margaret thatcher death party

sunn wolf

lets get crazy up in here yo

Sredni Vashtar

Thatcher was an absolutely terrible leader and this music is great, but dying of a stroke is a terrible way to go, even for her. So I will dance, but I refuse to do so on her grave.

I don't know if this makes me annoyingly pious or not. I used to revel in jokes about Thatcher dying in far worse ways, but now I just feel kind of bad.

sunn wolf

to be fair: it was a terrible way to go probably

also being the first woman PM is an achievement and something i respect her for

however i am still raising a glass of wine. maybe to her life as well, just a little bit. who knows.

Sredni Vashtar

A healthy mixture of respect and loathing is always worth drinking to, methinks.

Cheers.

glennmagusharvey

At least it wasn't Jesse Helms.

Then again, we'd have fewer qualms if it was him.

Fossilmaiden

The only qualms I have about this are my general policies against gravedancing. Thatcher was a terrible person, and even now her actions are ruining lives. She is not somebody I can mourn.

Obā-san

Tre

brb looking up Margaret Thatcher

Viani

Tre said:

brb looking up Margaret Thatcher

me too.

Edit: done looking her up.

Normally I don't Speak Ill of the Dead....lol jk



*gets on the floor and does the dinosaur*

lee4hmz

Yeah, on the news here, they were going on about how she was such a great ally of Reagan. You know, never mind how many people she put out of work in the UK, since it didn't make the news here...then again, it probably would have been "un-American" to bring that up 30 years ago. :P

Fossilmaiden

Some reasons why Thatcher was so despised (shamelessly stolen from SA poster ReV VAdAUL):

Thatcher worked very hard to make sure Pinochet never faced justice for killing thousands.

She actively tried to undermine talks between the South African government and the ANC that lead to black South Africans being allowed to vote and Mandela being freed.

She privatised water in the UK and overseas. This lead to many being unable to have access to clean water.

She destroyed industry just to undermine the unions.

She brought in the wholly regressive poll tax that overwhelmingly hit the poor hardest.

She brought in "care in the community" and gutted mental health provision leaving thousands of vulnerable people without help or support.

She deliberately underfunded the NHS in an effort to destroy it.

Obā-san

unassailable

unassailable

unassailable

glennmagusharvey

^^ Yep, sounds like Reagan on a rampage.

Ronald Reagan was a jerk.  Suck it, Reagan fanboys.

Obā-san

glennmagusharvey said:

Reagan fanboys.

The fact that this is a thing makes me sad.

glennmagusharvey

So some people started a meme once.  Thought it was kinda a cool, funny idea.  The idea of the US America being an insane badass that gives no fucks, takes no prisoners, and pwns everything.

...then people started believing it seriously.

That's when it all started going wrong.

Miss Miko Mayonegg

Cake or death? That is the question. Margaret Thatcher took death. So... she must intend to let us eat cake.

Imipolex G

Eddie wins

Miss Miko Mayonegg

I MI PO RE KKUSU JI

HAIIIIIIIII :D

*hug*

Imipolex G

Hello Earthlight, are you celebrating the demise of Maggie T?

Miss Miko Mayonegg

I am not since it violates my principles. However, I am hugging you because you are you. :3

Imipolex G

OK then.

Section42L

Yarrun XIX

When I first heard of Reaganomics, I was completely obsessed with the word. It sounded like some sort of dangerous power, like nuclear energy or something. Then someone told me that it was just supply-side economics, and I was said. But then I learned about how terrible supply-side economics are, and now I view Reaganomics as this forbidden evil power that very, very dangerous.

I'm not British, and I barely remember Thatcher from history, so I think I'll skip the dancing. Don't think I'd dance on anyone's grave, not even Warden Arpaio's. And that guy's a jerk.

Aliroz

I know very little of Margaret Thatcher other than that she's apparently a very common acceptable target for derision and mockery.

She was apparently an actual environmentalist at a time when that was uncool, so I guess that's pretty cool.

Salix Babylonika

normally I have a pretty strict reverence for the dead.

So, instead of simply celebrating her demise, I will hope that she finds redemption in whatever afterlife our souls may go to, or peace in an eternal silence if they do not, and that her evil work on this earth may someday be reversed.

Aliroz

What evil work did she do?

-sincerely curious and ignorant-

Obā-san

Fossilmaiden said:

Some reasons why Thatcher was so despised (shamelessly stolen from SA poster ReV VAdAUL):

Thatcher worked very hard to make sure Pinochet never faced justice for killing thousands.

She actively tried to undermine talks between the South African government and the ANC that lead to black South Africans being allowed to vote and Mandela being freed.

She privatised water in the UK and overseas. This lead to many being unable to have access to clean water.

She destroyed industry just to undermine the unions.

She brought in the wholly regressive poll tax that overwhelmingly hit the poor hardest.

She brought in "care in the community" and gutted mental health provision leaving thousands of vulnerable people without help or support.

She deliberately underfunded the NHS in an effort to destroy it.

Imipolex G

Fossilmaiden said:

Some reasons why Thatcher was so despised (shamelessly stolen from SA poster ReV VAdAUL):

Thatcher worked very hard to make sure Pinochet never faced justice for killing thousands.

She actively tried to undermine talks between the South African government and the ANC that lead to black South Africans being allowed to vote and Mandela being freed.

She privatised water in the UK and overseas. This lead to many being unable to have access to clean water.

She destroyed industry just to undermine the unions.

She brought in the wholly regressive poll tax that overwhelmingly hit the poor hardest.

She brought in "care in the community" and gutted mental health provision leaving thousands of vulnerable people without help or support.

She deliberately underfunded the NHS in an effort to destroy it.

Imipolex G

DAMMIT

Obā-san

FEAR THE KITTYNINJA

glennmagusharvey

I have heard that she had some reasonable ideas regarding the environment, which makes her somewhat more redeemable than Reagan.

Salix Babylonika

Honestly, it's not a contest. Reagan and Thatcher were both detestable people with large cults of personality that linger to this day. Which one was worse really doesn't matter.

Aliroz

I'm not sure how seriously I can take information from a website called Something Awful.

Any more detailed, sophisticated analysis of her wrongdoing?  I kind of need something more than just "Destroyed industry to undermine unions", I mean, what does that even mean outside of political-speak?

Something with less adjectives, perhaps?

I mean, I'm not contesting that there are reasons why certain people despise her, but, it's kind of hard to really know what to make of "gutted mental health provision", "destroyed industry" "Wholly regressive poll tax", "deliberately" anything, when such words, in political use, mean basically "Did things I don't like".  People talk like that about every politician, what makes this one different?  One might as well say "Because I don't like Thatcher".

lee4hmz

Yeah, Reagan's cabinet notoriously had some young-Earth creationists that truly believed divine providence would replenish whatever we took from the Earth, and repair any damage.

Salix Babylonika

Aliroz_ said:

I'm not sure how seriously I can take information from a website called Something Awful.

Any more detailed, sophisticated analysis of her wrongdoing?  I kind of need something more than just "Destroyed industry to undermine unions", I mean, what does that even mean outside of political-speak?

She essentially wrecked business to make their affiliated unions look bad.

I'm not sure how to put it more bluntly.

Although you are right in distrusting Something Awful as an information source.

Aliroz

Salix Babylonika

I'm not going to write you an essay dude, use Google.

Aliroz

Google?

I'm going to assume that you're being sarcastic here; suggesting Google to me.

I'll check out a biography from the local library.

Until then, I'll assume that she was some sort of mustache-twirling cackling super-villain with nefarious plans to wreck everything.

Resume your partying.

Salix Babylonika

Aliroz_ said:

Google?

I'm going to assume that you're being sarcastic here; suggesting Google to me.

I'm sorry, I forgot you were a luddite.

Aliroz

Being opposed to the trend of making everything digital doesn't make me a luddite.  I'm still for innovation and technology, it's homogenization that I don't like.  I think it's a step backwards to go from having a camera, a phone, a flashlight; all as separate devices; than to have them all in one device.  Much less total technology; less devices and machines.

Also, I hate Google because I blame them for the demise of Encyclopedia Brittannica.

Sredni Vashtar

You could look her up on Wikipedia and then cross-reference the article with the physical sources that it cites.

Fossilmaiden

I'm not sure how seriously I can take information from a website called Something Awful.

SA posters are not a hivemind, yadayada.

glennmagusharvey

Also, Mojave Music, you're not being very convincing when you're dismissive.

Yarrun XIX

http://solunacalendar.tumblr.com/post/47470264234/fs-j-darkoverord-snigglemuffin-i-hope-you

Fossilmaiden

Additional stuff from SA, complete with sources. Credit goes to all involved.

• Right to Buy policy caused lasting housing crisis, benefited her friends and donors, has links to current financial crisis: http://wallscometumblingdown.wordpr...tchers-legacy/, http://www.albasocial.co.uk/social-...d-her-friends/, http://newleftreview.org/II/71/wolf...atic-capitalism
  
  
• Was anti-feminist, fought against EU equality leglisation and many policies hit women hardest: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...page&q&f=false, http://www.jstor.org/stable/1601202?seq=16
  
  
• Supported Pinochet, Khmer Rouge, Saddam: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/304516.stm, http://www.popularmyths.net/thatcher-article.html, http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/200.../iraq.politics1
  
  
• Privitization caused inefficiency, inequality, and increased unemployment: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...page&q&f=false, http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...page&q&f=false, http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...loyment&f=false
  
  
• 'Community Care Act' greatly impacted ability to deal with
  mental illnesses, causing increase in number of homelessness, pensioners
  with MI, and suicides: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...page&q&f=false, http://libcom.org/news/article.php/...ovision-250406, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2263690.stm
  
  
• Tax policies were deliberately regressive, increasing inequality and decreasing social mobility: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...page&q&f=false, http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA
  
  
• These policies were so unpopular--and caused the first of her
  two recessions--that she stoked the embers of the Falklands to bring war
  with Argentina and used excessive force on the miner's strikes to boost
  her popularity with the base: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...epage&q&f=false
  
  
• Despite promising to have a 'bonfire of the quangos' they
  proliferated under her government and her used in place of local
  government authorities to push through her reforms and increase
  centralised power by Whitehall, even though she was 'anti-State': http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...epage&q&f=false
  
  e: Just adding the couple I had before:
  
  
• Supporting Apartheid (for mostly financial reasons): http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...artheid&f=false
  
  
• Using homophobic language to frame HIV/AIDs as 'gay plague,'
  cabinet minister suggesting 'concentration camps for AIDs victim' (afaik
  the latter never came close to government policy but included for sheer
  WTF-ness): http://inourwordsblog.com/2011/12/13/2425/, http://politicalcorrection.org/blog/200912110006

Hexartes

I have a bad feeling about this thread.

sunn wolf

no politics please

only respect, partying, and respectful partying.

thanks.

Previous Calica

glennmagusharvey said:

At least it wasn't Jesse Helms.

Then again, we'd have fewer qualms if it was him.

With Jesse Helms I'm just kind of sad that he didn't live to see Obama take the state of North Carolina.

Sredni Vashtar

^ That would have been glorious.

Obā-san

Sredni Vashtar said:

^ That would have been glorious.

Obā-san

inspiring last words.