Gathering some Magics

Idler · 2012-02-01 06:41:00

Hey, here's a question: what, to you, is the closest to a perfect card ever printed?

millercross · 2012-02-01 06:44:17

The captain's flavor text is kind of generic, but its art is awesome

That's kind of the charm for me, admittedly. In a setting where everything is so out of its way to try and be scary, having a spirit who seems to have been a war hero and treat it as any of the other soldiers/knights in different planes makes him comes across as a bit of a common element for all the different sets.

But yeah, the art's the best part. Ghost Captain Jack Sparrow.

^I want to say Akroma, but I think she's too costly to work as anything but a game finisher. I still like her quite a bit. So I don't know...Wrath of God, I guess?

Gelzo · 2012-02-01 07:01:25

^^I'm fond of Lightning Bolt.

Idler · 2012-02-01 07:11:22

I can't make up my mind. Gelectrode, maybe? The only issue with that is that a creature untapping itself can be done in mono-red (Goblin Sharpshooter), so you could make an admittedly not very convincing argument that it isn't blue enough. But other than that, it's pretty much perfect.

Haven · 2012-02-01 07:12:36

Tough to say, but just off the top of my head, Fact or Fiction. It's extremely powerful, but not to the extent of being an instant game winner. It really rewards skill, too, on the part of both players.

^ Before Planar Chaos, the ping effect was mostly in blue, so it was contributing that as well.

Gelzo · 2012-02-01 07:17:28

I like Cunning Sparkmage in terms of Tims, but I guess I just let myself get attached because I used them for a while.

Grim Lavamancer is obviously the more powerful one.

Idler · 2012-02-01 07:26:08

I think pinging had mostly moved into red by the time Gelectrode was printed. The most recent blue pinger before Gelectrode was from Mercadian Masques, I believe.

King_Friday · 2012-02-01 09:11:49

Oblivion Ring, if just because much fun can be had with it. I can't even count the amount of times Oblivion Rings have targeted other Oblivion Rings. Which reminds me that Echoing Truth is also a lot of fun, bouncing back multiples, fun times. Two cards which it can benefit to target your own permanents.

(sorry about lack of grammar, totally tired)

Idler · 2012-02-01 09:31:32

They totally should've had Immerwolf be "Kessig Captain" and had art of a wolf with a pirate hat on. That would've owned.

Justice4243 · 2012-02-01 15:00:33

I enjoy Vampire Nocturnus for the ability and sheer cleverness of what it does. Vampire Nighthawk is another favorite for sheer versatility and dickery of the creature.

millercross · 2012-02-01 16:12:57

I love Tales from the Pit.

King_Friday · 2012-02-01 19:20:17

Does anyone know any Clerics that protect other clerics?

Idler · 2012-02-01 19:32:06

Daunting Defender, Daru Spiritualist, Wandering Mage.

King_Friday · 2012-02-01 19:42:55

Thanks Idler. Daru Spiritualist would definitely be my first choice there. I was wondering if any clerics give other clerics colour protection?

Idler · 2012-02-01 19:46:40

I don't believe so.

What deck are you trying to make?

King_Friday · 2012-02-01 19:52:26

I have a Kaalia EDH, only problem with it is that she is extremely susceptible to damage at P/T:2/2. I noticed I had quite a few clerics acting as utility creatures as well as my general, so I wondered if I could take advantage of the creature type.

Idler · 2012-02-01 19:54:27

Reconnaissance works nicely with Kaalia to protect her.

King_Friday · 2012-02-02 00:34:10

As does Maze of Ith for the same reason.

Tanya · 2012-02-02 01:13:47

Here we go, most redundant card.

Justice4243 · 2012-02-02 01:40:20

It wouldn't be if one was playing Three Kingdoms Portal draft, or some-such.

But otherwise, yes.

Gelzo · 2012-02-02 08:02:24

Horsemanship is only redundant if you never ever expect to see Mind Control or Clone or similar cards.

It is kinda funny, though.

Tanya · 2012-02-02 10:22:04

Ace Rimmer · 2012-02-02 10:39:02

I thought those types of moves were frowned on

Gelzo · 2012-02-02 11:08:06

A three card combo that at its best does nothing on its own except provide an extra blocker per turn? Yeah, pretty sure you're not going to get hated out at the casual table.

Idler · 2012-02-02 11:22:12

Now, use it in a Sek'Kuar EDH, or Savra or something, then it does something.

Bunny · 2012-02-02 11:58:04

Well, what if you played it in a B/W deck with this?

Tanya · 2012-02-02 12:07:33

Actually, It's much easier to combo it with things like

Idler · 2012-02-02 12:10:24

Kuon's pretty lame, though; he's like a crappy Sheoldred.

Grave Pact, on the other hand, is great.

millercross · 2012-02-02 12:52:58

He's also a cheap Sheoldred, though.

Basically

Turn two: Bitterblossom

Turn three: Token, Kuon

Turn Four: Token, Gravepact

and you pretty much got the whole board under control, provided you can turn Kuon into an enchantment in time. And you probably have a sac outlet of some sort in there.

Justice4243 · 2012-02-02 14:59:18

"I thought those types of moves were frowned on"

Combo decks don't usually completely dominate anymore than Control Decks or Aggro decks.

I suppose a well made combo deck can completely dominate a casual game, but that's true of any deck where someone built it to dominate and every one else just built a fun deck.

Not that I'd call any deck that looses "FUN". AMIRITE?! /Spike

Tanya · 2012-02-02 15:09:00

Obā-san · 2012-02-02 15:47:25

Nice.

Gelzo · 2012-02-02 15:48:52

This is why sac outlets can be helpful.

King_Friday · 2012-02-02 16:27:44

^^^ Awesome.

millercross · 2012-02-02 19:12:21

Anybody here feel like EDH-ing with me and a friend?

millercross · 2012-02-02 22:09:18

So, played a couple of games with Nyktos and Diamonne. He ended up with Elspeth's "Everything ever is indestructible" at the beginning of the game and killing Dia. I was fucked till Venser came out of nowhere and managed to make everything unblockable and hit for 24 damage when Nyktos was at 21.

My theory that Venser solves everything continues to get more evidence. I might even write a thesis.

Gelzo · 2012-02-03 01:02:28

But does he know why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

millercross · 2012-02-03 01:10:13

I said "solve" not "Answers". :P

also, this

Haven · 2012-02-03 02:27:18

Huh. I'd caught that in a few ways, but I had no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Idler · 2012-02-03 02:31:51

I remember Maro writing that the problem with Odyssey was that it was a graveyard block without there being any real reason for it to be so. Whereas of course, Gothic horror fits graveyard mechanics perfectly.

Haven · 2012-02-03 02:38:33

Well, it was postapocalyptic. That's kind of a weak connection, but I don't think it was a grave error.

Gelzo · 2012-02-03 02:39:59

Or a fatal mistake.

Haven · 2012-02-03 02:42:27

FATAL mistakes are the worst.

Gelzo · 2012-02-03 04:33:34

TheRapists can help you deal with them, though.

Obā-san · 2012-02-05 00:29:28

Complete Dick Combo:

Salix Babylonika · 2012-02-05 00:33:16

I still think Painter's Servant + Grindstone is worse.

Obā-san · 2012-02-05 00:38:13

But that's just LAWL U DIE.

This just uses 3 black mana to cripple their deck, and then you run them over.

.

Salix Babylonika · 2012-02-05 00:55:54

At least with that there is, hypothetically, some chance they could still win after you pull it off.

Painter's Servant + Grindstone is pretty much...well yeah, it's LAWL U DIE.

Obā-san · 2012-02-05 01:05:31

Which defeats the entire purpose of playing.

Which is picking apart your opponent's strategies and making them cry.

Viani · 2012-02-05 01:07:56

Which is why I don't like blind games.

"Oh hey you should play me"

"What are you using?"

"It's a secret."

"By secret you mean Paintgrind, then no."

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