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  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022

    I did actually read one of the hateblogs in question. They weren't wrong, per se, but yeah, "oh god stop harassing teenagers for minor stuff when there's Arpaio-level a-holes running about" was my reaction too.
    Yeah. A lot of these people seem to lack any sort of sense of perspective. They'll latch onto something mildly offensive but ultimately harmless--a sexualized drawing of an underage character, a trans woman being referred to as "futanari", etc--and constantly hound whoever's responsible relentlessly. And they think they're in the right with their harassment because they're on the "right" side of whatever social justice issue is involved.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    I mean I know most Tumblr teens aren't like that, but a disturbing number are and it really needs to stop.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Torgo said:

    People with mild ideological differences are way more of a target than outright enemies, sadly.

    So it doesn't get lost.

    One thing I do think Tumblr handles well is that when it turns out someone big on the community is engaged in interpersonal abusive behavior, they take it pretty seriously.
  • edited 2015-10-26 23:05:55
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    ^^^ If you want someone to change or apologise or whatever, treating them like shit is either going to just inflict pain on them without changing the situation or make them ornery and encourage them to do the exact opposite thing of what you wanted in the first place, which is presumably a change. But then, some people just want an excuse to make other people feel small because their own lives are fucked up.

    ^ True.
  • kill living beings
    unfortunately "interpersonal abusive behavior" seems to be pretty weirdly defined at times
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    0vvvv0 said:

    ^^^ If you want someone to change or apologise or whatever, treating them like shit is either going to just inflict pain on them without changing the situation or make them ornery and encourage them to do the exact opposite thing of what you wanted in the first place, which is presumably a change. But then, some people just want an excuse to make other people feel small because their own lives are fucked up.


    ^ True.
    I know it sounds like a cheap insult, but I really, genuinely get the impression a lot of these people don't socialize much outside the internet. Because, well, if you took the "I'm gonna rant and rave every time you say something offensive instead of explaining calmly why it's wrong" approach in real life, you wouldn't have any friends left.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    0vvvv0 said:

    ^^^ If you want someone to change or apologise or whatever, treating them like shit is either going to just inflict pain on them without changing the situation or make them ornery and encourage them to do the exact opposite thing of what you wanted in the first place, which is presumably a change. But then, some people just want an excuse to make other people feel small because their own lives are fucked up.


    ^ True.
    I know it sounds like a cheap insult, but I really, genuinely get the impression a lot of these people don't socialize much outside the internet. Because, well, if you took the "I'm gonna rant and rave every time you say something offensive instead of explaining calmly why it's wrong" approach in real life, you wouldn't have any friends left.
    I can confirm this. I can also confirm that in real life, people say stupid things, and context and mutual trust goes a long way in understanding that, hey, not every tactless thing said is a sign of bigotry or even general tastelessness or stupidity! People fuck up, and are still good people!
  • Torgo said:

    People with mild ideological differences are way more of a target than outright enemies, sadly.

    I think that's because the former are more accessible, part of your community or ingroup or whatever.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    ~ said:


    Torgo said:

    People with mild ideological differences are way more of a target than outright enemies, sadly.

    I think that's because the former are more accessible, part of your community or ingroup or whatever.
    Yes.

    It's also that whole "Combat Liberalism" mentality, which is astounding bullshit, but I digress.
  • Lot of controversy on Tumblr today largely centering on roundabout justification for the harassment of this Zamii character and something tells me Steven Universe will eventually go the way of Homestuck where it's suddenly the Relevant Thing for the more wanky parts of sj to hate.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Tucker said:

    Lot of controversy on Tumblr today largely centering on roundabout justification for the harassment of this Zamii character and something tells me Steven Universe will eventually go the way of Homestuck where it's suddenly the Relevant Thing for the more wanky parts of sj to hate.

    Also for goons to hate.
  • honestly after the blog posts I saw about it last night I'm pretty fucking done with the tumblr portion of the SU fandom at the very least

    people upset that it'll "reflect poorly on Steventhusiasts" (apparently at some point we started using this unironically) instead of about the fact that some kid almost fucking killed themselves
  • edited 2015-10-27 00:23:33
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    ^^^ That would be pretty damned difficult. I mean, Steven Universe is like the apotheosis of progressive aspirations for children's programming incarnate. Twitter Marxists™ aside, lefties have about as much room to ideologically savage that show as they have room to engage in a prize-fight in a snuffbox.
  • I have seen people criticize Connie, though offhand, I don't actually remember why

    but yes most ideological criticism of the show is from the right, people who think transgender aren't real and such.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    honestly after the blog posts I saw about it last night I'm pretty fucking done with the tumblr portion of the SU fandom at the very least


    people upset that it'll "reflect poorly on Steventhusiasts" (apparently at some point we started using this unironically) instead of about the fact that some kid almost fucking killed themselves
    What.

    OK, what the fuck is the context here, even.
  • I am making it sound worse than it is but last night the crystal-gems blog was doing a bunch of handwringing over how this would reflect on the fandom.

    could you not
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    For all that the SU fandom bitched about the MLP and Homestuck fandoms, they became a punchline in a quicker timeframe than either of them managed.

    Bravo.
  • yeah fandom infighting is clearly the problem here
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    If she didn't live, I wouldn't have made a comment like that.

    It's sad what happened to her, and I hope she gets through this relatively alright.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    I mean, who was harassing who over what that made the latter suicidal? I am confused as to what is going on with that.
  • 0vvvv0 said:

    I mean, who was harassing who over what that made the latter suicidal? I am confused as to what is going on with that.

    she drew fanart that some people didn't like and it eventually spiraled into an actual harassment campaign.

    ofc because no one is ever capable of taking responsibility of anything now people are trying to say that she actually faked going to the hospital because the textures of the walls in the pictures she posted don't look like hospital wall textures.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    0vvvv0 said:

    I mean, who was harassing who over what that made the latter suicidal? I am confused as to what is going on with that.

    A quick rundown of some of the harassment, and the outcome
  • 0vvvv0 said:

    I mean, who was harassing who over what that made the latter suicidal? I am confused as to what is going on with that.

    A quick rundown of some of the harassment, and the outcome
    man, that was depressing to read.
  • I am gonna gouge out my eyes so I never have to read anything like that ever again holy shit.
  • also this is really tangential but I don't understand the "Pearl is coded Jewish" thing I've seen lately.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Slappy Squirrel is transparently coded Jewish (she IS Jewish!), where are people getting this with Pearl
  • like I don't wanna put words in peoples' mouths but it really does seem to just be "she has a big nose and is therefore Jewish"

    which uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    The overlap between Tumblr beliefs and Stormfront beliefs strikes again
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat

    like I don't wanna put words in peoples' mouths but it really does seem to just be "she has a big nose and is therefore Jewish"


    which uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    I thought it had to do with her being neurotic

    Still a weird assumption though
  • kill living beings

    also this is really tangential but I don't understand the "Pearl is coded Jewish" thing I've seen lately.

    fucking hate fandoms
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    ~ said:

    0vvvv0 said:

    I mean, who was harassing who over what that made the latter suicidal? I am confused as to what is going on with that.

    A quick rundown of some of the harassment, and the outcome
    man, that was depressing to read.

    I am gonna gouge out my eyes so I never have to read anything like that ever again holy shit.

    Things like this are why I will never accept "they're just teenagers discovering social justice issues for the first time, let them be!" as an excuse for Tumblr harassment ever again.

    It's one thing when you have well-meaning but overzealous people like Spork or Jethroq where you can just say "well, that's a little extreme, but their heart's in the right place." It's quite another when you have people attacking vulnerable young teenagers. >:(
  • edited 2015-10-27 01:01:15
    Munch munch, chomp chomp...
    I am pretty sure the majority of "let them be!" comments has to do with them figuring out their identities. Not harassment. I haven't seen it here and I certainly haven't see much of it on Tumblr proper.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022

    I am pretty sure the majority of "let them be!" comments has to do with them figuring out their identities. Not harassment. I haven't seen it here and I certainly haven't see much of it on Tumblr proper.

    For the most part, yes, but it's also one of those things where I see at least some people paint it in overly broad strokes, where any sort of apprehension towards "callout culture" just gets the "let them be" response.

    It's not a common position, I'll give you that, but it is one I've encountered before.
  • somehow what really stood out was "that hospital video was so fake, don't you know that at a hospital only doctors wear scrubs and not patients?" 

    like, holy willful ignorance
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Anonus said:

    like I don't wanna put words in peoples' mouths but it really does seem to just be "she has a big nose and is therefore Jewish"


    which uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    I thought it had to do with her being neurotic

    Still a weird assumption though
    I honestly thought Pearl was more coded birb.

    I mean, sure, there are some Jewish comedy tropes in her character, intentionally or not, but you don't have to be a secret Jew to be a nebbish with a schnozz. And she really is just super... birdy.
  • Munch munch, chomp chomp...
    Sure, fair, it just read like a similarly broad statement on my end.

    @Pearl, Vash: It's no question why I identify with Pearl, really.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    0vvvv0 said:

    Anonus said:

    like I don't wanna put words in peoples' mouths but it really does seem to just be "she has a big nose and is therefore Jewish"


    which uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    I thought it had to do with her being neurotic

    Still a weird assumption though
    I honestly thought Pearl was more coded birb.

    I mean, sure, there are some Jewish comedy tropes in her character, intentionally or not, but you don't have to be a secret Jew to be a nebbish with a schnozz. And she really is just super... birdy.
    This was my impression too. I mean fans even call her "Birdmom"!
  • I really have no idea how to cogently organize my thoughts on this.

    It's all just so enraging and stupid.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    I really like her character, even if her behaviour can be genuinely painful to watch at times.

    But yeah, that was actual bullying going down there. No other word for it. They were tormenting this girl for being naïve and awkward and justifying it with political rhetoric and that is fucking disgusting.
  • I have written a post on my tumblog about the issue and that's the last I plan to say on the matter.
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    I'm not saying "let them be." I'm saying "they're stupid kids, they're doing stupid things, what do you expect."

    It's awful. It's wrong. But expected.
  • I'm tempted to extensively pick apart at the minutiae of the hateblog's complaints, but that won't make this any less terrible

    Still though, I don't even get how people are supposed to automatically interpret Sardonyx as having an afro.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Yeah, she has, like... triangle hair. Like Peridot but more stylish.
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    She has a what?
  • An afro is a particular type of hairstyle associated with black people and sometimes jewish people

    if you've ever seen a pic of Bob Marley, he has one. this guy has a smaller one

    image

    Garnet definitely has an afro, though that's more obvious in the pilot
  • Garnet has an afro.

    Sardonyx has like...an irregular pentagon.

    Something minor that bothers me about this is that these people seem to have no concept of scales. Some of that stuff is barely offensive at all and some of it is really offensive and there is no distinction made between the two.

    Not that distinguishing such would make the harassment okay, but you know.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Like I said before, the people who do this kind of thing have no sense of perspective when it comes to "problematic" things.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    They're acting like gamergate parodies of tumblr
  • also this is really tangential but I don't understand the "Pearl is coded Jewish" thing I've seen lately.

    big nose

    TOTALLY not racist amirite
  • Anonus said:

    like I don't wanna put words in peoples' mouths but it really does seem to just be "she has a big nose and is therefore Jewish"


    which uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    I thought it had to do with her being neurotic

    Still a weird assumption though
    that's kind of an even worse stereotype
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