(obviously it's a broader spectrum than that, but just for the sake of simplicity let's say those are the two choices)
Perhaps it is because some authors don't expand upon their characters, rather they go for the simplistic route, that you get stereotypical characters that end up rather offensive to certain groups.
i think that if one looks hard enough one can find problems in many things, some nonexistent, others real
but one cannot address them all, fixing them will bring minimal results, and attempting to do so will only further your frustration, and for you the world will become a very lonely, scary place
so i choose to ignore the small things, the subliminal things, the unintentional and thoughtless little slights.
because if i turn my mind to them they will become a deluge and i am already waist deep
all i said was that isn't an excuse for not trying
i'm sensing you feel got at here?
frankly so do i
Look, I'm sorry for being pissy.
And I'm not saying you shouldn't try to make something that is good from a SJ standpoint; I'm just saying that attempting to make something no one will take offense to is a futile pursuit because there will always be something to take offense to.
This reminds me so much of an argument on another forum wherein one side expects a quality service and the other side is labeling them as "unpleaseable".
I've found that the best way to ease complaints is to have multiple characters fitting that trait.
Say you have one black character. Depending on how you portray her, you may be drawing connection to a number of stereotypes.
So you add two more black characters, who are all different. Diversity within diversity. So black people will have different characters to root for, and something involving one character doesn't reflect poorly on the whole race
I've found that the best way to ease complaints is to have multiple characters fitting that trait.
Say you have one black character. Depending on how you portray her, you may be drawing connection to a number of stereotypes.
So you add two more black characters, who are all different. Diversity within diversity. So black people will have different characters to root for, and something involving one character doesn't reflect poorly on the whole race
that would be the best
provided that your story can fit enough characters to properly represent enough groups, which lots of stories can't
everyone should be able to find media that one is comfortable with/can identify with, expecting every piece of media to provide ample representation to everyone is a bit too much. like, i don't mind if every character in a movie is heterosexual, or that there might only be one gay dude in a movie or something, because if i want to see gay dudes in movies about gay dudes written by gay dudes for gay dudes i can totally go watch those instead.
so i guess i'm advocating a sort of diversity through numeracy?
I've found that the best way to ease complaints is to have multiple characters fitting that trait.
Say you have one black character. Depending on how you portray her, you may be drawing connection to a number of stereotypes.
So you add two more black characters, who are all different. Diversity within diversity. So black people will have different characters to root for, and something involving one character doesn't reflect poorly on the whole race
that would be the best
provided that your story can fit enough characters to properly represent enough groups, which lots of stories can't
everyone should be able to find media that one is comfortable with/can identify with, expecting every piece of media to provide ample representation to everyone is a bit too much. like, i don't mind if every character in a movie is heterosexual, or that there might only be one gay dude in a movie or something, because if i want to see gay dudes in movies about gay dudes written by gay dudes for gay dudes i can totally go watch those instead.
so i guess i'm advocating a sort of diversity through numeracy?
I'd personally wouldn't be satisfied with, say, less than three important black characters for every ten mainstream movies, but I get what you're saying.
a quick caveat: the more expansive a narrative is the more one should expect representation in it
like, Star Trek has been around since 1966 and there has not been a single queer character yet, that is a problem.
but if it just so happens that there are no gay people involved in a 1 1/2 hour feature film with like 5 people in it that's totally understandable.
To be entirely fair though, the original series was, like you said, made in 1966 and in addition to that broke some pretty major ground with racial representation.
Not disagreeing with you there, but mainly because one of Star Trek's central conceits is that the future is more accepting of human differences. Lack of representation doesn't really work as a criticism of an individual work, or even an individual franchise, for the most part, unless it has the pretense of diversity or something similar.
what im saying is that if im watching a TV show from 1966 im not going to be surprised or upset over a lack of queer representation because it was rather par for the course.
well yeah im not saying that not having gay characters in 1966 was unreasonable
I'm legitimately confused as to what you're trying to say here.
"having a gay character on a television show in 1966 would have been seen as unreasonable at the time, it is much less unreasonable today and it is in fact rather sad that there isn't one."
Not disagreeing with you there, but mainly because one of Star Trek's central conceits is that the future is more accepting of human differences. Lack of representation doesn't really work as a criticism of an individual work, or even an individual franchise, for the most part, unless it has the pretense of diversity or something similar.
Most series have a pretense to being "Historically accurate" or at least based on human history in some way, Is it really accurate that all the people in a given story in a piece of fiction trying to emulate human history(or make direct references to it) are gonna be cis and het?
I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
The thing is that Star Trek is not being spoken of as a TV series from 1966, but as an ongoing franchise. There was just a theatrical movie based on it last year...that was a sequel to another from a few years prior! And a new TV series is rumored to be in the works...
Like I said, though, representation is a problem of trends, not individual works or even franchises. Although it is somewhat problematic for a series as long running as Star Trek, especially considering its pretense of utopianism to not have LGBT representation, I feel like the bigger picture is much more important to examine.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
I don't think most people actually believed it per se, since even the most gullible Tumblrites understand that the laws of physics make such a thing impossible, but there were a surprising number of people who were stumped by the trick and had to have it explained through infographics and the like.
The one nice thing about that particular version of the trick is that you can actually do a version of it in real life--obviously you can't magically lengthen the chocolate like in the gif, but if you position the pieces just right, most people won't notice that the final rectangle you end up with is slightly smaller than the rectangle you started with.
I don't think most people actually believed it per se, since even the most gullible Tumblrites understand that the laws of physics make such a thing impossible, but there were a surprising number of people who were stumped by the trick and had to have it explained through infographics and the like.
Shit, if that makes people stupid I must be the dumbest person on earth. :U
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
I stared at it for a few minutes until I noticed the cheat
So, I made a comment that may have been a bit sassy on a conservative post, and the conservative blogger has posted a sassy comeback to my post
I'm honestly kind of surprised. I originally thought that the OP was a kid who just didn't know better, but this guy, he's put some thought into his stuff.
Two questions. One, do I attempt to out-sassy his sassy, despite the fact that his about page is a series of polar bear pictures and the top of his blog is devoted to essays that Fox News would find a bit excessive, or do I ignore this fellow and go about my life?
I just found the post you're talking about and, wow.
After seeing that, I feel bad for complaining about SJ stuff because the opposite is so much worse, both morally and intellectually. At the same time, I think SJ stuff deserves the scrutiny because it's essentially well-meaning even if it gets uncomfortably self-righteous, so that means something good can actually come of criticizing it.
But in a situation like this, though, is there anything to do but point and laugh?
i think it would be best not to respond, though if you want an answer to "why are only white people made to feel guilty about it?" is that we are currently in that bit of his map that says "white privilege" and that if he wanted to he could totally move to papua new guinea and never hear about white privilege again
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all i said was that isn't an excuse for not trying
i'm sensing you feel got at here?
frankly so do i
i know it's not my place to tell anyone a problem i've created for them is insignificant
that's up to them to decide
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Say you have one black character. Depending on how you portray her, you may be drawing connection to a number of stereotypes.
So you add two more black characters, who are all different. Diversity within diversity. So black people will have different characters to root for, and something involving one character doesn't reflect poorly on the whole race
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
the real question is, how come mirrors reflect things left to right but not up to down.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead