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  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    also, a note to Naney:

    Issue #18 stars a cat.
  • Section42LSection42L
    edited 2016-04-04 04:28:15
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    On the note of Shakespeare, I am still amused how there's a scene in Macbeth that's basically Shakespeare swearing out his actors for deviating from his script.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    I'm not entirely sure about the characterization of Shakespeare as a storyteller, since he famously didn't come up with his own stories.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Shakespeare saying to not play with politics also weirds me out, considering how much he sucked up to Queen Elizabeth in his lifetime.
  • Section42LSection42L
    edited 2016-04-04 04:50:08
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    I think I'd get more out of Issue #19 if I actually read A Midsummer's Night Dream.

    Part of me kinda wonders why this was the issue that won the World Fantasy Award when either of the prior two issues in this volume are more deserving to me, though.
  • Section42LSection42L
    edited 2016-04-04 04:59:39
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Before we move on, I also have to say that issue #18 kinda reminds me of "Caramel Has A Tale".

    I need to go read all of Bob Bolling's Little Archie stories at some point.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    I assume that Element Girl is like The Chameleon from Spider-Man?
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Oh, I see that it's a bit more complicated that this.

    I'm actually okay with Element Girl's fate here since it's presumably in her future, and it fits in perfectly with the message at the beginning of issue #6.

    Also, personally speaking, unpleasant things are easier to handle when Death is around.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Neil Gaiman apparently wrote a Metamorpho story.

    Maybe I'll seek it out at some point.
  • Section42LSection42L
    edited 2016-04-04 05:43:10
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Finished the third volume.

    Despite my slight misgivings with issue #19, it was pretty great on the whole, and confirms to me that Gaiman should've done more of these standalone stories.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    also, the end of #20 triggers this obligatory embed:

  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Bumping up this thread for Sredni's convenience.
  • TachyonTachyon
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    A Midsummer Night's Dream is fun, well worth reading (or preferably, seeing performed), imo
  • Section42LSection42L
    edited 2016-04-08 22:20:50
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Another long bus ride, another Sandman volume to read.

    This one goes back to the story, which I'm not entirely sure about, seeing how much I liked the standalone issues in the third volume.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Delirium is pretty great.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    I like how Death needles Dream for being such an emo navelgazer.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    "I will not be tricked by you, Lucifer Morningstar."

    "Why sweet Morpheus, are you scared of me?

    "Yes."

    Okay, this made me laugh.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    That anticlimax was interesting.

    I wonder where the volume is going to go from here.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Before we move on, I have to say that I like that the story denied Dream his easy release from his guilt.
  • Section42LSection42L
    edited 2016-04-11 06:44:54
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Now I see we're going in for some of the pocketbook fantasy that I was worried all of Sandman would be when I first read.

    I do admit I like the way that Sandman!Odin and Loki look, though.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    and it makes up for that with some nice surrealism and Death, yay
  • Section42LSection42L
    edited 2016-04-11 06:54:07
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    ... Okay, I get what Gaiman is going for with this storyline now.

    Disregard my prior comment about "pocketbook fantasy".

    This is quite interesting after all.
  • Sredni VashtarSredni Vashtar
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    What is "pocketbook fantasy," anyway?
  • Section42LSection42L
    edited 2016-04-11 07:03:38
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    I think I meant Tolkien-style stuff with that.

    Basically, the mention of Asgard kinda worried me before I realized they weren't going to be central to the plot.
  • Sredni VashtarSredni Vashtar
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Oh, Asgard's just one of many heavens mentioned. It's an interesting situation.
  • Section42LSection42L
    edited 2016-04-11 07:05:16
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Yeah, I've read through issue #24 and I get that now. Interesting indeed.

    I have to sleep now, but I'm eager to see how Dream handles them all when I can get back to the volume.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    The irony, of course, is that the angel, by rebelling, would give the Creator reason to cast him into hell in the first place.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    I have finished the fourth volume.

    I'm actually starting to get really interested in the story now.

    I wonder if the kids from issue #25 ever come back.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    I still feel kinda bummed out from last night, so it's time to take my own advice and start reading the fifth volume.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    An entire volume of Barbie.

    I'm not sure how to feel about that.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Woah, a trans woman.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    This is shaping up to be more interesting than I expected, although I still think calling her "Barbie" was a bit on-the-nose.
  • Section42LSection42L
    edited 2016-04-21 20:45:12
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Interesting that it's "Weirdzo" instead of "Bizarro".

    Did DC not allow Gaiman to use Bizarro or something?
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    Section42L said:

    This is shaping up to be more interesting than I expected, although I still think calling her "Barbie" was a bit on-the-nose.

    I feel like Barbie is just a character Neil Gaiman didn't plan on having come back, but found her interesting enough to do it anyway.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Yeah, that makes sense.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    "Wanda's a man."

    I'm not sure I like where this is going...
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    I remember Wanda's portrayal being pretty fine.

    Also factoid: Destiny is the only one of the Endless not created by Gaiman, like Cain and Abel, he was a horror comic anthology host. That's why he shows up more often than the other Endless in other DC comics.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Yeah, Wanda's portrayal so far has been fine. That line just gave me pause, but then again, I suppose I can understand why someone like Thessaly would be so blunt when explaining why she can't menstruate.

    Interesting to hear about Destiny. I also know that Death's turned up in some DC comics, and also in Matt Wagner's Madame Xanadu, which I really have to read sometime.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    also, nice Velvet Underground reference
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    image

    This page is adorable.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Section42L said:

    "Wanda's a man."

    I'm not sure I like where this is going...

    Disregard.

    I see that the Gods are just dicks. Figures.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Hey, TMBG reference!

    Good song to reference, too:

  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    I like Wilkinson.
  • Section42LSection42L
    edited 2016-04-21 22:18:12
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Section42L said:

    Section42L said:

    "Wanda's a man."

    I'm not sure I like where this is going...

    Disregard.

    I see that the Gods are just dicks. Figures.
    Except for, of course, Death.

    Yeah, Wanda's portrayal was pretty perfect and I do honestly wonder why people have issues with it now.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Section42L said:

    Interesting that it's "Weirdzo" instead of "Bizarro".

    Did DC not allow Gaiman to use Bizarro or something?

    Apparently, they didn't:
    "I once dreamed I was making out with Weirdzo Lila Lake. ... The Weirdzos, from the old Hyperman comics. They lived on this square planet somewhere in outer space, and they did everything backwards. "Us do opposite of Earth things in Weirdzo World." They had these white faces, like they were made of crystal or something, and, like, they were all Hyperman or his friends. And all the women were Lila Lake. They had this Weirdzo Code..." (32.16.8-13.17.1). To a long-time DC reader, these "Weirdzos" are instantly recognizable as "Bizarros" from the pages of various Superman comics, accurate in every detail but their names. The original Bizarro was created in 1958. The character grew popular, and featured in more stories, gradually accumulating its own sub-mythology over the 1960s. In the Post-Crisis continuity, Bizarro was far less developed, and was generally used as a source of pathos, rather than humor. Gaiman wants to engage with metaphors from old DC comics as comics, as cultural artifacts that Wanda read in her childhood. In 1991, this kind of playful interaction of fictions looping back on themselves would have been welcomed in a postmodern prose novel. In the corporate world of DC comics, it was considered a step too far. Having a Superman comic book appear within a DC Universe book would be a fundamental violation of continuity. By editorial decree, Gaiman's references to "Superman" and "Bizarro" in the script had to be changed to the fictional-within-the-fiction "Hyperman" and "Weirdzo" (The Sandman Companion, p.125). Interestingly, the original publication of #32 still used the word "Bizarro" on page 17, panel 8. This oversight was corrected in subsequent reprints.
    Humourless bastards.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Today, I will be reading the sixth volume.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Emperor Norton!
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    The "Johnny Chinese" bit made me laugh.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    I'm amused at Gaiman making fun of himself through the old man.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Actually, I'm not sure it's that.

    Still, I like how that story was told like an actual old man would tell a story.
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