I think saying that his initial intent is "clear" is pretty presumptuous. And there are arguments to be made to the contrary: When discussing the issue, he mentioned that he had, at different points, envisioned Dave and Rose as white and John and Jade as Asian. But either way, the point is that they don't have to be, which is what he was trying to get across. They are, for all intents and purposes, blank slates.
More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
John refers to Bro as "white," and Colonel Sassacre (John's ancestor) is strongly implied to have been a racist white man. Also the ectobiology babies were called "pink monkeys" at least once.
^^^^ Sassacre strikes me more as a parody of "folksy," casually offensive turn-of-the-century popular writers rather than some kind of kind of KKK type. And strictly speaking, they aren't related: Sassacre simply found Jane and Jake.
^^^ Me, neither.
I do sort of see Dave as having albinism, but that's not racial exactly.
More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
If Dave and John are white then so are Rose and Jade because ectobiology (I think; it is quite complicated :p ). I don't think Sassacre is meant to be a "KKK type" so much as a typically racist white southerner of the old days.
Really their race does not matter which is kind of the point of them being "blank" but I think there is evidence in canon that they are white.
And those bits of evidence make it so much more difficult for Hussie's araciality argument to work.
Unless the author goes well out of their way to be ambiguous on that point, the characters are going to have something resembling a racial identity. And Hussie did not plan that from the beginning (as far as I know); he added it to validate the fans who were getting hassled for their POC depictions of Homestuck. He may not have intended it, but that's how it turned out.
And if he didn't go the araciality way, Tumblr probably wouldn't have blown up as strongly against the tricksters (which, from the beginning, was a stupid blow up), and Hussie wouldn't have felt impelled to make that joke.
^^ Well, in the end it's semi-irrelevant given that they aren't related to anyone else on the planet, Jake and Jane's dad-bros aside.
^ He also noted that a lot of the stuff ended up pointing that way by accident because he just left in what he thought was funny without the intention of making indications either way.
More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
He said himself that back then, he didn't have the large audience he does now and didn't think about race much, but yes, it was kind of too late to make them "ambiguous."
I remember that scene after Cascade where Gamzee's comforting Karkat and he's a good foot taller than him.
Someone immediately pointed out to Hussie that he made Gamzee's tallness canon, breaking his promise to make almost nothing about the characters' physical appearance canon. I believe Hussie responded with a shop depicting Gamzee as a foot shorter than Karkat and floating in mid-air.
I feel like that embodies my issues with that argument, really.
This is slightly off topic, but it still rather amuses me how similar Lord English and Lord British are despite the fact that English was not based off of British
Lord English is named after the sidespin put on a cue-ball to change its angle of trajectory. Hussie only found out about Lord British and the postulate associated with the character—namely, the idea that certain invincible NPCs in an RPG may be killed by irregular means due to oversights in a game's design—well after the fact, although when he did see the similarities, he ran with it.
I don't necessarily mean current developments. There are over seven thousand pages to this thing. There must be ground that our little group has not covered.
Well, if what is supposed to be in the black box was in the black box, we'd have to make this a NWS thread, thus there is nothing in the black box.
That's a good question. The big theory in Act 5 was that they were getting axed by Bec Noir, but Bec hasn't really done anything of the sort. Then it was that English was axing them, but I don't think that's actually been shown in story (though it can be assumed that it occurs during the Caliborn flash).
The Caucasian incident was one of the few times that I've been upset because of stuff related to race. Not pissed, not sad, just upset. So, I'm driven to put my experience out there whenever it comes up.
^^^^^ I am more curious as to what their overarching intentions are. For instance, why do they oppose the creation of new universes?
^^^^ I wasn't so much annoyed with you as the fact that it spawned a lengthy conversation that went nowhere.
^^^ Oh, that. I was more inclined to assume that trolls were more... insect-like, in that respect, or perhaps even reptilian. But I never gave it any deep thought.
Yeah. The whole mother grub thing is pretty similar to termites, and some of the crude terminology that Karkat uses implies somewhat insectoid anatomy.
^^ That's actually a really interesting idea, although thinking about it now...
I would go one step further and propose that the Horrorterrors are former god tier players that won, only to watch universes that they created be destroyed by the very game that they won to create them. This is why they oppose the game while aiding the players nonetheless: They have a very good reason to hate it, but bear no malice against those chosen to play.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
this made me wonder what happens to like
the players who go godtier in a dead session
because, like, they’re immortal, and with everyone else dead there is no way they CAN die, because suicide is neither heroic nor just, so they will simply continue to reincarnate forever
until they start to go insane from lack of human contact and anomie
and although sburb keeps them from dying, i imagine that there’s some sort of degeneration going on, maybe every time they die they come back slightly wrong in some way, their speech becomes garbled and they slowly start to look less and less human or whatever
and eventually
inevitably
the only voices left for them to hear are the whispers from the furthest ring
because with all of the time in the universe, even prospit dreamers visit Derse eventually, and as the incipisphere ages the boundaries between universes start to weaken
and it’s so hard not to just give up and accept the invitation, shuck off one’s mortal bonds and leave the session for good, sliding into the many-tentacled embrace of the horrorterrors as your body fully degenerates into madness and lines of code, no longer yourself anymore
just a whisper of what once was but is no longer human.
Quick nit-pick, The horrorterros would come from many species, not just human.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
I also don't think it's necessary to "Come back wrong".
Only a few characters may become God tier in a session, hell, maybe ONE. Since paradox space isn't really limited or based on time, a player can spend billions of years running out of things to keep them sane.
Neither do I, although it could hurry along the process quite nicely.
In any case, I think that the theory that the Noble Order of Horrorterrors are former god tier players from successful and unsuccessful sessions is the most solid explanation for what they are and what their motivations are.
1. Race isn't something integral to Homestuck, and neither is the character's araciality. While the slip ups are certainly unfortunate, they're not hugely important and as such, I don't think it'd be wrong to interpret the characters as a particular race.
2. This is, to my knowledge, the only visual work to do something of this nature. It's natural that there would be some slip ups, and in my opinion it's kind of unreasonable to expect it to work perfectly the first time.
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Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Unless the author goes well out of their way to be ambiguous on that point, the characters are going to have something resembling a racial identity. And Hussie did not plan that from the beginning (as far as I know); he added it to validate the fans who were getting hassled for their POC depictions of Homestuck. He may not have intended it, but that's how it turned out.
And if he didn't go the araciality way, Tumblr probably wouldn't have blown up as strongly against the tricksters (which, from the beginning, was a stupid blow up), and Hussie wouldn't have felt impelled to make that joke.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Someone immediately pointed out to Hussie that he made Gamzee's tallness canon, breaking his promise to make almost nothing about the characters' physical appearance canon. I believe Hussie responded with a shop depicting Gamzee as a foot shorter than Karkat and floating in mid-air.
I feel like that embodies my issues with that argument, really.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
I can see some similarity.
Mark Twain had stuff in his writing. Mark Twain was a Southern man.
You know. Stuff.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
There's not much else to really go on, to be honest.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
That's a good question. The big theory in Act 5 was that they were getting axed by Bec Noir, but Bec hasn't really done anything of the sort. Then it was that English was axing them, but I don't think that's actually been shown in story (though it can be assumed that it occurs during the Caliborn flash).
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
The Caucasian incident was one of the few times that I've been upset because of stuff related to race. Not pissed, not sad, just upset. So, I'm driven to put my experience out there whenever it comes up.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
^ I think that I can get behind that.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis