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Suchian Musings And Ramblings About General Designs Involving Notable Estuaries

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  • AlirozAliroz
    edited 2018-12-17 06:26:09
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Aliroz said:

    My math professor, earlier this semester, gave me back a homework with a note "I don't understand what you were trying to do here.  Please see me in my office hours, and re-do this assignment." and no grade.  He did on two different occasions (a different assignment each time).  It was terrifying!


    On the other hand, in his office hours he said that he wanted me to do well in the class, "and not any of the other ones, ha ha I'm kidding", and that the other assignments I'd turned in were, "some f---ing good s---".

    Aaaaaaaaaaanyways, I didn't manage to get them done by the time the last final was turned in, and he emailed me to say that I could turn them in "whenever youre ready, within reason.".

    And, so, I finally finished them and turned them in a couple minutes ago, and he responded about 30 seconds later with "Thnaks".



    I am recording these events for posterity because it's weird enough that future me will not believe they truly happened otherwise.
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Also, to set up a triplepost that is wrecked by the dreaded pejitoppa.
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Advice that I keep giving to myself which I would consider really stupid if anybody else gave it to anybody else.

    "Hope is a coin toss between vindication and disappointment.  It's better not to gamble."

    "When you read the Gallup Morality Poll statistics, always double the number of wrong/hedonistic/bigoted/otherwise-than-your-own responses, to account for the fact that people are self-conscious and often put the responses that they think are expected."

    "When bad and unfair things happen, cheer yourself up by remembering your own flaws, that way, you can feel like you deserve it (it hasn't ever worked before, but it will this time)."

    "You don't have time to go outside, do your homework, or read a book, but you totally have time to play Solitaire"

    "You can totally play Solitaire for only five minutes"

    "You'll remember it without writing it down"
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    Hey Aliroz I read the Book of the Dun Cow 
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    One day I realized I could play Solitaire by simply pressing H Enter H Enter H Enter H Enter H Enter H Enter H Enter H Enter H Enter as fast as I could.

    Didn't win every time, but hey.  When I did win, I got excellent scores.
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Odradek said:

    Hey Aliroz I read the Book of the Dun Cow 

    Fantastic!
  • AlirozAliroz
    edited 2019-01-01 07:26:10
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    I have forgiven 2018.  I was too harsh on it.    It wasn't as bad a year as it could have been, though it was a loss of many of my hopes, and a few of the most precious constants.

    I will, however, be grateful to 2018 for my new job (which I love), and the old joy of a centennial Armistice Day.
  • CrystalCrystal
    Munch munch, chomp chomp...
    Aliroz said:

    I think you guys  would enjoy this:


    Oh gosh. Oh my gosh. This is way belated but this is really legit, Aliroz.
  • CrystalCrystal
    Munch munch, chomp chomp...
    Aliroz said:

    I have forgiven 2018.  I was too harsh on it.    It wasn't as bad a year as it could have been, though it was a loss of many of my hopes, and a few of the most precious constants.


    I will, however, be grateful to 2018 for my new job (which I love), and the old joy of a centennial Armistice Day.
    You have my sincerest sympathies, empathizing, and celebrating for your new job. I hope this year is better for you.
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    -Launches self from a catapult into Odra's thread-
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    On the one hand, college is a blessing and a great opportunity to learn and to gain important skills that will help me make more money later in life, and I appreciate that.

    On the other hand, the university smells like coffee and I hate the garbage generation that I'm in.

    On the plus side, I get to check out books I would otherwise have no access to, which is a good motivator for doing homework.
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Well, I don't really hate the garbage generation.

    It's just that, I knew them when they were just kids, 'cause I was a kid then, and I can't take them seriously when I know they used to be kindergartners.

    I mean, come on, I was in middle school practically yesterday it seems, how the heck are people younger than me having children?
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Also, when things happen that disappoint or upset me, my instinct is to blame the youngest generation of adults.

    I mean, I'd give practically anything for things to be as good as they were in 2010-or-earlier, so logic dictates that the generation that came of age since then is the generation that made the world what it is now, because if any of the older generations were going to ruin everything they'd have done it already.

    And, also, if it's only my generation (and maybe the Baby Boomers before them, but to a lesser extent) that are terrible, then that means the rest of past humanity is still free to be ranked as good, which is, for me, an incredibly comforting and optimistic view of history and of humanity on average (I see things way too statistically). 
  • AlirozAliroz
    edited 2019-01-26 00:54:40
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Assuming that history is more than half over,

    given a certain level of virtue in humanity now,

    and given two models (A, in which virtue increases with time, and B, in which virtue decreases with time) which converge at the current virtue level,

    the cumulative virtue (up to the present) assumed in model B is greater than or equal to the cumulative virtue (up to the present) assumed in model A. (And, depending on the steepness of each model, it is likely that model B assumes a greater overall cumulative virtue).

    Therefore, the more optimistic historiography is an "regression/ancestor-worship" narrative rather than a "progression/descendant-worship" narrative. 

    Also, I need to stop trying to combine history, statistics, mathematics, and prediction, because Psychohistory only works in Foundation, and trying to do psychohistory in real life just makes you sound like Time Cube or some other crazy internet rant.
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    The generation before ours is Gen X
  • AlirozAliroz
    edited 2019-01-16 02:52:37
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    My grandfathers were both in WWII, so, by some measures (or, as Obi-Wan Kenobi would say, "a certain point of view"), that makes both of my parents Boomers (though among the youngest of that generation).  I mean, if you squint and don't think about it.

    Generation X would be my oldest cousins and youngest aunts, but it's easier to group it as a Greatest Generation-Boomers-Garbage Generation thing (in which Generation X does not does not exist/matter and Generation Z somehow matters even less and nonexists/unexists/potato/disexists even harder).

    It is weird to hear my mom tell me about how as a kid she was worried that the Boomers would get all the Social Security money and there'd be none left for her.

    Amnyways, it blows my mind to think of more than four generations alive at the same time, even though I know it doesn't work like that (as a kid I thought that there were just certain years in between generations when all the teenagers were just growing up, in which no kids were born).
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Or, to summarize my above post:  dangit I forgot Generation X.
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    I got to play the new Smash Brothers with my sisters and cousins!

    It was really fun, and Undying Light is a fantastic song with awesome lyrics.

    RESURGAM.
  • Princess AlicePrincess Alice
    You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    I'm glad you enjoyed it!
  • eriophora ziaeriophora zia
    I have cut a caper with the dancing mad god
    I like your professor. 
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Central Avenue said:

    I'm glad you enjoyed it!

    In about 20 years, I will buy a Nintendo twitch for a dollar, and will also buy the (currently-new) Smash Brothers and Skyrim.
    -legallydownloadedDaggerfallforfreeLiroz-
    eriophora zia said:

    I like your professor. 

    Yeah, he was one of the better ones I've had.
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    I really like the book , but I'm not sure if it's in the public domain yet.

    So, have an athbash-ciphered six pages.  Those of you familiar with Athbash should be able to see why the Euripides-Aristophanes dynamic is one of interest to me.     

    XSZKGVI  E

           VFIRKRWVH

    Yrltizksb rh mvevi zm vzhb gzhp---ovzhg lu zoo dsvm rgh 
    hfyqvxg rh z klvg. Drgs xziv dv nzb gizxp srn wldm,
    groo dv xzm zxlfmg uli zonlhg vevib nlmgs lu srh
    oruv --- drgs wzgv zmw kozxv vczxgob trevm --- zmw gsvm dsvm 
    dv szev ulfmw srn dsviv rnkivhhrlmh nfhg szev xlnv 
    nlhg ererwob, sv gvooh fh gszg zoo gsv grnv sv dzh gsrmprmt 
    lu hlnvgsrmt vohv--- sv szw
                Z Hgizmtvmvhh rm gsv nrmw,
       Z uvvormt gszg R dzh mlg uli gszg slfi
         Mli uli gszg kozxv.
    Zmw, dv wrhxlevi gszg znrw dszg dlfow nlhg szev rnkivhhvw
    fh, sv dzh
               Elbztrmt gsilfts hgizmtv hvzh lu gslftsg, zolmv.
    Yfg dsvm lfi hfyqvxg rh z klvg lu gsv zmxrvmg dliow, dv ziv ovhh
    orpvob gl nzpv z gifv yrltizksb.  Bvg gsv zmxrvmg klvg orevw z
    oruv---orevw rg znlmt nvm zg z xvigzrm grnv zmw rm z xvigzrm kozxv;
    zmw dszgvevi hgizmtv hvzh lu gslftsg sv elbztvw gsilfts,
    hlnvgrnvh dv pmld gsv klig uiln dsrxs sv hgzigvw zmw xzm
    tfvhh gsv szevm dsrxs sv girvw gl nzpv, zmw hlnvgrnvh, ru
    dv pmld xlmgvnklizib srhglib, dv xzm wrermv sld rg dzh gszg
    gsrh li gszg xznv gl yv nzipvw hl vnkszgrxzoob fklm srh xszig.
         Vfirkrwvh, nvm hzrw, dzh ylim lm gsv evib wzb lu gsv yzggov
    lu Hzoznrh, zmw lm gsv rhozmw lu Hzoznrh---lm gsv wzb dsrxs
    nziph gsv yvtrmmrmt lu z mvd viz uli zoo Tivvph, zmw sv lu zoo
    nvm nlhg wvurmrgvob yvolmth gl gsv mvd ztv.  Lm Hzoznrh sv
    orevw zh z nzm uli z tllw wvzo lu srh grnv, dv ziv glow; zmw
    kviszkh sv tivd fk gsviv.  Dszg rh rg gszg nzpvh z xsrowsllw?
    Dszg dzh rg gl tild fk lm z orggov vhgzgv gszg kviszkh ozb mvzi 
    gsv hxvmv lu gsv tivzg urtsg?  Dsvm sv ollpvw yzxp, wrw sv
    ivnvnyvi divxph lu Kslvmrxrzm Tzoovbh, wilkkrmt holdob gl 
    krvxvh fklm gsv yvzxs---Hgizmtv gilksrvh, xfkh lu Vzhgvim
    dlipnzmhsrk, hdliwh zmw zinlfi lu ml kzggvim Tivvph vevi
    hzd ztzrm, pvkg rm gsv slfhvh lu gsv Hzoznrmrzmh---vzxs drgs rgh
    hglib ?  Wl dv ivzorav sld lugvm nvnlib rh gsivv tvmvizgrlmh
    wvvk, zmw dszg gsrh nvzmh gl zm rnztrmzgrev xsrow ?  Dzh
    sv glow gzovh lu gsv tivzg dzi ?  Sv nfhg szev svziw gsvn---
    lu Nzizgslm zmw Srkkrzh, zmw Krhrhgizgfh.  Zmw gsviv dlfow
    yv hozevh rm gsv slfhvh ilfmw zylfg---dsl xznv lm gsv tivzg
    Zinzwz uiln gsv fgnlhg vmwh lu gsv vzigs, zmw dviv gzpvm yb 
    gsv erxglirlfh Tivvph zmw hlow ; zmw gsv ylb nzwv uirvmwh drgs
    gsvn, nvm zmw dlnvm, zmw gsvb glow srn dszg rg dzh gl yv
    hlow rm z hgizmtv ozmw---srgsvi li gsrgsvi, dsviv gsvb wrw
    mlg pmld---Hkzigz,  Hrxrob,  Zgsvmh---gsv tlwh lmob pmvd,
    zmw kviszkh gsvb wrw mlg xziv.
             Dsl zn R gszg R hrg
                Sviv zg z Tivvp prmt'h wlli,
              Bvz, rm gsv wfhg lu rg ?
                 Z hozev gszg nvm wirev yvuliv,
              Z dlnzm gszg szgs ml slnv,
                 Dvvkrmt zolmv uli svi wvzw ;
                 Z old zmw yifrhèw svzw,
             Zmw gsv tolib hgifxp gsvivuiln.
    Hfxs hglirvh,  zmw dlihv lmvh,  glow rm z ulivrtmvi'h szogrmt
    Tivvp gl z hvmhrgrev xsrow ulinvw gsv ivevihv lu gsv tolirlfh
    gzovh lu erxglib sv ovzimg uiln kzivmgh zmw prmhnvm, uiln gsv
    uivvnvm zmw gsv xlmjfvilih.  Tildm kvlkov pmld gszg
                       gsrmth orpv gsrh nfhg yv
              rm vevib uznlfh erxglib,
    yfg gsv xsrow zhph, Dsb ?  zmw dsvm sv rh glow gl yv hrovmg,
    sv zhph srnhvou gsv jfvhgrlm ; zmw ru mzgfiv szh kozmmvw z
    klvg rm srn, gsv fmzmhdvivw jfvhgrlm nzb mvevi xvzhv gl dlip.
    Hfxs gsrmth nfhg szev ozrm zg gsv wlli uli gsv lkvm vbvh lu gsv
    Tivvp xsrow, Vfirkrwvh, zmw gsvb szfmgvw srh oruv.
        Gsvm xznv ylbsllw zmw yllph, zmw gsv xslrxv lu z oruv.
    Ovtvmw hzbh sv drhsvw gl yv z kzrmgvi---z hgizmtv xslrxv.
    " Ml blfgs lu kzigh," hzbh Kofgzixs, " yvxzfhv sv hzd gsv
    Avfh lu Lobnkrz, dlfow drhs gsvivuliv gl yv z Ksvrwrzh."
    Vfirkrwvh xznv lu z tllw uznrob---zmw
    rm hkrgv lu srh oruvolmt rmgvivhg rm gsv zigh, sv mvevi yvxznv
    kzrmgvi li hxfokgli.  Sv  mvevi  gllp  gl  kfyorx  oruv, orpv
    Hlkslxovh ; sv mvevi dzh xzoovw gl xlnnzmw lm gsv wvxp lu z
    girivnv mli gl wizug z xlmhgrgfgrlm uli srh xlfmgib ; sv dzh
    mlg dzmgvw.  Dsvm sv hvievw zh z hlowrvi, uli sv kilyzyob szw
    gl hviev rm srh gfim, fmovhh ofxp hvmg srn gl Vtbkg li Xbkifh,
    Vtbkg yb zmb xszmxv, rg dzh zm zdufo ovhhlm sv ovzimg lu gsv
    nvzmrmt lu dzi.  Yfg gsrh rh zoo xlmqvxgfiv.  Gsviv dzh dzi
    vmlfts uli srn gl hvv, zmw kirhlmvih lu dzi lm hzov rm gsv hozev-
    nzipvg, dsviv sv xlfow hvv dszg szh zodzbh yvvm hvvm rm hozev-
    nzipvgh.  Sv hvvnh gl szev tlmv yzxp gl kirezgv oruv---gl srh
    yllph.  Zgsvmzvfh mznvh srn znlmt hlnv szou-wlavm nvm
    lu gsv wzbh yvuliv gsv Kvitznvmv prmth, dsl dviv uznlfh
    uli gsvri tivzg oryizirvh, zmw gdl lu gsvhv dviv gbizmgh rm
    gsvri grnv.   Z  Sfmwivw  bvzih  zugvi  srh  wvzgs  rg  dzh
    hzrw gszg srh uzelirgv hgfwb dzh z xzev lm gsv rhozmw lu
    Hzoznrh gszg uilmgvw gsv hvz ; " uiln dsrxs xzfhv zohl sv wizdh
    gsv tivzgvi kzig lu srh hrnrovh uiln gsv hvz."  Gszg rh mzgfizo
    vmlfts, zmw dszg z krxgfiv rg hfttvhgh lu gsv nzm, drgs gsv
    dlim uzxv gszg dv pmld zmw ivnvnyvi uiln gsv kligizrg yfhgh,
    ivzwrmt srh ksrolhlksvih rm gsv jfrvg kozxv, groo grivw zmw
     kvikovcvw sv ozbh wldm srh yllp zmw ollph zg gsv hvz zmw gsv
    yriwh.  Gslhv tornkhvh lu gsv hvz zmw lu gsv yriwh xlnv yzxp
    rm srh klvgib, groo lmv xzm zonlhg hnvoo gsv hvz zmw dzgxs gsv 
    yriwh.  Gl gsrh dv nfhg ivgfim.
          Z klvg rm gsv urugs xvmgfib, wvvkob ivzw rm gsv yllph lu
    gsv ksrolhlksvih, ufoo lu gsv hvmhv lu gsv yvzfgb zmw dlmwvi
    lu gsv dliow, hvz zmw ozmw, kvikovcvw gll yb sfnzm oruv---
    dsviv vohv xlfow sv urmw gszg lkvmrmt uli gsv vckivhhrlm lu
    srnhvou gszg Giztvwb tzev ?  Ml lgsvi nlwv lu klvgib luuvivw
    hfxs hxlkv uli gsv fggvizmxv lu gsv hgizmtv xlmuorxg gszg gsv
    hvmgrvmg hkrirg pmldh rm hfxs grnvh :
                Mld yvorvermt,
                  Mld wrhyvorvermt ; vmwovhhob kvikovcvw
                   Drgs rnkfohv, nlgrev, irtsg zmw dilmt, gsv tilfmw
                   Lu lyortzgrlm, dszg gsv ifov zmw dsvmxv
                   Gsv hzmxgrlm.
    Gsviv rh hl nfxs gszg hvvnh hlfmw zmw gifv, zmw rm hsvvi
    xlmgizhg zmw lkklhrgrlm hgzmwh zh nfxs.  Gsv hkrirg rh glim gsrh
    dzb zmw gszg rm gsv dzi lu tllw drgs tllw, zmw irtsg drgs irtsg.
    Zmw gsv uvvormt tildh zmw wvvkvmh gszg ru zoo gsrh xlfow yfg 
    urmw vckivhhrlm, nzggvih dlfow yv svokvw ulidziw---zh ru lmxv
    gsv kilyovn dviv uzriob hgzgvw,gsv hlofgrlm dlfow yv hlnvgsrmt
    mvzivi.  Rg dzh rm hlnv hfxs nllw, lmv dlfow hfkklhv, gszg
    Tlvgsv hzrw gszg nzm rh mlg ylim gl hloev gsv kilyovn lu gsv
    fmrevihv yfg gl urmw lfg dsvivrm rg xlmhrhgh.
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)

          Hl gl Giztvwb Vfirkrwvh gfimvw, zmw uiln 455, dsvm sv dzh
    hlnv gdvmgb-urev bvzih lu ztv groo srh wvzgs rm 406, sv hkvmg
    srh oruv rm dirgrmt kozbh uli gsv uvhgrezoh lu Zgsvmh.  Hlnvgrnvh,
    rg rh nliv gszm orpvob, srh kozbh dviv mlg kivhvmgvw.  Urev
    grnvh rm gsvhv bvzih sv dzh zdziwvw gsv kirav, dsrxs lugvm uvoo
    gl Hlkslxovh.    Lgsvi  zmw  ovhhvi  nvm  vxorkhvw  srn--- rm  415
    " Cvmlxovh, dslvevi sv nzb szev yvvm," zh zm zmxrvmg dirgvi
    kfgh rg, kilwfxvw z kozb gszg dlm gsv kirav ztzrmhg gsv Gilzwvh.
    Lgsvi gsrmth dv dilgv, sv ziv glow---zm lwv uli Zoxryrzwvh
    dsvm gsivv lu srh xszirlgh dviv " kozxvw " zg Lobnkrz rm 416---
    zm vkrgzks uli gsv Zgsvmrzmh dsl uvoo zg Hbizxfhv.  Yfg sv
    dzh mlg klkfozi rm gsv tvmvizo hvmhv--sv dzh zggzxpvw ufirlfhob
    yb Zirhglkszmvh, zmw sv uvog gsv roo droo lu srh uvoold xrgravmh,
    zmw zg ozhg ovug Zgsvmh, zh Zvhxsbofh wrw hrcgb bvzih yvuliv,
    mvevi gl ivgfim.  Sv dvmg gl gsv xlfig lu Prmt Zixsvozlh lu
    Nzxvwlm, zmw gsviv zg hvevmgb sv dilgv gsv Yzxxszv, gsv kozb
    lu zoo srh kozbh dsviv nvm urmw nlhg gsv mlgv lu uivvwln zmw
    vhxzkv---vhxzkv uiln gsv hvz zmw rgh hglinh, gsv szevm ivzxsvw
    zmw glroh vmwvw.    Hl  rmwvvw  rg  kilevw.  Gdl bvzih ozgvi sv
    wrvw zmw dzh yfirvw rm gsv hgizmtv ozmw lu ivuftv.
          Bvg  srh  oruv  szw  mlg  yvvm  lmv  drgslfg  uirvmwhsrk  zmw
    ivxltmrgrlm.  Gsv rmergzgrlm lu prmt Zixsvozlh dzh lmv killu
    lu gsrh.  Yfg lgsvi killu dzh uligsxlnrmt rm z hgizmtv jfzigvi,
    uli dsvm gsv Hbizxfhzm vckvwrgrlm xznv gl rgh sliiryov vmw
    zmw " lu gsv nzmb dsl dvmg uligs uvd ivgfimvw slnv," lu
    gsvhv hfierelih  " ml  hnzoo  mfnyvi,"  dv  ivzw,  " tivvgvw
    Vfirkrwvh drgs dzings, zmw glow, hlnv, sld, dsvm vmhozevw,
    gsvb szw yvvm hvg uivv uli gvzxsrmt zoo gsvb pmvd lu srh klvgib,
    zmw lgsvih sld, zh gsvb dzmwvivw zylfg zugvi gsv yzggov, gsvb
    dviv trevm ullw zmw dzgvi uli hrmtrmt srh hlmth."
                                             Nzmb hfxs, sv hzrw
                       Ivgfimrmt slnv gl Zgsvmh, hlftsg srn lfg,
                       Gsv low yziw rm gsv hlorgzib slfhv,
                        Zmw gszmpvw srn viv gsvb dvmg gl hzxirurxv.
    Rg rh z ivnzipzyov gvhgrnlmb gl gsv drwv zkkvzo lu Vfirkrwvh
    gl gsv Tivvp dliow zg ozitv, zmw rg nzb hviev gl vckozrm gsv
    vcgizliwrmzib ertlfi drgs dsrxs Zirhglkszmvh zhhzrovw srn.
    Uli rg hfttvhgh z uzriob xolhv zxjfzrmgzmxv  lu  gsv  Zgsvmrzm
    kvlkov rm tvmvizo drgs srh kozbh, vevm ru gsvb wrw mlg trev srn
    kiravh, zmw z tllw wvzo lu eviyzo nvnlib lu srh wiznzh.  Rg
    zohl vckozrmh sld Zirhglkszmvh xzm kzilwb srn hl nfxs zmw
    bvg slkv gl ivzxs srh zfwrvmxv drgs srh nrhjflgzgrlmh.
          Rm gsivv kozbh dsrxs hfierev Zirhglkszmvh szh rmgilwfxvw
    Vfirkrwvh zh z xszizxgvi zmw zodzbh rm gsv hznv hkrirg.  Gsilfts
    gsv dslov lu srh xirgrxrhn nzb yv uvog z szgivw gszg rh mlg ovhh
    ivzo uli yvrmt grmtvw yb uzhxrmzgrlm.  Uli Zirhglkszmvh dzh
    srnhvou zggzxpvw  lm gsv hgztv " uli nlxprmt Vfirkrwvh zmw
    gsvm  rnrgzgrmt  srn."  Rg  rh  mlg  zwnrizgrlm, yfg  sv  xzmmlg
    pvvk srh nrmw luu srn.  Hgzmwrmt drgs gsv nrwwov xozhh zmw
    uzinvi kzigb, z xlmhviezgrev rm tizrm zh yvxznv z blfmt
    tvmgovnzm  lu  kzigh,  sv  nrhgifhgvw  gsv  dslov  wvnlxizgrx
    nlevnvmg  lu  gsv  wzb --- gsv  wldmtizwv gvmwvmxrvh rm zig,
    ksrolhlksb,  klorgrxh, zmw ivortrlm ; zmw sv hzd xovziob vmlfts
    gszg gsv xzfhv dzh lmv zmw gsv hznv, gsv hkrirg lu xirgrxrhn.
    Gsv ovzwvih rm gsrh wrhifkgrlm lu hlxrvgb dviv lyerlfhob
    Vfirkrwvh zmw Hlxizgvh ; gsv Xovlmh zmw hzfhztv-hvoovih hgllw
    lm z oldvi kozmv.  Hl gl Vfirkrwvh zmw Hlxizgvh sv wvelgvw
    srnhvou.  Sv dzh hsivdw vmlfts gl hvv gszg gl nvvg gsvn lm
    gsvri ldm tilfmw dlfow yv gl xlmxvwv gsv dslov klhrgrlm.
    Xirgrxrhn, ru nvg yb zitfnvmg, dlfow szev hvxfivw rgh ldm
    vmwh.   Sv   dlfow   zggzxp  uiln  tilfmw  lu  srh ldm xsllhrmt
    zmw wirev gsvn luu  gsv  urvow.      Gsrh  rh  gsv  dvzpmvhh  lu  srh
    klovnrx,  gszg  sv  wlvh  mlg  zggvnkg,  zmw  wlvh mlg  rmgvmw,  gl
    zhhzro  srh vmvnb'h xvmgiv.   Vevib prmw lu uozmp nlevnvmg----
    drggb,  erxrlfh,  hsznvufo----sv  droo  gib ; zmw ru sv xzmmlg  ozfts
    gsvn lfg  lu z svzirmt  zmw kviszkh lfg  lu Zgsvmh, rg droo  yv z
    krgb.   Yfg  xlmgilevihb  rh  mvevi  hfxxvhhufo  rm  gsv  olmt  ifm,
    fmovhh gsv vmvnb'h xvmgiv rh yilpvm. Zirhglkszmvh hfxxvvwvw
    drgs  srh  xlmgvnklizirvh, drgs gslhv, zg ovzhg, dsl kivuviivw
    " gsv  fmvcznrmvw  oruv," drgs  gslhv  dsl  hgroo  kivuvi  rg ; yfg
    gsv ulidziw  nlevnvmg  lu gsv sfnzm nrmw rh  mlg gl yv svow
    fk yb yzmgvi, vevm ru rg rh yzmgvi lu tvmrfh.
          Zirhglkszmvh yvtzm drgs Vfirkrwvh' yllph zmw srh nlgsvi.
    Gsv Giztrx klvg tlg srh rwvzh lfg lu lgsvi nvm'h yllph---gl zm
    zfwrvmxv gszg ivzw orggov gsv xszitv lu " yllprhsmvhh " dlfow
    zkkvzo ; zmw srh nlgsvi hlow evtvgzyovh.  Dszg orvh yvsrmw
    gsrh xszitv dv wl mlg pmld, yfg gsv qlpv mvevi tivd hgzov,
    zmw rg ivxvrevh nzmb ulinh, hlnv lu gsvn drggb.  Gsrh hgbov
    lu zyfhv zmw gsv mfnyvi lu bvzih levi dsrxs rg dzh hkivzw
    hfttvhg gszg ru rm gsv Gsvhnlkslirzafhzv (lu 411 Y.X) Zirhgl-
    kszmvh szw ml erorurxzgrlm uli gsv druv lu Vfirkrwvh, vrgsvi gl
    jflgv li gl rmevmg, gsv nvzm gzovh lu z ozggvi wzb nzb yv
    wrhnrhhvw.
           Dsvm Zirhglkszmvh uzriob xlnvh gl Vfirkrwvh srnhvou,
    srh xirgrxrhn gfimh fklm srh zig zmw srh ksrolhlksb---kilkvi
    hfyqvxgh uli xirgrxrhn rm zmb xzhv.  Zh uli srh zig, Vfirkrwvh dzh
    hklrormt Giztvwb ; gsv ovtvmwh sv xslhv uli givzgnvmg dviv
    yvggvi ovug gl yv ulitlggvm, zmw srh nvgslwh lu givzgrmt gsvn
    dviv zvhgsvgrxzoob irwrxfolfh.  Svil zmw wvnrtlw xlnv fklm
    srh hgztv  rm  izth zmw gzggvih ; gsvb  gzop  lfg  lu  yllph, zylfg
    zmbgsrmt, dsvgsvi hfrgvw gl gsv giztrx hgztv li mlg---zmw gsvb
    gzop  zg  hfxs  ovmtgs,  gll,  rm  gsvri  olmt  wvyzgvh ; gsvb fhv
    ozmtfztv gszg rh nlwvim, hfygov, zmw giruormt, mlgsrmt orpv gsv
    wrxgrlm lu Zvhxsbofh---jfryyormt, szri-hkorggrmt qzitlmvih, lmv
    zmw zoo lu gsvn.  rh kozbh xzmmlg tl lu gsvnhvoevh ; gsvb
    mvvw z kiloltfv lu vckozmzgrlm, zodzbh xlmhgifxgvw lm gsv
    hznv sfnwifn ormvh, zmw yvtrmmrmt drgs gsv hznv gbkv lu
    hvmgvmxv.  Sv zodzbh zggzxph dlnvm---zh ru sv mvvwvw gl ;
    zh ru slmvhg dlnvm wrwm'g tl slnv zmw wirmp svnolxp uli
    evib hsznv zg srh kozbh.   Ozhgob, gsv nfhrx rh zoo nlwvim zmw
    fmwrtmrurvw.  Kviszkh gsv szkkrvhg hgilpv rm zoo gsrh rh gsv
    xslirx lwv rm gsv Uilth, dsviv " Zvhxsbofh " yfiovhjfvh gsv
    Mrtsg, wzip-tovznrmt, zmw gsv hlfo-ovhh hlfo lu z wvzw kszmgln,
    z gsrmt gl yv vckrzgvw, zmw gsvm gsv gviiryov wrhxlevib gszg gsv
    yriw rh tlmv, zmw Mbnks zmw hxfoovib-nzwv, zmw gsv Xivgzmh,
    Rwz'h xsrowivm zmw Wrxgbmmz, ziv zoo rmelpvw rm gsv kzhhrlmzgv
    ksizhv drgs wfkorxzgvw dliwh zmw giroovw hboozyovh gl urmw zmw
    yirmt yzxp gsv olhg yriw.
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)

           Lm zig, Vfirkrwvh dzh orzyov gl zggzxp, zh Zirhglkszmvh
    hzd, uli sv lxxfkrvw z szou-dzb klhrgrlm.  Gsv giztrx nlwv dzh
    low---gsv gbkv lu ovtvmw gl yv givzgvw dzh urcvw, gsv xslifh dzh
    zm vhgzyorhsvw mvxvhhrgb, zmw vzxs szw yvxlnv zm vnyziizhh-
    nvmg gl gsv klvg.  Sv mvvwvw nliv uivvwln zmw sv nrtsg mlg
    szev rg.  Gsv rwvzh zmw gsv lfgollp lm oruv dviv mvd, zmw mlg
    vzhb gl zwzkg gl gsv low uiznvdlip, yfg rg szw gl yv wlmv.  Gsv
    nfxs kzilwrvw kiloltfv dzh zm zggvnkg gl ivorvev gsrmth.
    Gsv xslifh dzh z gviiryov wruurxfogb---z wlavm li urugvvm kvihlmh
    zodzbh kivhvmg, gl levisvzi vevib hvxivg lm dsrxs gsv kolg
    gfimh, zmw mlg gl ivevzo gsvn.  Rg nfhg yv ldmvw gszg Vfir-
    krwvh, grvw gl gsrh mvxvhhrgb, gfimvw rg zugvi zoo gl tllw kfiklhv.
    Hfxs lwvh zh gslhv rm gsv Srkklobgfh (R. 731) zmw gsv Gilzwvh
    (R. 794) szev z dlmwviufo khbxsloltrxzo vuuvxg, kozxvw zh gsvb
    ziv, rm ezibrmt gsv vnlgrlmzo krgxs--zmw rm trermt gsv nrmw zmw
    svzig lu gsv ivzwvi zmw hkvxgzgli zg ovzhg z srmg lu dsviv gsv xofv
    rh gl yv ulfmw dsrxs hszoo ovzw gl kvzxv.
          Dsvm Zirhglkszmvh zggzxpvw Vfirkrwvh' ksrolhlksb, sv dzh
    zg lmxv lm hzuvi tilfmw zmw ovhh hvxfiv.  Rg dzh hzuvi yvxzfhv
    sv szw srh zfwrvmxv nliv hvxfivob drgs srn---gsvb fmwvihgllw
    zmw gsvb zkkilevw.  Yfg gsv xirgrxrhn rh vhhvmgrzoob vcgvimzo,
    zmw gsviv rg yivzph wldm.  Zirhglkszmvh xszitvh Vfirkrwvh
    drgs gvzxsrmt zgsvrhn, hlksrhgib, zmw rnnlizorgb.  Avfh rh
    wirevm lfg zmw Zvgsvi gzpvh srh kozxv.  Gsv kizbvi lu Vfirkrwvh
    rm gsv Uilth rh mlg gl gsv tlwh nvm pmld zmw ivxltmrav, orpv
    gsv slmlfizyov zmw wrtmrurvw zwwivhh dsrxs Zvhxsbofh nzpvh
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    And, yes, I am compulsive enough that I typed the non-Athbash version into Notepad and made sure that the line-breaks and indentations were the same as in the physical book.

    Also, yes, I am paranoid enough that I used the Athbash program I made in java a few semesters back so as to not leave evidence that I visit enciphering/deciphering sites.

    Additionally, yes, I am disappointed that there is no secret message going top-down explaining that T.R. Glover has hidden treasure for the first reader to find this message (if I'm ever an author, I'm going to hide easter eggs like that in my books).
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    Aliroz have you ever heard of the cryptic crosswords they have in Britain?
  • Princess AlicePrincess Alice
    You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Hey Aliroz...I don't know how extensively you played the new Smash Bros, but from what you played of it, which character did you enjoy the most?

    I love Princess Peach, naturally, but I'm best at playing Inkling.
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Lackadaisy update!
    Odradek said:

    Aliroz have you ever heard of the cryptic crosswords they have in Britain?

    Never heard of them.
    Central Avenue said:

    Hey Aliroz...I don't know how extensively you played the new Smash Bros, but from what you played of it, which character did you enjoy the most?


    I love Princess Peach, naturally, but I'm best at playing Inkling.
    I like Ike.
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptic_crossword#How_cryptic_clues_work An interesting thing
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    .. / .-. . .- .-.. .. --.. . -.. / -.-- . .- .-. ... / .- --. --- / - .... .- - / .. / .-- .- ... / -. . ...- . .-. / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / -... . / .---- ----- ----- / .--. . .-. -.-. . -. - / .... .- .--. .--. -.-- / . ...- . .-. / .- --. .- .. -. --..-- / - .... .- - / .. / .-- --- ..- .-.. -.. / -. . ...- . .-. / -.- -. --- .-- / - .... . / ... .. -- .--. .-.. . --..-- / .. -. -.. . ... -.-. .-. .. -... .- -... .-.. . --..-- / ..- -. -.. .. .-.. ..- - . -.. / .... .- .--. .--. .. -. . ... ... / - .... .- - / .. / .... .- -.. / -.- -. --- .-- -. / .- ... / .- / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. .-.-.- / -. --- .-- / .. / -.- -. --- .-- / - .... .- - / .. / .-- .. .-.. .-.. / -. . ...- . .-. / -... . / ----. ..... / .--. . .-. -.-. . -. - / .... .- .--. .--. -.-- .-.-.- / .. / .-- .. .-.. .-.. / .- .-.. .-- .- -.-- ... / -.-. .- .-. .-. -.-- / .- / ... .. --. -. .. ..-. .. -.-. .- -. - / .--. --- .-. - .. --- -. / --- ..-. / ... .- -.. -. . ... ... / .-- .. - .... / -- . .-.-.- / ----. ....- .-.-.- ----. --... / .--. . .-. -.-. . -. - / .. ... / ... - .. .-.. .-.. / .- -. / .- .-.-.- / ... - .. .-.. .-.. / .- / -.. .- .-. -. / --. --- --- -.. / --. .-. .- -.. . .-.-.- / - .... .- - .----. ... / -.-. .-.. --- ... . / . -. --- ..- --. .... / - --- / -... . .. -. --. / --. --- --- -.. / . -. --- ..- --. .... / - .... .- - / .. / -.-. .- -. / .- -.-. -.-. . .--. - / .. - / .-- .. - .... / --. .-. .- - .. - ..- -.. . --..-- / .- -. -.. / -. --- - / -.-. --- -. ... .. -.. . .-. / .. - / .- / ..-. .- .. .-.. ..- .-. . .-.-.- / .- -. -.. / .... . -.-. -.- --..-- / . ...- . -. / .. ..-. / .. - / .-- . -. - / - --- / ----- / .--. . .-. -.-. . -. - --..-- / - .... .- - .----. ... / ... - .. .-.. .-.. / .- / .--. . .-. -.-. . -. - .-.-.- / .. - / -.-. --- ..- .-.. -.. / ... - .. .-.. .-.. / -... . / .- / .-. --- ..- -. -.. .. -. --. / . .-. .-. --- .-. / ..-. .-. --- -- / ... --- -- . / .. -. -.-. .-. . -.. .. -... .-.. -.-- / ... -- .- .-.. .-.. / .--. --- .-. - .. --- -. / --- ..-. / .--- --- -.-- / .- -. -.. / .-. .. --. .... - -. . ... ... --..-- / .- -. -.. / ... --- / .-.. --- -. --. / .- ... / - .... . .-. . .----. ... / - .... . / .. -.. . .- / --- ..-. / .-. .. --. .... - --..-- / - .... . -. / . ...- . .-. -.-- - .... .. -. --. / -- ..- ... - / -. --- - / -... . / . -. - .. .-. . .-.. -.-- / .-- .-. --- -. --. .-.-.- / . ...- . -. / .. ..-. / --- -. . / .-. . .--- . -.-. - ... / .... --- .--. . --..-- / --- -. . / .- -.-. -.- -. --- .-- .-.. . -.. --. . ... / - .... .- - / .... --- .--. . / . -..- .. ... - ... .-.-.-
  • AlirozAliroz
    edited 2019-02-12 01:54:42
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    P1:  X is divisible by 3.

    P2:  X is divisible by 2.


    (P1)^(P2): X is divisible by 6.

    (P1)^(⌐P2): (X+3) is divisible by 6.

    (⌐P1)^(P2): 4(X^3) + (X^2) + (2x) + (2) is divisible by 6.

    (⌐P1)^(⌐P2): 4(X^3) + (X^2) + (2x) + (5) is divisible by 6.
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)

    (11^3) = 1210+121 = 1331 = 1000 + 300 + 30 + 1
    4(11^3) = 4000 + 1200 + 120 + 4 = 5200 + 124 = 5324
    (11^2) = 121
    2(11) = 22
    5 = 5
    5324 + 121 + 22 + 5 = 5324 + 121 + 27 = 5324 + 148 = 5322 + 150 = 5372 + 100 = 5472

    5 + 4 + 7 + 2 = (5  + 4) + (7 + 2) = (9 + 9) = (18)

    (1 + 8) = 9

    9 is divisible by three 

    5472 ends in 2 and is thus divisible by 2.

    5472 is divisible by 6.
  • AlirozAliroz
    edited 2019-02-12 02:07:14
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)


    500+25 + 10 + 2 = 537.
    537 is divisible by 3 but not by 6.

    343 is 7^3.

    4(7^3) + (7^2) + (2*7) + 2.
    1200 + 160 + 12 + 49 + 14 + 2= 1372 + 49 + 14 + 2 = 1372 + 49 + 16 = 1372 + 65 = 1377 + 60 = 1407 + 30 = 1437.

    1437 is divisible by 3 but not by 6.

    Therefore, 4(X^3) + (X^2) + (2X) + 5 will be divisible by 6 for X=5 and X=7.

    Thus, since it works for 5, 7, and 11, I can arrogantly assume it works for all numbers X such that X is not divisible by 2 and X is not divisible by 3.  This arrogance is called induction, but it is not induction.  True induction would require me to give a proof of why it should be so.  But ah'm feelin' lazy.
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)

    32 + 4 + 4 + 2 = 42

    256 + 16 + 8 + 2 = 256 + 26 = 260 + 22 = 282
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    On top of all the nonsense that has been the last 24 hours, Steam is having problems with messaging AT THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME.
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    NOTE:  Don't try to fix it by restarting Steam.  People have tried that and seemingly lost their entire friendlists, wishlists, and inventories are gone.

    Apparently,the entire archive of the old Skyrim forums is gone.
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    ^Ah, such a classic.
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    So many important lessons:

    Remove pearls from Oysters before giving them to people.

    Nobody wants to hear a bunch of clocks at the same time.

    Smell your food to make sure it's food before you put it in your mouth and eat it.

    If you don't have the chops for the treat, don't eat the treat.

    Don't buy or smell things that smell like cigars, especially cheap cigars; and remember that a lovely container can still hold horrid contents.

    Don't put rings on your toes.

    Help your father.
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    See, my sister always felt bad for the fourth son.

    I, however, think that the lemon drops would have somehow ended up hurting the King like all the other gifts.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Aliroz said:

    Nobody wants to hear a bunch of clocks at the same time.

    except Centie
  • Princess AlicePrincess Alice
    You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    I was literally going to respond to that post with a photo of myself sitting in my room with the walls full of clocks behind me but I wasn't home at the time
  • TitleNameTitleName
    Aliroz said:

    So many important lessons:

    Help your father.
    No
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Anyways, back when I left here for a while, I got a job at a book-warehouse (as in, the place where books go when nobody wants them).

    There were big gaylord crates of books that would be picked up by crane-looking things, turned upside down, and dumped out onto conveyor belts.  Any book missing any pages or with any crease in its spine was considered "not sell-able" and put in the recycling crate.  Any book without an ISBN (for example, any book written before they had ISBNs) was considered "Not sell-able" and put into the recycling crate.  Any book with water damage was considered "ruined" and put in the disposal crate.  Any other book, we would scan and hope that it was (a) on the list of books that Amazon wanted and (b) that the quota for that book that day hadn't been met yet.

    Any book with any hand-writing was considered "not sell-able".  We were told to be "picky, like only sell the books you would actually buy".  We were supposed to each do thousands of books every day.  They measured it by weight and by crate.

    There are fewer books in the valley I live in at the end of each year then there were at the beginning, I'm sure of it.

    I have condemned more books than I have ever read, more than I will ever read.  I condemned rare dictionaries and books of scripture to be destroyed and recycled and sent out "deluxe gay pulp erotica" to be sold on Amazon.  I condemned people's journals.

    I once had in my hands a book printed in 1826, full of recipes, with family photos, letters, and recipe cards stuffed between every page.  Every page had generations of notes in the margins.  It was before ISBNs, so the rules were to recycle it.  But every time I tried, I found that it was back on my desk.

    I should have stolen that book, and tried to track down the family who owned it.  There must be heirs to such a bounty of knowledge and history, or at least it belongs in a museum, or at least it should be scanned, it's unique!

    I could not, however, steal it.  I could not break the law and disappoint my parents...  I showed it to my boss and he became interested in it.  I last saw it, hours later, in his hands, as he read it at his desk.  At least, I think that was the book, it was a book of the same size, shape, and color.  I hope it was that book.

    For months, I could not bear to read paper books because of the guilt.  I refused to do e-books or audio-books on principle, so only books on tape it was.  But, even then, I couldn't enjoy it like I used to.

    Eventually, I got fired from that job, for not being fast enough to make their minimum quotas.  I've never, in my heart of hearts, been able to consider myself a good person book-wise since.

    Maybe they'll let me be a librarian someday, but I'll never let me.  The world is dying, our history is dying, and we are destroying it every day.

    For a long time, I just hardened over these thoughts, until I could scab them over and not feel it anymore.

    But, my grandmother kept decades of journals, and they are being scanned and preserved, all of them.  And her boxes full of photographs.  They will be kept safe and never sold.

    And, somehow, the gulf between the person she was, the life she lived and the people she loved; and the wretched traitor I am, it makes me weep.

    Only since December have I been able to truly enjoy a print book.  From Pericles to Philip, by Glover.  1926 printing.  The university has the old book, and there are notes in the margins from at least one past student.  It's one of my very favorite books now.  I wonder whether I ought to buy it, to save it from ever being sold by the University.  But if I did so, I'd be removing it from all future students, all future people who might be needing it, might be needing the things this book has given me.  

    Do you hold something safe and tight forever against a dangerous world, or do you let it be free to live and die and be lost forever, but to have been seen and enjoyed?

    How can we be generous with our treasures, our time, our attention, and our love?
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    *hug*
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    You are a good person Rozzy
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    A good person would have stolen that book and made sure it found its way to somewhere it belonged.

    A good person wouldn't have chosen personal safety and rule-keeping over the heritage of others.

    I'm not good.  I'm Lawful Neutral at best.
  • eriophora ziaeriophora zia
    I have cut a caper with the dancing mad god
    I don't think it was wrong not to steal the book, but I do think it's wrong that the company wouldn't let people take home condemned books if they wanted them at the end of the day. 

    You gave the book a chance by giving it to your boss. That's better than what might have happened to it had it never even come to your facility - it might have just been thrown in the trash. Perhaps none of the family wanted it and that's why it ended up there. You'll never know, and although it's a neat little piece of history, not ever neat little piece of history can reasonably be saved. 

    I would have had a lot of trouble doing that job too. Unfortunately, though, it's a job that is necessary - all those books that had a chance at finding new homes did because of you and your coworkers. If you hadn't existed, those books would have just been ALL thrown away.Handling excess books isn't easy, but it's necessary. 
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    The reason they don't let people take home condemned books is that, when they did, the rates slowed down as people looked for books that they wanted or could sell themselves.  It would honestly have felt worse, choosing which ones to truly save and which ones to either let-be-recycled, let-be-destroyed, or let-be-sold-to-Amazon-by-the-company-I-worked-for.
    eriophora zia said:

    You gave the book a chance by giving it to your boss. That's better than what might have happened to it had it never even come to your facility - it might have just been thrown in the trash. Perhaps none of the family wanted it and that's why it ended up there.
    It wouldn't have been thrown in the trash.  If people were willing to do that to their books, they'd do it themselves.  The reason they donate books to thrift stores and such is because they think that those books will be read/put-on-a-shelf/given-a-chance, because they don't know that, at such places, seven out of every eight books ends up in a crate that goes to a warehouse like the one I worked at (I used to work at a thrift store before I worked at the warehouse).  Even libraries and book-stores have depressingly high rates of getting-rid-of-things.

    You're not thinking of how many people might count as the family.  Any descendant of the original people who had it in 1812, or any descendants of anyone who had it since then, has a claim on it.  Probably some elder passed away and his or her family couldn't keep everything and just ended up donating unopened boxes due to a lack of time, space, or money.  In any case, it belongs to humanity.  
    eriophora zia said:

    and although it's a neat little piece of history, not ever neat little piece of history can reasonably be saved. 
    Not with that attitude they can't. 
    eriophora zia said:

    I would have had a lot of trouble doing that job too. Unfortunately, though, it's a job that is necessary - all those books that had a chance at finding new homes did because of you and your coworkers. If you hadn't existed, those books would have just been ALL thrown away.Handling excess books isn't easy, but it's necessary. 
    I refuse to accept that it is necessary. The world is NOT thus. Thus have we made the world.  Thus have I made it.
  • AlirozAliroz
    edited 2019-02-21 01:09:33
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    If I'm ever a writer, I won't have my books be printed with recycled paper.  I don't want my works to be horrid Frankenstein's Monsters strewn together from the guts of better books.

    Then again, considering Amazon's near-monopoly on physical books, electronic books, and audiobooks, becoming an author is merely being complicit unless I find some way to prevent people ever selling my works in a way that makes money for Amazon.
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