people keep on talking about E3 on my dash shut the fuck up you fucking nerds
but Nintendo's releasing the same five games they release every couple of years! Get hype!
(the new Super Smash Brothers does look pretty good. Otherwise meh)
They released an entirely new IP and the rest were either pretty different aesthetically or gameplay-wise from what was released before. And as far as "releases the same five games they release every couple of years" goes, you could do much, much, much, much, much, much worse than Nintendo.
And pretty much the only Nintendo series that unarguably has a case of "same game every time" syndrome is Pokemon, but no one seems to have a problem with that.
...and really, as far as "same few games as always" goes I'll take a cycle consisting of an action adventure game, several flavors of platforming games, a puzzle game, and an RPG that regularly shake up, if nothing else, their aesthetic conventions over several shooters that carry more or less the same tired aesthetic as when Modern Warfare first rolled onto the scene and an open-world game if we're lucky.
well to be fair just because other companies roll out overly similar games as well doesn't invalidate that criticism
and before you say "but they're different" you might find them to be so but that's a perceptual thing, like with mo being unable to tell the difference between deathcore and grindcore
Honestly, it would have sufficed if you'd said, "At least the new gameplay is interesting on these," and, "You could do a lot worse," in some form and not sounded super reactive.
well to be fair just because other companies roll out overly similar games as well doesn't invalidate that criticism
and before you say "but they're different" you might find them to be so but that's a perceptual thing, like with mo being unable to tell the difference between deathcore and grindcore
I considered that but honestly I really can't see any way that the steady stream of 9/11 revenge fantasy FPSes and vaguely racist open world games could be considered equivalent to Nintendo's output. I mean, if nothing else, Nintendo's approach to their conventions is at least consistently functional.
Honestly, it would have sufficed if you'd said, "At least the new gameplay is interesting on these," and, "You could do a lot worse," in some form and not sounded super reactive.
Ech, fair enough. It's just... well, this is the kind of thing I hear year after year and it gets pretty tiring.
ok, but that still doesn't invalidate the criticism that nintendo's games are overly samey, it just means that others are even more samey
Well, that alone doesn't, but there is the fact that Nintendo's output really isn't samey. This year they announced nine titles. Of the nine, one was entirely new and a genre they aren't exactly veterans in, one isn't a new IP but was a completely different genre from the main series' gameplay, five of them were quite different mechanically/aesthetically from what came before, and the remaining two were the Hoenn remakes and SSB, but no one's complaining about those.
Not to mention it's not just a difference of magnitudes here; the style of Modern Warfare-esque shooters isn't exactly equivalent to Mario's style.
I really don't find "sameyness" to be a particularly valid complaint in the first place unless it's really, really egregious. Like, a mix of sameyness and oversaturation, and a general lack of functionality. Owing to the fact that Nintendo only has one series with a new entry every year and is on the whole is really good at what they do, the latter two items aren't really an issue and the first is pretty contentious.
I think this has a lot to do with why no one seems to take issue with SSB or Pokemon considering they are largely in the exact same place as they were when they were released.
(*performs a profane ritual to imbue self with spirit and powers of Roger Ebert, proceeds to definitively prove that video games are not art, laughs maniacally amidst the bodies of fallen nerds whilst drinking the blood of Reggie from a golden ruby-encrusted challice*)
I really don't find "sameyness" to be a particularly valid complaint in the first place
ok.
I'm trying to think of a way to respond to this. I want to take you through my thought process here.
I just typed out a wall of text. I understand that there are certain people who find those tiresome, and that's whatever. But you engaged. So I made my point in response. I was under the impression that your engagement was a sign that you were willing to discuss, despite exasperation. When you give a two letter reply to a longish post like the one I just made despite seemingly being up for a discussion, it comes off as condescending and honestly a bit hurtful, because you have decided that what I have said wasn't worth any more than two letters in response.
I considered that but honestly I really can't see any way that the steady stream of 9/11 revenge fantasy FPSes and vaguely racist open world games could be considered equivalent to Nintendo's output. I mean, if nothing else, Nintendo's approach to their conventions is at least consistently functional.
- is actually a gem of invective, but I'm still not fond of how you broached the issue.
^^Your history with this kind of thing, though, indicated to me that you were far more interested in getting me to shut up than with trying to state your actual response to what I said.
Also, the the fact that you quoted only the first half of the sentence even though the latter half was more important to what I was convey; maybe I didn't word the sentence properly. Sorry. But it still made it seem to me that you were looking for an excuse to shut me down.
I considered that but honestly I really can't see any way that the steady stream of 9/11 revenge fantasy FPSes and vaguely racist open world games could be considered equivalent to Nintendo's output. I mean, if nothing else, Nintendo's approach to their conventions is at least consistently functional.
- is actually a gem of invective, but I'm still not fond of how you broached the issue.
^^Your history with this kind of thing, though, indicated to me that you were far more interested in getting me to shut up than with trying to state your actual response to what I said.
Also, the the fact that you quoted only the first half of the sentence even though the latter half was more important to what I was convey; maybe I didn't word the sentence properly. Sorry. But it still made it seem to me that you were looking for an excuse to shut me down.
well
1. as i said, i don't really have any response to what you just said, so i can't very well write one.
2. i have no strong opinions on this issue, and if you will recall this whole conversation started with me saying that i was really tired of hearing about people talking about E3
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
Hearing about E3 is a bit like hearing about other countries' elections
I understand why people care, but I don't know enough to form strong opinions one way or the other and even if I did I have no real investment in it
^^Your history with this kind of thing, though, indicated to me that you were far more interested in getting me to shut up than with trying to state your actual response to what I said.
Also, the the fact that you quoted only the first half of the sentence even though the latter half was more important to what I was convey; maybe I didn't word the sentence properly. Sorry. But it still made it seem to me that you were looking for an excuse to shut me down.
well
1. as i said, i don't really have any response to what you just said, so i can't very well write one.
2. i have no strong opinions on this issue, and if you will recall this whole conversation started with me saying that i was really tired of hearing about people talking about E3
If you want to convey that you don't really have anything to add, just... say that, I guess. You often try to stop discussions that you find tiresome and I had little reason to suspect that wasn't what you were trying to do here.
me saying what I said also stemmed from being really sick of seeing people getting caught up in the annual E3 hype cycle.
I don't actually have any amount vitriol for Nintendo in particular here (I dislike the company, but for other reasons), it was just what was on my twitter feed at the time.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
I never really got Supernatural. It's about two hot guys who may or may not be demons, or something? And there seemed to be a lot of people on TVT (especially back in 2008 and 2009) who loved it.
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also re bullwinkle i feel like complaining that a webcomic i like got beat out in the tags by some vocaloidy thing
I understand why people care, but I don't know enough to form strong opinions one way or the other and even if I did I have no real investment in it
I don't actually have any amount vitriol for Nintendo in particular here (I dislike the company, but for other reasons), it was just what was on my twitter feed at the time.
So like, calm down eh?
I'm not good at paying attention.
You know what I hate? People randomly sending me money and toys. Please, never do that!