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  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    expressing disagreement with someone isn't harassment :|
  • no but the sort of person who that is aimed at can't tell the difference
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    The box is empty. It's empty.

    What you put in it may be just mild disagreement, but what others put in it certainly isn't.

    And hey, maybe what you think is mild disagreement is really disparaging and hurtful.
  • Jane said:

    no but the sort of person who that is aimed at can't tell the difference

    not sure whose problem that is though
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    in any even, the whole "older people abusing teens on tumblr" narrative is bizarre to me because from what I've seen teens are far more likely to be harassed by other teens
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    And because teenagers are idiots, you as an adult should know better, but here you are.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    You're really gonna do the thing where you call me an adult even though it makes me uncomfortable? Seriously?
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Seriously, how did you take my "I'm not going to let you off for saying racist or sexist things just because you're a teenager" and turn that into me being an adult who wants to harass teenagers??
  • edited 2015-12-11 05:48:25
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Right, I forgot about that, and well, I was speaking to a more general you.

    But yeah, sure fine. Teenagers will hurt each other and since you've seen it and know that, you (as in people in general) should know better than to harass teenagers over stupid shit.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Well, you have the experience. You really should know better than they do because you've been through that shit.
  • edited 2015-12-11 05:50:08
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    If we're going to say that experience doesn't leads to age, it doesn't make the experience go away.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    MachSpeed said:

    But yeah, sure fine. Teenagers will hurt each other and since you've seen it and know that, you (as in people in general) should know better than to harass teenagers over stupid shit.
    Ok, but you're acting like I said that harassing teenagers is acceptable, and that's pissing me off.

    I said I'm not going to let them use "but I'm a teenager" as an excuse for saying bigoted things. Calling them out for bigotry is not always harassment.
  • edited 2015-12-11 05:52:00
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    You didn't intend to, but that's what you did end up saying by implication.

    We all say things we don't mean sometimes or we don't cover all that we mean. It's fine.
  • I gotta say, now that I'm out as, like an actual teenager:

    I never really got why people think we should be held less accountable for our actions. It doesn't make me feel any better and actually kind of comes off as condescending. :|
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    You're attacking the sentiment of "Be nice to the kids, they don't have a lot," a sentiment that is very important to me, and so I have not used the right words today.

    "Be nice to the kids," and "think before you speak" are things we can agree on, right?
  • edited 2015-12-11 05:56:22
    Munch munch, chomp chomp...
    I still wouldn't bother because teenagers are, well, teenagers. Even if you are heartfelt and try to speak on their level, younger folks are simply less developed overall and aren't going to speak on your level experience-wise (or at least not as easily), generally speaking. Less that it's wrong to call out bigotry, more that you are very likely going to be wasting your breath, and/or getting angrier.

    At least in my experience, although teens are still teens, other platitudes, blah blah blah.
  • It's not a matter of being held accountable, it's a matter of not being held to unreasonable standards.

    And anyway, I don't know why we're talking about this, I wasn't accusing Central Avenue of anything.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    MachSpeed said:

    You didn't intend to, but that's what you did end up saying by implication.


    We all say things we don't mean sometimes or we don't cover all that we mean. It's fine.
    Ok, you're gonna have to explain your reasoning for me, because I'm not seeing how you made the leap from "CentralAve thinks adults expressing disagreement with teenagers is acceptable" to "CentralAve thinks harrassment and bullying of teenagers by adults is acceptable."
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    The only thing I can think of is that you've had an extremely different Tumblr experience than I have, where the issue was only raised in cases of actual bullying or harassment.

    Because I've seen plenty of instances where "but you're an adult and I'm a teenager, you should leave me alone!" is used to shut down harmless criticism.
  • Really I kind of think that coming into anyone's social media space (be that twitter mentions or DMs or tumblr messages or whatever) uninvited to criticize something they did is, at the best of times, rude, unless what they did is actually actively directly harmful.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    I wouldn't even bother with someone like that in the first place, much as I wouldn't bother with the reverse.
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    The post is: "Don't harass teenagers, consider before you speak." That's the communicated meaning.

    You take it to mean; "Don't tell me what to do, I'll tell them what I think irregardless."

    You might not want to do it, you might not realize you're doing it, but you could still be doing it. Other adults do that too.
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Like I've seen people with some years behind them think they were being funny and righteous and strong-willed and then realize, no, they were just harassing others.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    MachSpeed said:

    The post is: "Don't harass teenagers, consider before you speak." That's the communicated meaning.

    I guess this is where we're disagreeing. You took it to mean "don't harass teenagers"; I took it to mean "don't criticize teenagers"

    That said, my reading it that way was likely due to, as I said, having seen people actually say that in the past.
  • dont criticize children you dont know, its pointless and rude
  • edited 2015-12-11 06:06:55
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Also, speaking of which, in what world is bigotry a "meaningless opinion?"

    Because it says "meaningless opinion." You've ascribed that meaning into those words. To me, a meaningless opinion is, I don't know, something something about video games and TV I guess?

    And yes, you don't know them. Not only is it rude, but since they don't know you, they won't listen, or they'll listen to the wrong things.
  • Tumblr is public, though
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    There's public, and then there's public, and then there's public.
  • and?

    aaaand anything you post in public is fair game to be responded to.
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    It shouldn't be.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Asking me to treat you a certain way because I'm an "adult" isn't going to get you anywhere anyways because that means you've refused to respect my decision to opt out of being considered an adult
  • edited 2015-12-11 06:12:53
    Munch munch, chomp chomp...

    Asking me to treat you a certain way because I'm an "adult" isn't going to get you anywhere anyways because that means you've refused to respect my decision to opt out of being considered an adult

    While we understand you feel a certain way about adult/child stuff, the randos you meet online won't, keep in mind. And by that point you're faulting someone for something they didn't even know, which is more than a little unfair, never mind sidetracking from the main point (whatever criticisms).
  • Acererak said:

    and?

    aaaand anything you post in public is fair game to be responded to.
    you're kind of a creep, you know that?
  • I mean sending death threats isn't cool or anything, but that isn't what CA is saying... 
  • Acererak said:

    and?

    aaaand anything you post in public is fair game to be responded to.
    no no no no no no no no no no no no.

    No.

    No no no.

    No.

    Nuh-uh.

    Nah.

    No.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    What am I supposed to call you, then?
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Well, okay, I guess you're a teenager like all the others.

    Then, take steps to think about what you say before you speak to your peers, I understand that adolescence means that tempers can flare a little high, happens very often to adults too.
  • edited 2015-12-11 06:13:52

    like

    I dont like sharing this place with you

    you are an astoundingly unpleasant person in every respect that I can think of
  • Acererak said:

    and?

    aaaand anything you post in public is fair game to be responded to.
    you're kind of a creep, you know that?
    -cocks head-

    OK, why? I don't see what was wrong about what I said.
  • Like

    being in public on the internet is the same as being in public in a city.

    If someone just comes up to you and says "Hey. I don't like what you're wearing."

    They are not doing anything illegal, but that person is an asshole.

    If you go to someone's tumblr inbox and say "Hey. I don't like your favored Steven Universe pairing."

    They are not doing anything illegal, but again, that person is an asshole.
  • Again, that seems to be misrepresenting what CA's trying to say. 
  • like

    I dont like sharing this place with you

    you are an astoundingly unpleasant person in every respect that I can think of

    Well that's nice to hear. Suffice to say, I've also got a fair bit of resentment for you.
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Lots of folks like to pretend the whole internet is one big global village, but it isn't. It really isn't.

    There are places where you're welcome and places where you aren't.
  • flooding peoples' inboxes with complaints about how their opinions on anime and TV shows are Bad and Wrong isn't the same thing as telling someone why something they might have written would upset some people

    although yes, a lot of the vitriol is at times unnecessary
  • Acererak said:

    Again, that seems to be misrepresenting what CA's trying to say. 

    I am responding to what you said here;
    Acererak said:

    and?

    aaaand anything you post in public is fair game to be responded to.

  • Munch munch, chomp chomp...
    Isn't now precisely the time when such personal disagreements are settled privately?
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Acererak said:

    flooding peoples' inboxes with complaints about how their opinions on anime and TV shows are Bad and Wrong isn't the same thing as telling someone why something they might have written would upset some people


    although yes, a lot of the vitriol is at times unnecessary
    Too often, the intent to do the latter turns into the former, is what I'm saying.
  • Jane said:

    Acererak said:

    Again, that seems to be misrepresenting what CA's trying to say. 

    I am responding to what you said here;
    Acererak said:

    and?

    aaaand anything you post in public is fair game to be responded to.

    OK. I could have phrased that better.
  • I was actually typing another response but then people responded really quickly and it was a mess.

    I'm not sure how to have phrased it, and I still think we're operating under different definitions on what we're arguing about here.
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