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Fucking liberals think voting will fix the world

OdradekOdradek
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They should instead do what I, and other practical communists are doing and wait patiently for Godot
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  • CrystalCrystal
    Munch munch, chomp chomp...
    You forgot constant demeaning and refusing to engage, my other favorite trick.
  • KlinotaxisKlinotaxis
    kill living beings
    i keep telling you i have a few hundred AKs in the plain of reeds but you never listen
  • OdradekOdradek
    edited 2016-07-20 03:41:07
    My dreams exceed my real life
    ESTRAGON
    Let's go
    VLADIMIR
    We can't
    ESTRAGON
    Why not?
    VLADIMIR
    Don't want anyone to quote "Love Me I'm a Liberal" at us
    ESTRAGON
    Oh
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    VLADIMIR
    I can't go on like this!
    ESTRAGON
    Like what?
    VLADIMIR
    Without a plan!
    ESTRAGON 
    We have a plan
    VLADIMIR 
    Then what is it, damn you?
    ESTRAGON
    Waiting for Godot
    VLADIMIR
    Of course...
  • Imipolex GImipolex G
    Touch the cow. Do it now.
    let's hang ourselves immediately
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    ESTRAGON
    Let's just go!
    VLADIMIR
    What would they think of us, if we just left?
    ESTRAGON
    Who would know?
    Enter POZZO
    POZZO
    Love me love me love me! I'M A LIBERAL
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    POZZO
    Think! Pig!
    LUCKY

    Put simply, to understand the totality of any thing we must first begin the process with the precondition of the real, but “chaotic” whole, then break this abstract whole into classes and their elements, their interconnections and their contradictions, “from the imagined concrete towards ever thinner abstractions until [we] arrive at the simplest determinations.(4)” – a process achieved on my part with regard to imperialism in Iraq while being wholly ignored on Kriss & Co’s.For example, the simplest economic category, say e.g. exchange value, presupposes population, moreover a population producing in specific relations; as well as a certain kind of family, or commune, or state, etc. It can never exist other than as an abstract, one-sided relation within an already given, concrete, living whole. As a category, And then through making analytical determinations via dialectic (the unity of opposites, determining the principal aspect in each contradiction), we will eventually arrive back at the thing — but never as the “Absolute” totality of the preconceived whole, but as a “rich totality of many determinations and relations” containing their own Absolute truths that contain further relative truths within them. In his Notes on Dialectics Lenin wrote: with Qatar – who are incidentally included in the Gulf Cooperation Council under the NATO/GCC axis – form “inconvenient facts” (static abstract “facts”, by any chance?) as they “bring too much reality into [my] symmetrical abstraction of a concrete analysis”. The Qatar fallacy is immediately removed by the fact it is a subordinate class actor in the totality of the international perspective under the GCC. Regardless of its own contradiction; these internal and external contradictions do not, by any means, negate the external, nor do they negate or supersede the principal aspect within the Iraq contradiction Kriss has arbitrarily applied them to. White liberals today have lurched very far to the right. That historically the liberal, affluent and educated, have always collaborated with the ruling class is fact. But it is today tinged with a deep neurosis and self hatred, and with panic and mania. Looking backward, there is an interesting aspect to the ways in which the family as an idea has deteriorated over the last seventy of eighty years. Of course even further back the shift took place during feudalism transforming under capital. The Father was, as Hill and Juliet Mitchell and Eve Sedgewick and others have written, became an avatar for property in a sense. Or perhaps not property so much as the symbol of dynamic Capitalism. But today, the father is beset by divorce, and lack of purposeful work, and the proletarianization of women as workers in a failing economy. The masculine white ideal is linked indissolubly with family and by extension responsibility. The White male that was the ruler of colonial projects and rejected blackness. That white man is now both economically weakened, and more importantly perhaps, is adrift in a societal landscape that doesn’t need him. Adorno noted that in his phrase *the guilt of life* a kind of fulcrum on which teetered a fragile bourgeois identity and the compensatory virile exaggeration that comes as a response to that fragility. The masculine crisis, in an Oedipal explanation, is that the absent father is both loved and hated. Submission and aggression (Pasolini being the perfect artistic expression of this) are always present, next to one another, in the fascist character. One can only assume these two states have been given as refutation of imperialism due to geographical (or perhaps ethnographical?) determination alone. Dismissing the actual left as "fringe" and baptising the "centre" neoliberals "the Left" - the left denounced as without programme, but also as mirror image, enabler and indeed father of the far neofasho right - Zizek undertakes to defend fasho mobs in a wholly confused context of his concocted fantasy, fashioned of clichés and sensational stereotypes. Like Hedges - who in contrast seeks to explain real right wing populists in our real historical moment accurately depicted - Zizek says there are real grievances motivating them. But whereas Hedges recognises the scapegoats toward which the ruling class deftly and usually at least somewhat successfully directs white male anger (communists, foreigners, women, immigrants, black folks, Muslims, Jews, gays) are not the origins of the real grievances, Zizek insists they are, that these groups - humanity in general, with some small exceptions - are real threats to the privileged minority which presents itself as universal, causing everything from a "race to the bottom" in wages, through state crimes from Abu Ghraib to TARP, to the "failure" and "humiliation" in Iraq, against which the fasho mobs, representing a mythically monoethnic "white working class", justly arise to defend themselves. Zizek seems to a casual listener to echo, but really expropriates and transforms, Hedges' analysis, which he almost simultaneously also denounces as the dirty mendacious rhetoric of sinister liberals who want to disguise the real threats posed to the fasho mobs by those whom these mobs assault (as ZizneyCorp shows, purely in self-defence) - immigrants, ethnic minorities, homosexuals who are indispensible to authoritarian clique/tribe bonding. Thus while one might imagine Hedges or others sharing his analysis conjecturing that the anti-Roma pogroms multiplying in Europe reflect the fury of populations at the pain of the economic depression, Zizek declares the Strojan family, the victims of a pogrom, are the criminal menace itself against which liberals in their egoist ecstasies of hedonist permissiveness are insufficiently vigilant. The Strojan family, Zizek discovers, is the real source of the real grievances of the racist mob that terrorised them, but he cunningly positions the Strojans, and all Roma, also as the instruments of "the liberals in the big cities", that is, they are the violent, destructive forces unleashed by liberal decadence. (This is not a new script). (This is not a new script). (This is not a new script). (This is not a new script). (This is not a new script). (This is not a new script). (This is not a new script). (This is not a new script). (This is not a new script). (This is not a new script). (This is not a new script). 

    I'm finished!
  • Salix BabylonikaSalix Babylonika
    https://i.imgur.com/IoGc2jA.jpg
    I'm gonna start responding to these threads by claiming to be a staunch monarchist
  • Obā-sanObā-san

    cat fascism now
  • Salix BabylonikaSalix Babylonika
    https://i.imgur.com/IoGc2jA.jpg
    the only useful form of government is an enlightened despotism
  • Sredni VashtarSredni Vashtar
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    I'll be an egoist for good measure.
  • Obā-sanObā-san

    Jane said:

    the only useful form of government is an enlightened despotism

    yes but with cats
  • Salix BabylonikaSalix Babylonika
    https://i.imgur.com/IoGc2jA.jpg
    the despot can be a cat
  • Obā-sanObā-san

    huzzah!
  • Obā-sanObā-san
    edited 2016-08-18 19:12:36

    real talk the thing that confuses me about monarchism is like

    yes, one individual who always makes the best decisions will always make the best decisions

    the problem, a problem we have ample historical evidence confirming, is that one individual, no matter how rigorously tested and trained from birth, will not make the best decisions
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    Today is Tomorrow said:

    real talk the thing that confuses me about monarchism is like

    yes, one individual who always makes the best decisions will always make the best decisions

    the problem, a problem we have ample historical evidence confirming, is that one individual, no matter how rigorously tested from birth, will not make the best decisions

    Remember when the Rome's good run of five decent emperors ended with the son of the fifth emperor being a dude who cosplayed as Hercules and demanded people watch him stab ostriches to death in the arena
  • Obā-sanObā-san

    though, I would be curious to see how a government with an elected almost-absolute monarch would look?

    not that I personally would want to live under such a thing
  • Obā-sanObā-san
    edited 2016-08-18 19:14:48

    Odradek said:

    Today is Tomorrow said:

    real talk the thing that confuses me about monarchism is like

    yes, one individual who always makes the best decisions will always make the best decisions

    the problem, a problem we have ample historical evidence confirming, is that one individual, no matter how rigorously tested from birth, will not make the best decisions

    Remember when the Rome's good run of five decent emperors ended with the son of the fifth emperor being a dude who cosplayed as Hercules and demanded people watch him stab ostriches to death in the arena
    I don't actually remember this because as a child I hated the Roman empire with a firey passion and went out of my way to learn as little about it as possible
  • Salix BabylonikaSalix Babylonika
    https://i.imgur.com/IoGc2jA.jpg
    Today is Tomorrow said:

    though, I would be curious to see how a government with an elected almost-absolute monarch would look?

    not that I personally would want to live under such a thing

    Vatican City is that but also it's tiny af.

    this was also not quite how The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth worked but sorta close IIRC?
    Today is Tomorrow said:

    real talk the thing that confuses me about monarchism is like

    yes, one individual who always makes the best decisions will always make the best decisions

    the problem, a problem we have ample historical evidence confirming, is that one individual, no matter how rigorously tested and trained from birth, will not make the best decisions

    you see this is why there are not actually many monarchists anymore.

    Unless you extend monarchism to things like supporting Britain's Royal Family but that's not really the same since the Queen mostly just sits there and is ceremonial af.
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    Today is Tomorrow said:

    Odradek said:

    Today is Tomorrow said:

    real talk the thing that confuses me about monarchism is like

    yes, one individual who always makes the best decisions will always make the best decisions

    the problem, a problem we have ample historical evidence confirming, is that one individual, no matter how rigorously tested from birth, will not make the best decisions

    Remember when the Rome's good run of five decent emperors ended with the son of the fifth emperor being a dude who cosplayed as Hercules and demanded people watch him stab ostriches to death in the arena
    I don't actually remember this because as a child I hated the Roman empire with a firey passion and went out of my way to learn as little about it as possible
    That is somehow adorable
  • Obā-sanObā-san

    you see, the romans conquered egypt, and I was obsessed w/ ancient egypt, so they were my blood enemy
  • Salix BabylonikaSalix Babylonika
    https://i.imgur.com/IoGc2jA.jpg
    fucking Romans :falls off my elephant: long live Carthage
  • KlinotaxisKlinotaxis
    kill living beings
    i learned who the five good emperors were because of girl genius. i am... what i am
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    Commodus Musei Capitolini MC1120.jpg

    This is Emperor Commodus's statue, who the fuck gets themselves a statue like this
  • Salix BabylonikaSalix Babylonika
    https://i.imgur.com/IoGc2jA.jpg
    a cool dude with good priorities
  • KlinotaxisKlinotaxis
    kill living beings
    Today is Tomorrow said:

    though, I would be curious to see how a government with an elected almost-absolute monarch would look?

    brief
    Today is Tomorrow said:

    real talk the thing that confuses me about monarchism is like

    yes, one individual who always makes the best decisions will always make the best decisions

    the problem, a problem we have ample historical evidence confirming, is that one individual, no matter how rigorously tested and trained from birth, will not make the best decisions

    it's like you've never even read the leviathan
  • Obā-sanObā-san

    related to the romans: it baffles me, given how long money has been around, how long it took to invent economics
  • TatterhoodTatterhood
    Today is Tomorrow said:

    real talk the thing that confuses me about monarchism is like

    yes, one individual who always makes the best decisions will always make the best decisions

    the problem, a problem we have ample historical evidence confirming, is that one individual, no matter how rigorously tested and trained from birth, will not make the best decisions

    I'm pretty sure monarchist logic is basically

    the past is Good
    there were monarchs in the past
    therefore monarchy is Good
  • Salix BabylonikaSalix Babylonika
    https://i.imgur.com/IoGc2jA.jpg
    well, if i am not mistaken, one of the Chinese Empires (you must understand there were like 8 and none of them were really Chinese as we'd understand it since our conceptualization of Chinese culture is almost exclusively related to the Han who nevermind I am getting off-topic) invented it in like the year 200 I think but they were not European so we don't give them credit.
  • Obā-sanObā-san
    edited 2016-08-18 19:27:53

    history tip: it's almost always safe to assume that the chinese invented literally anything 1300 years before someone else who wasn't chinese did it, but then they just opted not to let anyone else know because isolationist neo-confuscianist ideology or w/e
  • KlinotaxisKlinotaxis
    kill living beings
    Today is Tomorrow said:

    related to the romans: it baffles me, given how long money has been around, how long it took to invent economics

    oh this is fascinating i was sort of talking about it with jane re video game

    there was money but "merchant" wasn't really an awesome thing to be unlike now when they run everything

    and the vast majority of humanity was serfs/slaves/whatever, and as far as i know, practically speaking day-to-day they wouldn't have any money proper, and instead they'd barter with food, livestock, stuff. as far as i've seen all the old taxes are in these terms, not coin. like, the heriot death tax was the serf's best clothing or animal.

    so having money doesn't actually particularly matter unless you're already in a well-off social position, in which case the market for anything is just a few rich dudes, some of which can decree your prices.

    so you kind of need at least wage labor for serious economics. maybe. i think.
  • KlinotaxisKlinotaxis
    kill living beings
    Jane said:

    well, if i am not mistaken, one of the Chinese Empires (you must understand there were like 8 and none of them were really Chinese as we'd understand it since our conceptualization of Chinese culture is almost exclusively related to the Han who nevermind I am getting off-topic) invented it in like the year 200 I think but they were not European so we don't give them credit.

    hmmmmm let's see

    this is not really economics

    this is, but the guy got imprisoned for moral corruption

    nice
  • Obā-sanObā-san

    that makes sense but still you think people (in Europe here I'm talking specifically) would have wanted to look into how to run your fiefdom and levy taxes appropriately or w/e
  • KlinotaxisKlinotaxis
    kill living beings
    tax your serfs as much as you can without causing revolts. adjust with conditions so that you don't kill everybody or cause revolts during a famine. have a granary.

    i mean there's more than that but i don't think any of it is terribly intellectually sophisticated.
  • Obā-sanObā-san

    fair point
  • KlinotaxisKlinotaxis
    edited 2016-08-18 19:55:00
    kill living beings
    i mean. there's a lot of writings like that, with advice for how high to tax people and stuff. but it's more like administration than economics, and it's even more heavily tied to politics than economics is. nobody's going to invent inflation based on that.

    that's probably why all the proto-economics, at least in europe, is the incredibly stupid "hoard as much gold as possible and never do anything with it". just... nobody was thinking about it.

    e: horde/hoard is not a mistake i expected to make in my lifetime
  • Salix BabylonikaSalix Babylonika
    https://i.imgur.com/IoGc2jA.jpg
    how much gold did the mongol hordes hoard
  • lee4hmzlee4hmz
    ⚠ THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    how much gold could a mongol hoard if a mongol could hoard gold
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    Klinotaxis said:

    i mean. there's a lot of writings like that, with advice for how high to tax people and stuff. but it's more like administration than economics, and it's even more heavily tied to politics than economics is. nobody's going to invent inflation based on that.

    that's probably why all the proto-economics, at least in europe, is the incredibly stupid "hoard as much gold as possible and never do anything with it". just... nobody was thinking about it.

    e: horde/hoard is not a mistake i expected to make in my lifetime

    This is why the middle ages were so good for dragons.

    They had to invent Cash4Gold just to make do in the modern era.
    Klinotaxis said:

    Today is Tomorrow said:

    there was money but "merchant" wasn't really an awesome thing to be unlike now when they run everything

    In a lot of civilizations that saw fit to divide people into different strata, merchants were viewed as the lowest, because they didn't make or create anything, they just moved it around. Including China
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    I remember somewhere in Plato, Socrates views being a merchant as a shitty job and says that in an ideal state, nobody would do it unless they were crippled and couldn't do any other job, because of how lame it is.
  • TatterhoodTatterhood
    edited 2016-08-18 20:07:22
    lee4hmz said:

    how much gold could a mongol hoard if a mongol could hoard gold

    you gotta go the full way

    how many hordes could the mongol horde hoard if the mongol horde could hoard hordes
  • lee4hmzlee4hmz
    ⚠ THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    XD
  • KlinotaxisKlinotaxis
    kill living beings
    Odradek said:

    I remember somewhere in Plato, Socrates views being a merchant as a shitty job and says that in an ideal state, nobody would do it unless they were crippled and couldn't do any other job, because of how lame it is.

    typical state socialist
  • Salix BabylonikaSalix Babylonika
    https://i.imgur.com/IoGc2jA.jpg
    Tatterhood said:

    lee4hmz said:

    how much gold could a mongol hoard if a mongol could hoard gold

    you gotta go the full way

    how many hordes could the mongol horde hoard if the mongol horde could hoard hordes
    the actual (traditional anyway) tonguetwister about mongols is:

    "how many boards would the mongol hordes hoard if the mongol hordes got bored of hoarding boards?"

    to which one responds:

    "the mongol hordes would hoard all the boards the mongol hordes could hoard if the mongol hordes got bored of hoarding boards"
  • TatterhoodTatterhood
    I did not know there was a traditional version of that for mongols
  • KlinotaxisKlinotaxis
    kill living beings
    it was invented by ogedei khan himself.
  • Salix BabylonikaSalix Babylonika
    https://i.imgur.com/IoGc2jA.jpg
    Traditional tongue-twisters go back about fifty years or so which is what I meant but yes very funny.

    I know more of them than I should. That one (or part of it anyway) was in a Calvin & Hobbes strip also.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    edited 2016-08-18 20:30:17
    how much mulch might mah mum mish-mash must mah mum mish-mash mah mulch
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    Today is Tomorrow said:

    you see, the romans conquered egypt, and I was obsessed w/ ancient egypt, so they were my blood enemy

    Wait

    This was because of cats, wasn't it
  • Salix BabylonikaSalix Babylonika
    https://i.imgur.com/IoGc2jA.jpg
    I also was pretty pissed about Rome conquering Egypt when I was little.

    Fucking ending the Pharoahs and shit
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