"actually Doctor Who is bad"

It's so fucking weird that five years ago, I felt out of the loop because I didn't watch it, but now, nobody cares about it and it seems to be seen as a junky show.
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  • i have no fucking clue about doctor who

    like, when i was little, it was something that my mom watched

    then everyone was watching it?

    and then everyone decided it was bad, except for the people who said it was still good, who said it was good for the exact same reasons everyone said it was bad
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    I think it's switching showrunners, so look forward to this being portrayed as a golden era and the new era being portrayed as the worst time in show history
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    If the Moffat years are ever portrayed as a golden era I'll scream

    (I haven't watched past the Series 7 finale, but man am I not fond of Moffat's run or what)
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Moffat had good and bad episodes same as anyone

    and good and bad seasons

    idk Myr's right, there's always a backlash when they change showrunners (or Doctors, or companions, or any aspect of the formula, etc.)
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    It's like presidents
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    I was ok with series 5 and 6, I think

    It was only during series 7 that they started to lose my interest
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    what did you like about series 6?
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    oh, since I'm thinking about it: the fact that a lot of MLP:FIM fans would not shut up about Who kind of rankled on me
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    and no, "Slice of Life" hasn't helped
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    series 6 had enjoyable episodes but a story arc that i found uncomfortable and disturbing
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    how so
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    for some reason the first half of series 7 sticks out to me as one awesome episode after another, while the second half feels almost entirely forgettable
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Tachyon said:

    series 6 had enjoyable episodes but a story arc that i found uncomfortable and disturbing

    This, basically
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    why do you feel that way?
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    also there was one good episode in series 6 and it fucking ripped off H2G2
  • Series 6 started out really well but then Let's Kill Hitler happened, is my recollection.

    To me Doctor Who is Important because it's like the one thing me and my dad are both interested in so we usually watch it together. But like as a show it's sometimes great but mostly just kinda at that "good enough to keep watching but not really very impressive" level.
  • edited 2016-09-17 03:44:06
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Anonus said:

    how so

    well i mean, the Silence were conceptually quite a good monster, the opening story was strong, The Doctor's Wife was a standout, most of the other episodes had memorable scenes and funny lines

    but the story was this weird thing about Amy being pregnant and then she gets kidnapped without knowing it and the baby gets taken from her and this gets just kind of passed over and it's off for more wacky adventures in time like nothing happened and idk it just seemed really off to me
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Let's Kill Hitler was a silly romp, and enjoyable for that, if one ignores the story arc, i think

    The Doctor's Wife was not a rip-off of H2G2, and was by far the best that season
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    No I mean "The God Complex"
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    oh

    i didn't like that one very much
  • edited 2016-09-17 03:47:54
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i mean i appreciate that it was quite a well-made story, i just had serious issues with their conception of 'faith', which i felt was inconsistent and a bit insulting

    also if it was a rip-off of anything, it was of the earlier Doctor Who story, The Curse of Fenric (which i strongly prefer)
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Anyway I hated the blatant plot hole of how the hell the Doctor could remember the Silence
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    I think "The Doctor's Wife" was the last episode I payed attention to, because I like Neil Gaiman and it felt more in keeping with the goofy yet sinister weirdness of the original series.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Tachyon said:

    i mean i appreciate that it was quite a well-made story, i just had serious issues with their conception of 'faith', which i felt was inconsistent and a bit insulting

    also if it was a rip-off of anything, it was of the earlier Doctor Who story, The Curse of Fenric (which i strongly prefer)

    haven't the moffat years involved a lot of pale retreads of earlier ideas
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Anonus said:

    Anyway I hated the blatant plot hole of how the hell the Doctor could remember the Silence

    was it a plot-hole?  it's so long since i watched that story that i've forgotten the specifics

    i remember how it worked, they could remember them whenever they were looking at them, but forgot about them whenever they looked away

    i just can't remember if there was any point where he remembered them while not looking at them?
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    I should really try to figure out which era of classic Doctor Who might be most to my liking at some point.
  • Tachyon said:

    Let's Kill Hitler was a silly romp, and enjoyable for that, if one ignores the story arc, i think

    It was kind of a bad episode either way imo, but the main problem with it is the same thing you were saying. Like they have this whole thing where A Good Man Goes To War ends on this cliffhanger and they're going to go rescue Amy's kid right? But instead, we just find out what happened to her in the first ten minutes of the next episode and then the rest of it is just River fighting Nazis and that's apparently considered resolution.

    It probably wouldn't have been nearly as frustrating if it had aired the following week instead of six months later, admittedly.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Anonus said:

    Tachyon said:

    i mean i appreciate that it was quite a well-made story, i just had serious issues with their conception of 'faith', which i felt was inconsistent and a bit insulting

    also if it was a rip-off of anything, it was of the earlier Doctor Who story, The Curse of Fenric (which i strongly prefer)

    haven't the moffat years involved a lot of pale retreads of earlier ideas
    maybe?

    that was the only one that stuck out to me as really glaring
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    River Song was a horrible character, like Moffat's stupid OC, saved literally only by Alex Kingston's goddessly acting powers
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Tachyon said:

    Anonus said:

    Anyway I hated the blatant plot hole of how the hell the Doctor could remember the Silence

    was it a plot-hole?  it's so long since i watched that story that i've forgotten the specifics

    i remember how it worked, they could remember them whenever they were looking at them, but forgot about them whenever they looked away

    i just can't remember if there was any point where he remembered them while not looking at them?

    He didn't, but instead found ways to remind himself of them in a way that undercut them.
  • River was fine in the episodes where she was a sidekick and not the main focus, imo. But her "arc" was pretty awful, all told.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i mean it was different, since the monster's mechanic was actually an inversion of Fenric's, it was drawn to faith, not repelled by it

    but in both instances we had the Doctor needing to destroy a companion's faith in him
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i felt like 'the Doctor keeps meeting someone in the wrong order' was a good concept, but everything else about River's arc was crap
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022

    River was fine in the episodes where she was a sidekick and not the main focus, imo. But her "arc" was pretty awful, all told.

    that's how i felt too
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Yeah, the idea of the reverse meeting sequence was great but executed... rather questionably, but Kingston's acting made her appearances as a side character really enjoyable.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    oh, and, series 8 was popular, but i only really liked two episodes, and they were both written by Jamie Mathieson.  otherwise i found it kind of grimdark and found Capaldi's Doctor difficult to warm to

    i loved series 9 though.  it felt like the writers had rediscovered their sense of fun.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    you know

    is it wrong that the apparent shift in opinion against the show makes me feel validated?
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    idk probably not?

    i feel kind of funny about it all, really

    i can still remember when i was in my teens and some people at school were saying it sucked and i literally found that the most incomprehensible opinion because it was, to me, *so much better* than anything else on TV, i wondered what people were comparing it to
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    I remember initially thinking it was a show mature people watched, then Series 7 happened, everybody quit caring, and I wondered why I bothered
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Yeah, it was more of a thing I tried to like so I could talk about it than a thing I truly loved
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    it was a thing i truly loved
  • BeeBee
    edited 2016-09-17 04:27:28
    I think I missed the part where people retroactively decided the show sucks.

    There's always going to be a backlash against doctors changing, but I loved Tennant and Smith.  Can't really get behind Capaldi -- written a bit too assholeish, though I guess he got better after I dropped off.
  • edited 2016-09-17 04:28:18
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i'm really confused that you came away with the impression it was a show for 'mature people' though

    like, the revived series had the British parliament get replaced by farting aliens in the 4th episode
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    People died, the show occasionally dealt with difficult topics, it was a live-action, hour-long drama series...
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    then again it also reminded me of Power Rangers...
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Bee said:

    I think I missed the part where people retroactively decided the show sucks.


    There's always going to be a backlash against doctors changing, but I loved Tennant and Smith.  Can't really get behind Capaldi -- written a bit too assholeish, though I guess he got better after I dropped off.
    Capaldi is a brilliant actor who initially got stuck with really inconsistent scripts

    i think some of the time it was writers trying to write him as Matt Smith (see: Robot of Sherwood), and although he's talented, they're just very different and he clearly wasn't suited to that role

    he became a lot more sympathetic when they were done with that annoying 'the Doctor despises and acts like a total prick towards any and all soldiers' storyline from series 8
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    But he's a Time War veteran
  • Yeah I mean nothing against Capaldi himself.  It was 100% writing issues.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Anonus said:

    But he's a Time War veteran

    i think that was partly it?  like, it was redirected self-hate that for some reason hadn't been expressed in the last 3 incarnations despite all of them being post-Time War, or something

    i just remember being stunned in that one episode, when the Doctor was being a dick to a woman who had literally just watched her brother die in an explosion, because she was a soldier, and her brother was a soldier, and soldiers die all the time so she ought to get over it.  They were members of a resistance movement fighting a Dalek invasion.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    ...

    am I glad I quit watching
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