Friendly Reminder

LOAD Cherry

only👏sith👏deal👏in👏absolutes

Klinotaxis

only sith and nobody else

glennmagusharvey

attempting to sing this to the tune of "heart and soul"

failing

Odradek

KilgoreTrout

Apart from that particular statement, Jedi were dealing in absolutes all the time, weren't they?

Like "Falling in love and becoming attached to somebody leads to the dark side, no exceptions."

Or later on "There is no chance that Vader can be redeemed. NONE. If you aren't willing to kill him, then the Emperor has already won."

LOAD Cherry

Yeah that line was a crock of shit

Odradek

I saw one argument that the Jedi in the prequels were supposed to have an ideology that falls apart on the least inspection, and were sowing the seeds of their own destruction with their arrogance. Like how Qui-Gon is one of the best Jedi in the series, and he actively refuses to act in the way Jedi are "supposed" to act.

Bee

^ I kind of assumed that was on purpose, really.

Bee

unsigned int x; // only a sith deals in absolutes

KilgoreTrout

Odradek said:

I saw one argument that the Jedi in the prequels were supposed to have an ideology that falls apart on the least inspection, and were sowing the seeds of their own destruction with their arrogance. Like how Qui-Gon is one of the best Jedi in the series, and he actively refuses to act in the way Jedi are "supposed" to act.

If Lucas was going for that, then I didn't pick up on it. I remember hearing his DVD commentary on Episode II after Anakin killed all those Sand People, wherein he said (IIRC after over ten years) that basically love DOES make you evil, at least when you're a Jedi. Because you don't want to lose the people you're attached to, so the best thing is to be attached to nobody.

I really didn't like hearing him say that at the time. It would be a lot better if he said that Jedi shouldn't allow themselves to care too much about things, like not to the point of obsession, but that they should still care all the same.

Bee

Yeah, like, I assumed the Jedi being outright wrong was on purpose.  It just turned out George Lucas is such an awful writer that his plot holes double back on themselves so far that they can be interpreted as something much more intelligent than they really are.

Jolee Bindo would've had some angry grandpa words for the council.

KilgoreTrout

Yeah, I was thinking of that conversation with Jolee too. I liked KOTOR better than the prequels.

Lucas built a really great universe, but he's far from the best person to be writing stories set there. Legends/EU is a mixed bag, but the good stories in it are a lot better than anything Lucas wrote on his own IMO, with the possible exception of Episode IV.