Nerds in the 21st century think a picaresque is badly written

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  • edited 2018-03-14 04:09:24
    Is this a real thing or...?

    I have no context for picaresque either.
  • like any particular picaresque

    or just the abstract concept of picaresque
  • Eternity is a child playing, playing checkers; the kingdom belongs to a child.
    They think stories in the form are poorly written
  • anyone in particular or just saying all nerds?
  • Eternity is a child playing, playing checkers; the kingdom belongs to a child.
    Nerds
  • edited 2018-03-14 18:04:30
    That's a really broad statement though.
  • Eternity is a child playing, playing checkers; the kingdom belongs to a child.
    They do though

    it's an observable fact
  • Eternity is a child playing, playing checkers; the kingdom belongs to a child.
    Discuss
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    What's a picaresque
  • I can all but hear the chimes
    They are long and loud and slow
    Quasi-episodic rambling satire about of a young man adventuring and stuff
  • BeeBee
    edited 2018-03-14 22:20:02
    Specifically, a low-class roguish and dishonest hero, usually satirizing high society and corruption.  It's a genre with a lot of gold to be found, but also more prone than most genres to devolving into teenage bullshit.  At best you get Han Solo.  At worst you get Rob Liefeld.

    If you want to make Myr cringe, think Catcher in the Rye, but instead of a well-to-do academy kid Holden is actually Sluggo.  That's basically a picaresque.
  • Eternity is a child playing, playing checkers; the kingdom belongs to a child.
    I don’t hate Sluggo, I hate Guy Gilchrist
  • BeeBee
    edited 2018-03-14 22:48:01
    Right, and the bad picaresque would be all of that run through Guy Gilchrist.

    Like instead of being about how the wealthy are horrible people for systemic abuse of the poor and universal hypocrisy, it's about how they're horrible people for not liking the Beach Boys.
  • Eternity is a child playing, playing checkers; the kingdom belongs to a child.
    Sluggo isn’t even rogueish in Gilchrist’s Nancy, he’s just poor and lazy
  • Eternity is a child playing, playing checkers; the kingdom belongs to a child.
    V. Odd
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    some examples of nerds who equate the picaresque form with or perceive it to be bad writing would actually be nice

    i'm not saying i don't believe you, in fact this seems entirely likely to me, but please could you give some examples?
  • Eternity is a child playing, playing checkers; the kingdom belongs to a child.
    Some things I have heard nerds whine about:

    The first Edge Chronicles book

    The 13 and a Half Lives of Captain Bluebear

    A Christmas Story which is more slice of life, but nerds still whine about it for the same reasons
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    oh what?  the first edge chronicles book was awesome
  • I can all but hear the chimes
    They are long and loud and slow
    Odradek said:

    Some things I have heard nerds whine about:

    The 13 and a Half Lives of Captain Bluebear

    Ive never been angrier at someone's opinion than I am in this moment
  • What do you like about it, incidentally?
  • what's a picaresque
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Obā-san said:

    Quasi-episodic rambling satire about of a young man adventuring and stuff

  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    Jane said:

    what's a picaresque

    Bee said:

    Specifically, a low-class roguish and dishonest hero, usually satirizing high society and corruption.  It's a genre with a lot of gold to be found, but also more prone than most genres to devolving into teenage bullshit.  At best you get Han Solo.  At worst you get Rob Liefeld.


    If you want to make Myr cringe, think Catcher in the Rye, but instead of a well-to-do academy kid Holden is actually Sluggo.  That's basically a picaresque.

  • Odradek said:

    Some things I have heard nerds whine about:


    The first Edge Chronicles book

    The 13 and a Half Lives of Captain Bluebear

    A Christmas Story which is more slice of life, but nerds still whine about it for the same reasons
    honestly I never hear nerds talk about edge chronicles at all but why on earth would it be the first one out of all that they hate
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    the first one has a looser structure, less of a plot, it's more a series of misadventures

    it has that episodic quality that's common in a lot of much older novels
  • I guess so. Weren't all the Twig ones a little like that though? I could be way wrong, it's been a longass time, but as I recall the second and third books were also pretty much a series of misadventures, even if the characters had more of a well-defined "quest" in those ones.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    the well-defined quest is the difference, but you're not wrong
  • Yeah I get that it is a difference, I just don't recall them really "feeling" all that different. Shrug.
  • edited 2018-05-14 22:10:55
    I guess I was just surprised to see the first one in particular singled out because I have fond memories of the Twig books overall, moreso than the rest of the series.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i do too, with the possible exception of the curse of the gloamglozer which i remember fondly

    but i do think there was something distinct about the form of the original one, which made the whole thing feel less structured, more confused

    i mean i liked that about it, if anything it was my favourite, it's just a story about a kid lost in the woods stumbling from one horrible thing to the next, and that's what made it so great

    stormchaser and midnight over sanctaphrax never felt quite so aimless, there was always more of a clear objective
  • edited 2018-05-14 22:17:21
    Tachyon said:

    i do too, with the possible exception of the curse of the gloamglozer which i remember fondly

    Yeah that one's good too. I started to lost interest when things got a bit overly grimdark in the Rook ones.

    (Though, I recall liking Freeglader and Winter Knights a little better, but then I never read after that, oops.)
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i can't remember that much about the Rook stories, but i always liked the concept of a 'librarian knight'
  • edited 2018-05-14 22:27:44
    I found the revelations about what happened to Twig and crew very upsetting. But yeah, I don't really remember the actual plots all that well either, just how I felt about them at the time. Entirely possible I would have a different opinion if I were to reread em.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    oh, yeah, that was dark
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