A Music Discussion Heap of The Heapers' Hangout Forum [NO EMBEDS]

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  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    lee4hmz said:

    I like how people were complaining about pop music in the Middle Ages.

    Interestingly, early mediaeval choral music had far more of a resemblance to Middle Eastern and Jewish liturgical music than it did to even Renaissance secular music, let alone Baroque or Classical symphonic music. It was based on studies of Greek and Levantine practice going back hundreds of years and used some very unusual passing tones, some what we would now call microtonal, but the harmonies were all in fourths, fifths, ninths and octaves, if there were much harmony at all.
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    Now I'm wondering how MIDI handles instruments with odd tuning.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    lee4hmz said:

    Now I'm wondering how MIDI handles instruments with odd tuning.

    Not great. There are many, many ways to bend it, but it tends to be programmed to cleave to twelve-tone.
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    It looks like the packet format itself doesn't make any assumptions about the tuning (the notes are number 0-127 from lowest to highest), but since most MIDI devices are keyboards, I can see why anything but 12-tone would be hard to find.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    There is a Dutch open source computer program called Scala which allows you to reformat the tuning of a keyboard to anything that you might desire, but you still have to use the keys that you have. There are, of course, many alternate keyboard formats, including George Secor and Adrian Fokker's universal models which have been adapted for MIDI use after years of analogue use, and some cool keyboard-less controller options, but MIDI itself is a fairly limited format.
  • edited 2014-08-20 22:23:48
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    For point of reference, Fokker's 31-tone organ is one of the coolest looking things ever:

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    Now, mind you, Fokker was trying to get every note in 31-EDO over several octave onto a single organ keyboard. One could easily put 17 or 19 notes onto a regular keyboard with little change or expansion.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    By the way, this is what a nineteen-tone keyboard looks like:

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    Fairly straightforward. You just split the sharps and flats and throw in the notes between B & C and E & F.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    I am anoraking harder right now than any of you have seen me anorak before...
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Maybe you, but mostly I keep this level of nerdery to the parts of the Internet where everyone who I am talking to already knows what I am talking about. And really, this sort of thing is pretty basic compared to the full-on weirdness of temperament theory.
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    Of course, I'm thinking of situations where there isn't a keyboard at all, i.e. modeling a non-keyboard instrument, or dumping raw notes from a CPU into a sound generator.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Oh, that might be a slightly different case. I know very well how common refretted guitars are, particularly ones that use small but weird tunings like 14 or 16, so I have to wonder.
  • Where are the bees going? We just don't know.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Wrong thread, I think, if totally true.
  • For once, or maybe twice, I was in my prime.

    The 1740 one is deliciously ironic on several levels - viola da gamba killed the guitar, eh? - but it does make me sad that we don't hear that family of stringed instruments much any more outside of historical reconstructions. The same goes for the theorbo, which is a lovely thing.

    Pepe Deluxé has a viola da gamba on one (possibly two) tracks in [i]Queen of the Wave[/i]. Unfortunately the arrangements on those tracks are so dense that I can't pick out most of the individual instruments.
  • Wrong thread, I think, if totally true.

    is there a thread about that?
  • oh no, you're right, totally wrong thread. Twice now. How embarassing.
  • Wrong thread, I think, if totally true.

    is there a thread about that?
    well, the music thread prolly wouldn't be the thread about bees
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Unless we're talking about how David Thomas described one of the tones that Allen Ravenstine got out of his synthesiser as like a huge metal can full of bees, or talking about a metal group or album entitled Colony Collapse Disorder (which should exist if it doesn't already).
  • For once, or maybe twice, I was in my prime.
    naney said:

    Wrong thread, I think, if totally true.

    is there a thread about that?
    well, the music thread prolly wouldn't be the thread about bees


    What that stand for? BEES
  • CCD is brought up a couple times in Aesop Rock's Skelethon.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    CCD is brought up a couple times in Aesop Rock's Skelethon.

    Again, not surprised in the least.

    ...have I ever made a microtonal/xenharmonic music topic here? Because I totally should.
  • For once, or maybe twice, I was in my prime.
    Wovenhand mentions bees in both "White Knuckle Grip" and "Hiss". The former includes a field recording of a beehive as background noise.
  • www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwSveFnWzhI <= teaser
  • naney said:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwSveFnWzhI <= teaser

    So excited for this.
  • Anaconda is roughly two minutes too long and gets boring after a few listens

    yes i am once again disappointed with pop music
  • If nothing else, the ending is glorious.

    (Which applies to both the song and its respective video)
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    naney said:

    Anaconda is roughly two minutes too long and gets boring after a few listens

    yes i am once again disappointed with pop music

    I have not heard it, but what little I have heard of the "big summer jams" has been an endless parade of half-baked blandness and irritation with little exception.
  • We can do anything if we do it together.

    naney said:

    Anaconda is roughly two minutes too long and gets boring after a few listens

    yes i am once again disappointed with pop music

    I have not heard it, but what little I have heard of the "big summer jams" has been an endless parade of half-baked blandness and irritation with little exception.

    I've found it weird that there hasn't really been a "Rolling in the Deep" or a "Get Lucky" this year.

    There's usually at least one song like that every year that everyone can get behind, regardless of their respective tastes.

    I guess that just goes to show how insufferably bland, even by usual standards, the pop charts are at the moment.
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    Todd is so bored with the pop charts that he's only put out a few TPSRs this year...it's mostly been One-Hit Wonderland or specials.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    "Happy" was decent, but there's really nothing to say about it. It is a solid throwback number, lyrically upbeat and fun to listen and especially to dance to, but it's a little too silly and repetitive to be anything  ground-breaking.
  • For once, or maybe twice, I was in my prime.
    Relistened to Joy Electric's five Legacy albums. The Tick Tock Treasury and Ministry of Archers were much better than I remembered them.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    naney said:

    Anaconda is roughly two minutes too long and gets boring after a few listens

    yes i am once again disappointed with pop music

    I like Nicki Minaj's commitment to making her videos bizarre, but her songs need work lately.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    I really liked "Superbass" and what I heard of her early fire-spitting rap stuff, but Nicki Minaj hasn't impressed me in a long while. Kinda sad, that, because she does have a delightfully insane sense of humour.
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    Honestly being a pop starlet these days seems to involve having something of a quirky sense of humor.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    True. Everyone wants to catch Björk's Icelandic fairy magic. But I actually like her sense of humour, which is not generally the case.
  • Nicki Minaj makes pop music and that is not necessarily to everyone's taste.

    Calling Anaconda "bland" is weird to me though.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    I haven't heard it yet. There is a difference between "bland" and "boring," though. A really odd thing can outstay its welcome if it's not executed well enough or is overused.
  • yeah it's definitely not bland
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    naney said:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwSveFnWzhI <= teaser

    I'm psyched.
  • I got Prurient's Pleasure Ground today

    it seems like an ideal soundtrack for sloppy making out behaviours
  • For once, or maybe twice, I was in my prime.
    I'm listening to Joy Electric's Favorites at Play and feeling nostalgic for ten years ago, aw yeah!
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    naney said:

    I got Prurient's Pleasure Ground today

    it seems like an ideal soundtrack for sloppy making out behaviours

    We are totally going to snog to "Outdoorsman/Indestructible". We are doing this thing.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    YUSSSSSS~
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    :D
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    On a completely different note, Eitanora are an experimental drone/folk/improv outfit that shares a number of members with the notorious black metal/noise group Venowl. It's lovely stuff by some rather affable people who happen to also make monstrous shrieking ear poison (not in a bad way).
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