You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
I've known a couple people who call themselves "SJWs" in a misguided attempt to "reclaim" the term
Usually they tend to be Kankri Vantas types who don't understand that not all activism is good or that bad activism can be harmful
its weird when tumblr draws a little line connecting two interests you have which you thought would never meet
a brutalist architecture blog i follow just reblogged a picture of a 60s concrete football stadium from the blog of, of all people, mid to late 00s journeyman striker rohan ricketts (?!)
I used to use the term when referring to people who are doing social justice all wrong, which Tumblr has a pretty loud contingent of. However, the problem is that "doing social justice wrong" for some people means caring about the topic at all. So yeah, it is exactly that it's going the way of "political correctness" of going from a term used within the progressive community for those being stupid, to one being used by bigots as an all-purpose club for those that oppose bigotry.
For me, the worst "social justice done wrong" tends to mean the insular, cultish thing, whose adherents isolate themselves more and more from the general population in a death-spiral of "radicaler than thou" to the degree that everyone not within their tiny clique is the enemy. It really is scarily similar to religious cults.
There's also the general "using SJ as a points-scoring system of elitism" issue, which is very high-school and rather annoying but less ultimately damaging.
i don't know if i'm imagining it, but i think there does exist a group of people who are nominally pro-social justice but in practice are extremely bigoted, and consequently identify almost all instances of activism as bad activism. The kind who claim feminists are not always bad, but are likely to call Margaret Thatcher 'one of the good ones' and identify any actual feminists they encounter as 'feminazis'.
Does this align with anyone else's experiences? i feel like i see these a lot online: usually young, usually atheist or religious moderate, pro-socialized healthcare and anti-tuition fees but also anti-trade union, pro-gay marriage but entirely dismissive of concepts such as white privilege, rape culture and the sex-gender distinction.
You know? The kinds of people who get very much upset if accused of sexism and racism, but who seem to think these ended in 1920 and 1965 respectively, and that the religious right have a monopoly on present day bigotry.
Are these people as commonplace as i think or is this confirmation bias speaking?
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
I've definitely encountered people like that before. Unsurprisingly, they're usually white men from well-off families.
i don't know if i'm imagining it, but i think there does exist a group of people who are nominally pro-social justice but in practice are extremely bigoted, and consequently identify almost all instances of activism as bad activism. The kind who claim feminists are not always bad, but are likely to call Margaret Thatcher 'one of the good ones' and identify any actual feminists they encounter as 'feminazis'.
Does this align with anyone else's experiences? i feel like i see these a lot online: usually young, usually atheist or religious moderate, pro-socialized healthcare and anti-tuition fees but also anti-trade union, pro-gay marriage but entirely dismissive of concepts such as white privilege, rape culture and the sex-gender distinction.
You know? The kinds of people who get very much upset if accused of sexism and racism, but who seem to think these ended in 1920 and 1965 respectively, and that the religious right have a monopoly on present day bigotry.
Are these people as commonplace as i think or is this confirmation bias speaking?
i don't know if i'm imagining it, but i think there does exist a group of people who are nominally pro-social justice but in practice are extremely bigoted, and consequently identify almost all instances of activism as bad activism. The kind who claim feminists are not always bad, but are likely to call Margaret Thatcher 'one of the good ones' and identify any actual feminists they encounter as 'feminazis'.
Does this align with anyone else's experiences? i feel like i see these a lot online: usually young, usually atheist or religious moderate, pro-socialized healthcare and anti-tuition fees but also anti-trade union, pro-gay marriage but entirely dismissive of concepts such as white privilege, rape culture and the sex-gender distinction.
You know? The kinds of people who get very much upset if accused of sexism and racism, but who seem to think these ended in 1920 and 1965 respectively, and that the religious right have a monopoly on present day bigotry.
Are these people as commonplace as i think or is this confirmation bias speaking?
^^ Not wrong. A lot of people have vaguely left-leaning political positions but don't really recognise their own prejudices very well and hold some very authoritarian notions without seeing that they are such.
Yeah, all of that. I think most of them are at least starting to get better about it, but by the same token it makes it easier for really unpleasant people with really reactionary ideas about gender and race to masquerade as liberals.
i'm not sure i see where they are supposed to get you
i mean they're not the absolute worst it's possible to be, but they're still worse than useless most of the time. A bigot is a bigot, regardless of other views held.
If they were willing to listen to arguments on the subject, that'd be different, but they turn hostile the moment you bring it up.
Not working with people who share some but not all of your views is a great way to lose ground and accomplish nothing. Sure, cooperating with complete assholes is rarely worth it, but sometimes the people who can really help you are just not perfect, and you need to accept that and move forward as a team on what you specifically want to do. You don't have to always be with them, just work with them where you both have a stake.
Really ignorant people with deeply skewed and intractable worldviews are arguably more dangerous than people who just outright want to hurt other people because they are less obvious and way more common.
But yes, most people are just well-meaning but wrong about stuff, I think. It's potentially a solvable problem.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
Can we talk about this "let's dox people based on random accusations that they said something racist" thing so many Tumblr folk are on lately?
Like, is there something about righteous anger that makes the "maybe I shouldn't take statements by people I don't know at face value" part of your brain fail?
I have seen much less doxxing than posts saying that doxxing is the rongz.
Which it is, but every large website eventually decides that it's a great idea, which leads to the staff of said site shutting down accounts, which leads to outcry.
People are just gonna have to learn to coordinate dox attacks via pastebin, like the good ol' days.
Like, is there something about righteous anger that makes the "maybe I shouldn't take statements by people I don't know at face value" part of your brain fail?
the answer to this question is "yes" by the way
people are always at their stupidest when they're angry
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
I have seen much less doxxing than posts saying that doxxing is the rongz.
Same here, but from what I can tell this is because I follow relatively sensible people. The doxxing blogs are out there, but they're getting cut down by Tumblr staff.
Which, according to some, means Tumblr staff literally supports the KKK. Like, that's a thing I actually saw people say.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
Ok, I'm feeling what Anonus usually feels now, I think.
Two of the biggest pharmaceutical spam companies in the world destroyed each other because the founders were former business partners in black market credit card registries and hated each other's guts so they doxxed each other and got themselves sent to jail for fraud. It's extraordinary.
I have seen much less doxxing than posts saying that doxxing is the rongz.
Same here, but from what I can tell this is because I follow relatively sensible people. The doxxing blogs are out there, but they're getting cut down by Tumblr staff.
Which, according to some, means Tumblr staff literally supports the KKK. Like, that's a thing I actually saw people say.
There were a few posts that crossed my dash that had this Illuminati-like chain of thought connecting the facts that Walmart gave $10k to Darren Wilson, Marissa Meyer is on Walmart's board of directors, and tumblr is removing KKK doxx posts. And of course, the first one is totally false, but nevermind that.
The best part is the conclusion one of these posts came to was that all this meant that you should use Adblock Plus while on tumblr. Which is great--like, given that tumblr is literally owned by the KKK or whatever the hell, don't stop using it, just sort of be passive aggressive about it.
Admittedly, it is kind of a nice change of pace to see ridiculous conspiracy theories targeting private corporations instead of the government.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
Sorry if I seem kinda pissy but it's just irritating to me when I wanna complain about people saying stupid things and the response is just "people say stupid things, get over it" -_-
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
perhaps i misunderstood then
one might even say i was blinded by my own anger, in a display of irony
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a brutalist architecture blog i follow just reblogged a picture of a 60s concrete football stadium from the blog of, of all people, mid to late 00s journeyman striker rohan ricketts (?!)
Does this align with anyone else's experiences? i feel like i see these a lot online: usually young, usually atheist or religious moderate, pro-socialized healthcare and anti-tuition fees but also anti-trade union, pro-gay marriage but entirely dismissive of concepts such as white privilege, rape culture and the sex-gender distinction.
You know? The kinds of people who get very much upset if accused of sexism and racism, but who seem to think these ended in 1920 and 1965 respectively, and that the religious right have a monopoly on present day bigotry.
Are these people as commonplace as i think or is this confirmation bias speaking?
i have definitely seen women express similar views, but for the most part, yes. Actually, yes, good point.
the vast majority of democrats
i asked because it runs counter to my intuitions, somehow.
they aren't all bad people mind, just naive and coddled
some of them wise up, others don't, and some just fuckin 'splode when you point out the truth to them
(*shrug*)
better to have them mostly on my side i guess
i mean they're not the absolute worst it's possible to be, but they're still worse than useless most of the time. A bigot is a bigot, regardless of other views held.
If they were willing to listen to arguments on the subject, that'd be different, but they turn hostile the moment you bring it up.
the devil you know, the devil you don't yadda yadda
it's a continuum
which makes sense
But yes, most people are just well-meaning but wrong about stuff, I think. It's potentially a solvable problem.
Oh, so you mean MRA types and the like? Or just typical snotty pseudo-liberals?
Or, there are differences, but like you said, naney, it's a continuum.
Plus they overlap, plus people who can be well-meaning on some issues can turn hateful at the drop of a hat.
And i find this culture of doxxing kind of creepy.
people are always at their stupidest when they're angry
Which, according to some, means Tumblr staff literally supports the KKK. Like, that's a thing I actually saw people say.
^ You are.