I think it also depends on the way that excitement is communicated.
If it's communicated to me with a sense of social obligation -- basically implying to some extent that I _should_ be hyped about something or I _should_ be aware of something -- then that annoys me. Same with the use of lots of jargon, be it fandom-specific jargon (various memes) or community-specific jargon (various other memes) just flying everywhere.
On the other hand, if someone makes an earnest, good-faith alert about something they like that they'd recommend to me, I usually don't mind.
For example:
"Hey, are you following the E3 stuff this year?" "no, what's up?" "just wanted to chat about some of the games presented there -- I'm so excited about the FF7 remake!" "oh, cool, they're finally doing it."
vs.
"yo...REMAKE HYPE" "uh...what?" "the remake, dude" "remake of what" "ff7 dude...u live under a rock or something?"
Maybe I exaggerated a bit but I think you get what I mean.
incidentally i just realized that the jargony and in-jokey behavior might be more common to a fanbase that's more ...i don't know the right word, but i want to say "cohesive", and usually larger, as in, like...they spend a lot more time talking to fellow fans than non-fan potential fans, and thus they start to more often mistake non-fans for fellow fans and do things that fellow fans would get but would annoy non-fans.
meanwhile, smaller fanbases pretty much HAVE to interface well with non-fans, or else they won't ever get out of their own little corner, and thus those fans are probably more used to talking about their thing in ways that are accessible and appealing to non-fans
It's late, (especially since the translation of mother 1 from the gba game rebalanced the game with the easy ring to make it better) but better late than never. I hope mother 3 will happen eventually and that some of these games reach the 3ds shop (I'd buy them immediately if that happened) but I'm not expecting that.
I think it also depends on the way that excitement is communicated.
If it's communicated to me with a sense of social obligation -- basically implying to some extent that I _should_ be hyped about something or I _should_ be aware of something -- then that annoys me. Same with the use of lots of jargon, be it fandom-specific jargon (various memes) or community-specific jargon (various other memes) just flying everywhere.
On the other hand, if someone makes an earnest, good-faith alert about something they like that they'd recommend to me, I usually don't mind.
For example:
"Hey, are you following the E3 stuff this year?" "no, what's up?" "just wanted to chat about some of the games presented there -- I'm so excited about the FF7 remake!" "oh, cool, they're finally doing it."
vs.
"yo...REMAKE HYPE" "uh...what?" "the remake, dude" "remake of what" "ff7 dude...u live under a rock or something?"
Maybe I exaggerated a bit but I think you get what I mean.
i get this, i think
like the latter probably wouldn't be enough to make me resent the remake itself, but i would feel mildly annoyed at the person
'get hype' is permissible only if you are an advertiser, and only then because in that case you are by default already annoying and pushy
Well lately I've had this one person who has been basically unilaterally messaging me on Steam about E3 news, for example. I kinda told him I wasn't interested and he still kept on going.
(I know him from another context, many years before either of us joined Steam, in case you're wondering.)
meanwhile, smaller fanbases pretty much HAVE to interface well with non-fans, or else they won't ever get out of their own little corner, and thus those fans are probably more used to talking about their thing in ways that are accessible and appealing to non-fans
My experiences with being into both Rayman and T&B pretty much solidify this idea (though as far as outward recognition goes, the one that people actually knew a little about was the one made by a French video game conglomerate).
Glenn said: Well lately I've had this one person who has been basically unilaterally messaging me on Steam about E3 news, for example. I kinda told him I wasn't interested and he still kept on going.(I know him from another context, many years before either of us joined Steam, in case you're wondering.)
It seems odd to me to use that as an example of all of these things you complained about (not all of which I disagree with), when, like, you're under no obligation to talk to Person A or discuss Subject B or discuss Subject C with Person D. Although in that case I'd give a flat "No, stop, please." or something.
I mean the Twitch chat-esque talk is a little irritating to me, but it's also largely not an issue. Watching the Splatoon part of the Nintendo World Championship was entirely easy since I just talked on IRC about it, and ignored the however many people on Twitch.
Glenn said: I think it also depends on the way that excitement is communicated.
If it's communicated to me with a sense of social obligation -- basically implying to some extent that I _should_ be hyped about something or I _should_ be aware of something -- then that annoys me. Same with the use of lots of jargon, be it fandom-specific jargon (various memes) or community-specific jargon (various other memes) just flying everywhere.
On the other hand, if someone makes an earnest, good-faith alert about something they like that they'd recommend to me, I usually don't mind.
For example:
"Hey, are you following the E3 stuff this year?" "no, what's up?" "just wanted to chat about some of the games presented there -- I'm so excited about the FF7 remake!" "oh, cool, they're finally doing it."
vs.
"yo...REMAKE HYPE" "uh...what?" "the remake, dude" "remake of what" "ff7 dude...u live under a rock or something?"
Maybe I exaggerated a bit but I think you get what I mean.
In my experience, these comments are not aimed at you overall, is the thing. When I talk all "Who's hype for Afterbirth!" I'm not speaking to glennmagusharvey the person I've rarely seen talk about it Binding of Isaac. I'm talking to folks like Eriophora, or Fossilmaiden. Being annoyed by that seems akin to being annoyed by "Scumlord ruined his streak!" in IRC when I'm pretty evidently talking to folks that follow Northernlion and care about his streak to any degree.
Mind, I also prefer the former, though that doesn't mean I'm more irritated by seeing, I dunno, this which was apparently prompted by all of the sad Lilith art (can't say I'm surprised given that she begins blindfolded for whatever reason), crossed with u/Elkopolo's muscular Isaac meme which I knew about since it rather took over the subreddit at one point. Even when I didn't have an idea I was just confused (granted finding out was pretty easy, but details). Similarly I don't mind jargon or even lots of it until it gets excessive, since it's not like Central is under any obligation to dumb down her typography chatter for me or speak plainly if she wants to speak about intricate typography stuff I have no clue about.
There are also other differences like how I'm barely involved in such fandom-based matters, etc., but details.
Not sure why the quoteblocks are being tiresome but I am too tired to fix them, so blah.
It seems odd to me to use that as an example of all of these things you complained about (not all of which I disagree with), when, like, you're under no obligation to talk to Person A or discuss Subject B or discuss Subject C with Person D. Although in that case I'd give a flat "No, stop, please." or something.
He wasn't the only one.
In my experience, these comments are not aimed at you overall, is the thing. When I talk all "Who's hype for Afterbirth!" I'm not speaking to glennmagusharvey the person I've rarely seen talk about it Binding of Isaac. I'm talking to folks like Eriophora, or Fossilmaiden. Being annoyed by that seems akin to being annoyed by "Scumlord ruined his streak!" in IRC when I'm pretty evidently talking to folks that follow Northernlion and care about his streak to any degree.
I know that, but sometimes they are. and even if they aren't that doesn't make them non-irritating. As you said, you hung out on IRC but that doesn't prevent you from disliking Twitch-style chat-meme spamming.
As a general point, all I'm asking is for fanbases to be a little less self-absorbed.
i guess as a correction to my previous post, i wouldn't (knowingly) be annoyed with someone for using jargon, gaming-related or otherwise.
But i think there's a big difference between jargon and slang. People use jargon to be precise because they know what they're talking about, and that's fine by me. It's not meant to exclude anyone.
Slang isn't always intended to be exclusionary either, of course, but jargon is less likely to get on my nerves, is what i'm saying.
Slang and jargon aren't too much different when it comes to informal conversation about lay topics like videogames from the perspective of fans...
But yeah.
I actually feel kinda bad raining on people's parades with regards to E3 hype -- because they are obvious quite excited about whatever it is they're talking about, and that's a happy thing, even if I can't share it due to my not being familiar with the games they're talking about.
Just that they get a little obnoxious sometimes, overdoing their excitement.
@glenn: He wasn't the only one, and? Like, all the people on your friends list, or my friends list, are people we have bothered to add. So it strikes me a little unfair to the people excited for E3 talking to you, who you talk with and added voluntarily, when you're under no obligation to talk to them and could just as easily them to straight up hush. Or ignore them. Or any number of things.
I would also be more annoyed with Twitch-style meme spamming, except I can't actually recall the last time I was forced to or forced myself into dealing with them.
But asking fandoms to stop being a little less "self-absorbed"? Really?
@glenn: He wasn't the only one, and? Like, all the people on your friends list, or my friends list, are people we have bothered to add. So it strikes me a little unfair to the people excited for E3 talking to you, who you talk with and added voluntarily, when you're under no obligation to talk to them and could just as easily them to straight up hush. Or ignore them. Or any number of things.
To be fair, y'know, I didn't use "how much will you spam me about E3" as a criterion for whether to add them or not.
Do you mean that fans shouldn't assume non-fans care about the same stuff as them?
Basically that. Also a general awareness that one's expressions of excitement may be seen as a little annoying to non-fans, I guess. And a willingness to inform non-fans about what's going on -- not necessarily to get them to love it too, but just enough so they aren't horribly confused, basically.
And not just non-fans. There may be other fans who like something too but don't enjoy it in the same way.
Well the one cool thing that happened in these past few days was that Mother 1 was announced for an official English-language release, finally. That is pretty darned awesome.
It means I now have three reasons to get a WiiU.
Five if Mega Man 9 and 10 are available on WiiU's VC. I don't know if they are.
From what I can tell, Mega Man 9 and 10 are currently available on the Wii's virtual console (they are still listed on Nintendo's site), so you should be able to buy them and play them in the Wii U's Wii mode.
anyways: what is the appeal of half life 2? it was one of the first things i picked up when i decided that i was going to catch up on all the video games i didnt play as a kid or a young teen and i just didnt like it at all
anyways: what is the appeal of half life 2? it was one of the first things i picked up when i decided that i was going to catch up on all the video games i didnt play as a kid or a young teen and i just didnt like it at all
anyways: what is the appeal of half life 2? it was one of the first things i picked up when i decided that i was going to catch up on all the video games i didnt play as a kid or a young teen and i just didnt like it at all
a lot of the stuff it did when it came out has since been copied to death so that's not shocking
Fairly decent graphics for the time, a female protagonist who actually had something resembling a character and competency, literally everything about the gravity gun.
It was ambitious for its time, and yet managed to not bite off more than it could chew.
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If it's communicated to me with a sense of social obligation -- basically implying to some extent that I _should_ be hyped about something or I _should_ be aware of something -- then that annoys me. Same with the use of lots of jargon, be it fandom-specific jargon (various memes) or community-specific jargon (various other memes) just flying everywhere.
On the other hand, if someone makes an earnest, good-faith alert about something they like that they'd recommend to me, I usually don't mind.
For example:
"Hey, are you following the E3 stuff this year?"
"no, what's up?"
"just wanted to chat about some of the games presented there -- I'm so excited about the FF7 remake!"
"oh, cool, they're finally doing it."
vs.
"yo...REMAKE HYPE"
"uh...what?"
"the remake, dude"
"remake of what"
"ff7 dude...u live under a rock or something?"
Maybe I exaggerated a bit but I think you get what I mean.
meanwhile, smaller fanbases pretty much HAVE to interface well with non-fans, or else they won't ever get out of their own little corner, and thus those fans are probably more used to talking about their thing in ways that are accessible and appealing to non-fans
oh gosh that was a lot of adverbs
like the latter probably wouldn't be enough to make me resent the remake itself, but i would feel mildly annoyed at the person
'get hype' is permissible only if you are an advertiser, and only then because in that case you are by default already annoying and pushy
but it is kind of irritating, anyway.
(I know him from another context, many years before either of us joined Steam, in case you're wondering.)
It seems odd to me to use that as an example of all of these things you complained about (not all of which I disagree with), when, like, you're under no obligation to talk to Person A or discuss Subject B or discuss Subject C with Person D. Although in that case I'd give a flat "No, stop, please." or something.
Glenn said: I think it also depends on the way that excitement is communicated.
If it's communicated to me with a sense of social obligation -- basically implying to some extent that I _should_ be hyped about something or I _should_ be aware of something -- then that annoys me. Same with the use of lots of jargon, be it fandom-specific jargon (various memes) or community-specific jargon (various other memes) just flying everywhere.
On the other hand, if someone makes an earnest, good-faith alert about something they like that they'd recommend to me, I usually don't mind.
For example:
"Hey, are you following the E3 stuff this year?"
"no, what's up?"
"just wanted to chat about some of the games presented there -- I'm so excited about the FF7 remake!"
"oh, cool, they're finally doing it."
vs.
"yo...REMAKE HYPE"
"uh...what?"
"the remake, dude"
"remake of what"
"ff7 dude...u live under a rock or something?"
Maybe I exaggerated a bit but I think you get what I mean.
In my experience, these comments are not aimed at you overall, is the thing. When I talk all "Who's hype for Afterbirth!" I'm not speaking to glennmagusharvey the person I've rarely seen talk about it Binding of Isaac. I'm talking to folks like Eriophora, or Fossilmaiden. Being annoyed by that seems akin to being annoyed by "Scumlord ruined his streak!" in IRC when I'm pretty evidently talking to folks that follow Northernlion and care about his streak to any degree.
Oh yessssss~
Looking just as smooth and fun as 64. :D
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IS THIS A DREAM.
complained about (not all of which I disagree with), when, like, you're
under no obligation to talk to Person A or discuss Subject B or discuss
Subject C with Person D. Although in that case I'd give a flat "No,
stop, please." or something.
He wasn't the only one.
the thing. When I talk all "Who's hype for Afterbirth!" I'm not
speaking to glennmagusharvey the person I've rarely seen talk about it Binding of Isaac.
I'm talking to folks like Eriophora, or Fossilmaiden. Being annoyed by
that seems akin to being annoyed by "Scumlord ruined his streak!" in IRC
when I'm pretty evidently talking to folks that follow Northernlion and
care about his streak to any degree.
I know that, but sometimes they are. and even if they aren't that doesn't make them non-irritating. As you said, you hung out on IRC but that doesn't prevent you from disliking Twitch-style chat-meme spamming.
As a general point, all I'm asking is for fanbases to be a little less self-absorbed.
But i think there's a big difference between jargon and slang. People use jargon to be precise because they know what they're talking about, and that's fine by me. It's not meant to exclude anyone.
Slang isn't always intended to be exclusionary either, of course, but jargon is less likely to get on my nerves, is what i'm saying.
But yeah.
I actually feel kinda bad raining on people's parades with regards to E3 hype -- because they are obvious quite excited about whatever it is they're talking about, and that's a happy thing, even if I can't share it due to my not being familiar with the games they're talking about.
Just that they get a little obnoxious sometimes, overdoing their excitement.
Because i think you may have lost me there.
Do you mean that fans shouldn't assume non-fans care about the same stuff as them?
Basically that. Also a general awareness that one's expressions of excitement may be seen as a little annoying to non-fans, I guess. And a willingness to inform non-fans about what's going on -- not necessarily to get them to love it too, but just enough so they aren't horribly confused, basically.
And not just non-fans. There may be other fans who like something too but don't enjoy it in the same way.
Reality makes sense again.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Like I agree Nintendo's showing was underwhelming but each individual release seemed okay at least.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead