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  • kill living beings
    It's just, you can't learn everything about anywhere, they probably pick things that are somewhat relevant to you. I can't imagine you learning about the Whiskey Rebellion, or the Zanj Rebellion, or the Greek Civil War in any depth, or the Albigensian Crusade, or like a million other random things, is all
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    No, ok

    Obviously you can't learn everything.

    WWII is something that tends to be covered in a fair amount of depth, though.
  • I know a fair amount of stuff for a history major I guess
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    But the Boer War was really important to world history, at least in terms of Europe and Africa. You don't even need to get too far into it to get to the important parts: The origin of concentration camps, the British killing lots of people, the Boers being astoundingly racist...
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Like, I learned about the USA funding a horrible repressive dictatorship in Cuba up until the Revolution in school.

    This would blow twitter Marxist's minds.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Also, the first concentration camps were built and manned by Canadians.

    Weird.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Odradek said:

    Like, I learned about the USA funding a horrible repressive dictatorship in Cuba up until the Revolution in school.


    This would blow twitter Marxist's minds.
    Yeah, it's saying something that even at his worst Castro was way less of a dick than those guys.
  • edited 2014-06-26 21:06:36

    Odradek said:

    Like, I learned about the USA funding a horrible repressive dictatorship in Cuba up until the Revolution in school.


    This would blow twitter Marxist's minds.
    protip if you are wondering about the history of any south/central american country you can safely assume that we sponsored a brutal dictatorship in that country at some point.
  • Things I learned about in my history classes (all of them)

    Chapter 1: Colonial America

    Chapter 2: American Revolution

    Chapter 3: More American Revolution

    Chapter 4: Further American Revolution

    Chapter 5: The Entire Time Period Between The American Revolution and The Civil War

    Chapter 6: The Civil War

    Chapter 7: More Civil War

    Chapter 8: Reconstruction and Then World War I

    Chapter 9: World War II

    Chapter 10: World War II Again

    Chapter 11: Still More World War II

    Chapter 12: You Wanted To Learn About Something Other Than World War II? Fuck You, You're Going To Learn Even More About World War II

    Chapter 13: The Korean War and The Vietnam War

    Chapter 14: "The Modern Era"

    Chapter 15: Why Terrorism Is Bad

    I only had a single international history class middle school, and another one in high school. Both were very general and covered thousands of years of history per chapter until like 1800, where we spent most of the rest of the class on The French Revolution.

    Most people I've spoken to in the US had similar experiences.
  • My dreams exceed my real life

    Odradek said:

    Like, I learned about the USA funding a horrible repressive dictatorship in Cuba up until the Revolution in school.


    This would blow twitter Marxist's minds.
    protip if you are wondering about the history of any south/central american country you can safely assume that we sponsored a brutal dictatorship in that country at some point.
    I know that now.
  • sometimes you even get "the CIA literally directly murdered the democratically elected president before installing the dictator"
  • like, no proxy, no front, no nothing, CIA operative pulling the trigger.
  • I don't know what schools you guys went to, but my history textbooks were uniformly incredibly....let's say patriotic.
  • Except the one I had in 7th grade which was actually pretty good, but it was replaced by a different one the next year (even though 7th and 8th grade History were supposed to use two halves of the same textbook).
  • basically everyone was batshit crazy during the Cold War
  • My dreams exceed my real life

    I don't know what schools you guys went to, but my history textbooks were uniformly incredibly....let's say patriotic.

    Well textbooks are the same, but teachers vary.
  • kill living beings
    Tachyon said:

    No, ok

    Obviously you can't learn everything.

    WWII is something that tends to be covered in a fair amount of depth, though.

    well i mean what i'm thinking is that the impact of internment was mostly internal. I mean here in Murka we didn't really learn about the Home Guard or something.

    plus in american education at least as i experienced it, the internment camps were actually brought up in the uh, social history classes, and in the context of American racial history rather than WWII. which certainly makes sense to me, since as far as I know the internment camps didn't really have any impact on the prosecution of the war. (usually the 442nd is mentioned though)
  • Things I learned about in my history classes (all of them)

    Chapter 1: Colonial America

    Chapter 2: American Revolution

    Chapter 3: More American Revolution

    Chapter 4: Further American Revolution

    Chapter 5: The Entire Time Period Between The American Revolution and The Civil War

    Chapter 6: The Civil War

    Chapter 7: More Civil War

    Chapter 8: Reconstruction and Then World War I

    Chapter 9: World War II

    Chapter 10: World War II Again

    Chapter 11: Still More World War II

    Chapter 12: You Wanted To Learn About Something Other Than World War II? Fuck You, You're Going To Learn Even More About World War II

    Chapter 13: The Korean War and The Vietnam War

    Chapter 14: "The Modern Era"

    Chapter 15: Why Terrorism Is Bad

    I only had a single international history class middle school, and another one in high school. Both were very general and covered thousands of years of history per chapter until like 1800, where we spent most of the rest of the class on The French Revolution.

    Most people I've spoken to in the US had similar experiences.

    the american public education system is appalling and the history classes are the bottom of the barrel that exists in the bottom of the other barrel.

    I am forever grateful for the amazing history teachers I had in my time and my vast thirst for knowledge leading me to the good stuff independently and also for living in one of the best school districts in the country.
  • Odradek said:

    I don't know what schools you guys went to, but my history textbooks were uniformly incredibly....let's say patriotic.

    Well textbooks are the same, but teachers vary.
    I never had many teachers who deviated much from the textbooks.

    Except, again, in 7th grade.
  • kill living beings

    I don't know what schools you guys went to, but my history textbooks were uniformly incredibly....let's say patriotic.

    it does vary. my US History teacher was a big fan of Lies. Other teachers, probably even in the same school, were not.
  • kill living beings
    also in that class i did my final report on CIA human rights violations. fun stuff imo.
  • I don't know what schools you guys went to, but my history textbooks were uniformly incredibly....let's say patriotic.

    that reminds me, for some reason our Latin textbook had these weird asides that compared the united states to the roman empire in positive terms

    it was the weirdest fucking thing and we never talked about them in class
  • Smee, Maiman, Doktar, Pavelier, Button-Lee, Juan Ovyu

    like, no proxy, no front, no nothing, CIA operative pulling the trigger.

    OR PERHAPS HE'S WONDERING WHY SOMEBODY WOULD SHOOT A MAN, BEFORE THROWING HIM OUT OF THE GOVERNMENT
  • the american public education system is appalling and the history
    classes are the bottom of the barrel that exists in the bottom of the
    other barrel.

    I am forever grateful for the amazing
    history teachers I had in my time and my vast thirst for knowledge
    leading me to the good stuff independently and also for living in one of
    the best school districts in the country.
    It's legitimately sad that I know most of what I know about history from a couple of used library books and Wikipedia.

  • also in that class i did my final report on CIA human rights violations. fun stuff imo.

    you mean human privileges
  • I don't know what schools you guys went to, but my history textbooks were uniformly incredibly....let's say patriotic.

    it does vary. my US History teacher was a big fan of Lies. Other teachers, probably even in the same school, were not.
    Sounds like a great book.

    I think the series we used for most of middle school was actually called Liberty if I remember right, so, you know.
  • kill living beings

    that reminds me, for some reason our Latin textbook had these weird asides that compared the united states to the roman empire in positive terms


    it was the weirdest fucking thing and we never talked about them in class
    lmao i want to see this

    my school didn't have latin but this one guy in band had learned it elsewhere and he was an amazing prick
  • Like I know that Columbus was essentially Hitler With Some Boats, and was in fact criticized even in his day for his excessive cruelty toward native americans, but you know where I learned that?

    Fucking Cracked.

    That is depressing.
  • kill living beings

    I don't know what schools you guys went to, but my history textbooks were uniformly incredibly....let's say patriotic.

    it does vary. my US History teacher was a big fan of Lies. Other teachers, probably even in the same school, were not.
    Sounds like a great book.

    I think the series we used for most of middle school was actually called Liberty if I remember right, so, you know.
    the actual textbook we used in class was The American Paegant, which is like, on the list there. I don't honestly remember how propagandic it was; I'm pretty sure it covered some unsavory things like the billion invasions of Haiti and the Filipino-American War. but it was definitely augmented by the teacher. i remember he showed a clip of a Marine relative of his being interviewed by CNN about Operation Uphold Democracy (i love how fucking stupid these names are)
  • kill living beings

    also in that class i did my final report on CIA human rights violations. fun stuff imo.

    you mean human privileges
    enemy combatant privilege violations

    Like I know that Columbus was essentially Hitler With Some Boats, and was in fact criticized even in his day for his excessive cruelty toward native americans, but you know where I learned that?

    Fucking Cracked.

    That is depressing.

    oh we definitely went over that, thank gods. there was something about thimbles of gold
  • that reminds me, for some reason our Latin textbook had these weird asides that compared the united states to the roman empire in positive terms


    it was the weirdest fucking thing and we never talked about them in class
    lmao i want to see this
    books looked like this:

    image

    can't find any excerpts, but imagine something straight out of the promotional material of a far right-wing think tank, like something Mussolini would write if he were from Texas.
  • edited 2014-06-26 21:19:21
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    I just realized that my experiences with education are unique outliers and should not be counted because I self-taught history (among other things) for like ten years.
  • I just realized that my experiences with education are unique outliers and should not be counted because I self-taught history (among other things) for like ten years.

    That might legitimately be the best way to do it.

    My younger brothers go to an online school with a heavy homeschooling element (the place is called Commonwealth Connections Academy) and have already covered a wider breadth of history topics in their classes than I ever did, and the older two are only going to 5th grade this year.

    It helps that there's a local history class too, to provide some more immediate context.
  • edited 2014-06-26 21:22:43

    the actual Latin bits were totally ok mind.

    I had quite a few history teachers who were big on Lies as well.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    Like I know that Columbus was essentially Hitler With Some Boats, and was in fact criticized even in his day for his excessive cruelty toward native americans, but you know where I learned that?

    Fucking Cracked.

    That is depressing.

    oh we definitely went over that, thank gods. there was something about thimbles of gold
    Yup, we did too.

    Of course, I used to live in one of the most progressive, academically swanky public school districts in the country, so I probably do not count.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    the Eurocentrism of American history education kind of bugs me
  • Earliest history teacher was a middle-aged Hispanic woman who was fascinated with Indian history. We got to cover the Ramayana in class.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Also, my Euro teacher was from Devon and made us all read E.H. Carr's What Is History? over the summer.
  • edited 2014-06-26 21:28:25
    kill living beings

    Of course, I used to live in one of the most progressive, academically swanky public school districts in the country, so I probably do not count.

    i live(d) in a pretty conservative and poor (district nearly got shut down for lack of tax once, that was fun) area, e.g. got abstinence-only sex ed. i think this teacher mostly got away w/things because it was an AP class, and the kind of parent who'd complain isn't gonna have a kid there
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    Earliest history teacher was a middle-aged Hispanic woman who was fascinated with Indian history. We got to cover the Ramayana in class.

    We watched the miniseries version of the Mahabharata in English during sophomore year.

    LOOK AT MY THIGH.
  • edited 2014-06-26 21:29:57
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    Of course, I used to live in one of the most progressive, academically swanky public school districts in the country, so I probably do not count.

    i live(d) in a pretty conservative and poor (district nearly got shut down for lack of tax once, that was fun) area, e.g. got abstinence-only sex ed. i think this teacher mostly got away w/things because it was an AP class, and the kind of parent who'd complain isn't gonna have a kid there
    Ew.

    I am sorry.
  • sex ed was weird for me because we got

    YOU PUT THE PENIS INTO A VAGINA

    literally 5 times over the course of things, starting in late elementary school

    and everything else was very vague and non-informative

    granted they did at least teach us how to apply a condom the 5th time

    but it was very strange
  • kill living beings
    i got in an argument with a different teacher once because i thought "communist dictatorship" was an oversimplification as a form of government, and he said yes but if you wa nt to go into that kind of detail you should have taken the AP version
  • There are still huge gaps in my history knowledge.

    As a European I gravitate toward history about the areas my ancestors are from (mostly Central and Eastern Europe). It's not just that I don't know a lot about say, the Indian subcontinent, I don't know a lot about Spain.
  • edited 2014-06-26 21:33:32
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    ^^^ I was the only person to bring up anal in sex ed, which was mildly ironic given that at that point I still never really thought about sex outside the abstract. But I did know how it worked! Yay, reading!
  • I think the most notable thing that ever happened in a sex ed class I took was when someone stole the demonstration condoms they brought (and didn't ever use to demonstrate anything, incidentally).
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    i got in an argument with a different teacher once because i thought "communist dictatorship" was an oversimplification as a form of government, and he said yes but if you wa nt to go into that kind of detail you should have taken the AP version

    I got the opposite response, but again, barely-pretending-not-to-be-a-Marxist social studies teacher.
  • edited 2014-06-26 21:39:34
    kill living beings

    i got in an argument with a different teacher once because i thought "communist dictatorship" was an oversimplification as a form of government, and he said yes but if you wa nt to go into that kind of detail you should have taken the AP version

    I got the opposite response, but again, barely-pretending-not-to-be-a-Marxist social studies teacher.
    see, that's been my experience in college. (not that i've taken history outside of gen ed.) same area, too. funny how it works.

    There are still huge gaps in my history knowledge.

    As a European I gravitate toward history about the areas my ancestors are from (mostly Central and Eastern Europe). It's not just that I don't know a lot about say, the Indian subcontinent, I don't know a lot about Spain.

    there's a lot there

    i have a six hundred page book on an eight year period of labor history in a small part of one country

    :V
  • speaking of tumblr there was this really great post that wrote up european history in the style that american history textbooks mangle and condense native american history
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    I also taught myself sex ed.

    It involved a lot of encyclopedias.
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