I don't understand why anyone would be an Anarcho-Capitalist

Odradek

It doesn't even seem real to me, it seems like a fake political idealogy made up in a Thomas Pynchon novel

Obā-san

sometimes u hate laws but also want to go to McDonalds, u kno?

Tre

I spy a new sig, thanks Naney :3

Corvina

Why not be an Arachno-Capitalist instead?

Calica

Corvina said:

Why not be an Arachno-Capitalist instead?

glennmagusharvey

something is wrong with this picture

the spider has 5 eyes

Tachyon

you SHUT YOUR MOUTH Muffet is perfect the way she is

Fossilmaiden

Tachyon said:

you SHUT YOUR MOUTH Muffet is perfect the way she is

Incorrect. She is carrying an insufficient amount of crockery.

Sredni Vashtar

Spiders have different numbers of eyes depending on the species, anyway.

And yes, Muffet is great. I would let her tie me up any day.

Odradek

Okay but the topic

Haven

Corvina said:

Why not be an Arachno-Capitalist instead?

Paging @Vriska.

Sredni Vashtar

The topic?

It's a logical progression from late Victorian individualist anarchism and its gradual merger with extreme libertarianism of the Rothbard/Friedman variety. If you believe that absolute freedom is the highest ideal, it's not totally absurd to think that one might consider economic freedom as part of that package; and conversely, I feel like it proceeds fairly logically that the only truly free and unregulated market is one in which all participants are entirely free themselves.

Odradek

Okay but

Reality

Sredni Vashtar

(To be quite honest, I've always felt like really hardline free market people who *weren't* basically anarchists or at least staunch advocates for personal and civil liberties were just kidding themselves.)

Sredni Vashtar

Odradek said:

Okay but

Reality

Thaaaaat's not the way to enter an argument with someone with very strong ideological principles. Feel free to think it, but don't be a prick.

Tachyon

the topic

well, how about . . . a lot of people value liberty above all or almost all else, and a lot of people see taxation as a sinister imposition on their freedoms, and a lot of people incline towards absolute, uncompromising political stances, and this is sort of the intersection of those viewpoints?

i mean that's speculative and clearly very simplistic, but putting it forward as, i guess, a possible explanation and what i've always tended to assume to be the reasoning behind such viewpoints

a fuller account would presumably have to consider historical factors that may have contributed: the politics of the cold war, Locke, social mobility, the Boston Tea Party, neoliberal economics, Rand, etc.

Tachyon

agh i wrote a rambly post and got ninja'd by a more considered response

Odradek

Sredni Vashtar said:

Odradek said:

Okay but

Reality

Thaaaaat's not the way to enter an argument with someone with very strong ideological principles. Feel free to think it, but don't be a prick.

An-caps are not a group I actually feel bad about dissing in a dismissive way because like

Hans-Herman Hoppe

Stefan Molyneux

Odradek

I mean I understand libertarians, but, like, Austrian Economics is openly contempuous of evidence?

Obā-san

im with odra for a change

Vriska

Haven said:

Corvina said:

Why not be an Arachno-Capitalist instead?

Paging @Vriska.

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Sredni Vashtar

Odradek said:

Sredni Vashtar said:

Odradek said:

Okay but

Reality

Thaaaaat's not the way to enter an argument with someone with very strong ideological principles. Feel free to think it, but don't be a prick.

An-caps are not a group I actually feel bad about dissing in a dismissive way because like

Hans-Herman Hoppe

Stefan Molyneux

Hoppe is a kook even by an-cap standards, though, given that he basically advocates for tiny private dictatorships with no civil rights. I mean, he's like Boyd Rice if he were unquestionably sincere.

I mean, that's like dismissing anarchism because Bakunin sided with Lenin or something.

Odradek

Ludwig Von Mises

Sredni Vashtar

Mises wasn't an anarchist, he was just... wrong, on nearly every level.

I'm not going to pretend that the Austrian School isn't ridiculous. I'm just saying that applying extreme small-l libertarian ideas to a very right-wing economic framework is no more intrinsically absurd than those frameworks, and is in fact far more morally sound to me than applying such economic logic to social conservatism and authoritarian government.

Klinotaxis

shoutout to richard von mises who i keep forgetting existed

Obā-san

i hate those mises to pieces

Corvina

Wasn't Hoppe the proto-NRxer? If so, I unfortunately would no longer call his views fringe.

Imipolex G

sado-anarchism

Calica

Corvina said:

Wasn't Hoppe the proto-NRxer? If so, I unfortunately would no longer call his views fringe.

nrx is still fringe, dude.  trump is running from his own shitty fascist playbook

eriophora zia

Corvina said:

Why not be an Arachno-Capitalist instead?

Yes good.

Tachyon

neoreaction is probably less fringe than it was, it certainly has an evident influence on stuff like the Hugos controversy and the gamergate movement

i dunno if the internet just makes these things seem more widespread than they really are though

Calica

Oh, for sure, less fringe than it was, but the rabid puppies and gamergate are still basically fringe, I'd say; even on the internet, I'd say their main influence is being able to inflate their numbers by registering a bunch of eggs

Sredni Vashtar

The alt-right at large is far more prominent than its root ideologies were, say, a decade or two ago, but I'd argue that this is mainly because they have more of a voice through the Internet and within the populist/reactionary wing of the Republican Party where they didn't when the former was barely relevant and the latter had too many gatekeepers. They have always been there, and there might even be fewer of them now, but those few can organise far more efficiently than they used to.

Corvina

Once upon a time, the far right was deeply disunited. Now, they're much more organized

Sredni Vashtar

We're becoming a lot more like Europe and unfortunately we are doing so at a time when such a proposition sort of fucking blows.

I mean, at least the Democrats are becoming less terrible.

lee4hmz

As an aside, I really wish Twitter would do more about trolls and eggs, but it seems they're still too busy trying to get Facebook-sempai to notice them. :P

Corvina

Sredni Vashtar said:

I mean, at least the Democrats are becoming less terrible.

I'm not sure this will necessarily happen. I think they'll just jump to the right to sweep up more "Moderate Republicans"--and thus truly become the Party of David Brooks

Obā-san

speaking of Twitter: I have become rather fond of the site

Sredni Vashtar

Maybe? They'll alienate a lot of the people that Sanders brought in doing that, and they're already making moves back in the direction of social democracy to appeal to that strong progressive wing. Not that there might not be a schism between the right and left wings of the party in the long run, however.

Obā-san

wrt Political Futurology Hour: I predict that, given that Saturn is in the constellation of Horus, the general movement of the American public to the left when it comes to social issues has enough inertia to keep going a ways further yet, but I don't think that this will be linked to any particular movement on economic issues due to interference from Sagittarius

Sredni Vashtar

Pfffthehehe.

Odradek

Those are some great meta-level insights Naney

Obā-san

thank you very much, but I couldn't have done it without help from the telepathic emanations of the betelgeusians, without them none of this could be possible