun is a happy fellow.

Yarrun XIX · 2012-05-23 22:58:57

So, I found out that there was a videogame based on MTG called Battlegrounds, which actually tried to replicate what a planeswalker duel would look like in real life.

It actually looked half decent, considering it was on the Xbox and all.

millercross · 2012-05-24 22:27:25

Who would be up for some Commander fun?

Yarrun XIX · 2012-05-24 23:21:11

-raises hand-

Haven · 2012-05-25 01:49:47

I know I've done some bad things with ETB triggers before, but I don't think I've ever abused them as much as I just did.

I think I need a cigarette.

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Justice4243 · 2012-05-28 04:46:54

My Ghave/token deck broke much face.

Got some good cards that really work well with his ability like fertilid and doomgape.

Doomgape carried the day in one game.

Craterhoof Behemoth carried a couple games (tooth and nail is very useful, here).

Another notable victory involved a Mirari's Wake allowing for an Army of the Damned to be cast on the same turn as an Eldrazy Monument.

Yarrun XIX · 2012-05-28 19:45:02

Note to self: Cascade doesn't work well with Sun Zeniths

millercross · 2012-05-28 22:51:13

Cascade and X costed cards are a bad idea simply because you're not getting a free spell and, in the case of EDH, the free one or two mana don't really make the difference they make in legacy.

ETA: Also, I made a deck with a buncha cards named Avengers + Tooth and Nail + Ramp just so I get to say the obvious joke.

Haven · 2012-05-28 23:39:15

Actually, Cascade and X spells are a bad idea because you don't get the chance to pay anything for X, so it just ends up being 0. If you could, it'd be alright, since it's still an extra card.

Yarrun XIX · 2012-05-29 22:49:34

Realization: Part of the reason that I don't like the Innistrad Block is the fact that everything in that block is tailored to the Innistrad creature types. Of course, there's a little bit of this in all sets. Rise of the Eldrazi, for example, was built around getting the Annihilators out as quickly as possible. But it's taken to a worrying extent in Innistrad. Take this card, which I got in my booster pack today (along with Wolfir Silverheart, but that's a topic for another time)

Very interesting card, very good flavour, but tailor-designed for the human-heavy Avacyn Restored. Sure, humans can be found in every set since Alpha, but you won't reliably find them outside of the Innistrad Block. Same with Slayer of the Wicked or Wooden Stake. There are only about 400 creatures in all of Magic that the Slayer can destroy, and with only a few hundred Vampires in Magic, Wooden Stake's not nearly as useful as Bonesplitter Axe

Bunny · 2012-05-29 23:03:55

Well, on the flip side

You get much more useful cards like this.

Yarrun XIX · 2012-05-29 23:21:50

Ah, well, that I consider to be a little bit overpowered. 2 Black Mana to destroy 90% of all creatures, ever? Freaking dangerous. Anyways, Victim of the Night is more of an exception to the rule rather than a representation of balance.

So, I found this card while looking up Rares and Mythic Rares

I don't even play blue outside of infect decks and I want this card.

millercross · 2012-05-30 00:11:20

@Yarrun: You seem to forget that there's such a thing as Limited.

Yarrun XIX · 2012-05-30 00:21:12

Eh, the way I think of Magic, a card should be able to interact with most other Magic spells. I've never been much of a fan of Limited formats. It's been 9 months since I've learned about Magic, and I still haven't made a Standard deck.

Still, you do have a point.

millercross · 2012-05-30 00:39:10

Cards are often made with different formats in mind simply because there're very few cards (I'd argue for none, even) that can work in all formats. With that taken into account, I don't see what's wrong with designing a card specifically for draft/sealed.

Haven · 2012-05-30 00:39:14

Standard isn't Limited, though.

King_Friday · 2012-05-30 11:06:07

So Justice finally had some creatures in his Ghave grave to reanimate with my Tariel. And what do I get? A mocking Mikaeus.... TWICE.

I hate him, he can go to hell and die aiedy.

Justice4243 · 2012-05-30 12:04:55

Heh. She was hoping for Doomgape.

King_Friday · 2012-05-30 12:11:26

Actually I was hoping for your acidic slime so I could keep blowing up your lands.

Justice4243 · 2012-05-30 12:14:31

I don't think I had it that game. It was either Mikaeus, Doomgape, or Kamahl.

You did eventually get Kamahl.

King_Friday · 2012-05-30 12:15:58

But I was hoping for an Acidic Slime.

millercross · 2012-05-30 17:47:17

Standard isn't Limited, though.

I think he means a non-eternal format rather than Limited per se.

Haven · 2012-05-30 19:04:04

Since Trepanation Blade was designed to be a chainsaw, I should put it in my Vish Kal deck and equip it to him every chance I get.

Especially if their general happens to be a merfolk.

Yarrun XIX · 2012-06-04 19:53:40

Justice4243 · 2012-06-04 20:50:53

You might want to drop the cost of "Secret Wizard Prime" to maybe 2UU

5 converted mana seems a bit much for what he does + him being legendary.

Or perhaps reduce the cost of his activated ability, something about him just seems a bit to costly.

Maybe that's just me, though.

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