I feel about SAO the way you feel about The Spectacular Spider-Man, Anonus
Essentially, it's an average at best anime that doesn't do much to revolutionize or further its medium but is hailed by its fans as a tentpole of modern animation to the point of annoyance
(also, incest)
tbh I've barely seen SSM and was basing my view of it on Section's view of it :n
Admittedly, I had a period a while back where I was even harsher on superhero media than I usually am because I had gotten tired of all the talk about them on HH. Shortly before that, I had finally come to realize that I don't really like most of it that much, which made for an unpleasant combination. I think I said that stuff about SSM during that period.
I think that watching some episodes of Batman: The Animated Series has helped me to come out of that again, so hopefully I won't be so unfair towards shows like SSM in the future.
I do remember watching some of it a while ago and not finding it too special, but it's been so long ago that I'm not sure whether to honestly judge it from that.
i don't mean 'i doubt this is a harry potter reference' i just can't see how that could constitute any kind of commentary on potter
The Dreamtime is stated to be England's imagination. The Moonchild kills the Dreamtime, all the fantasy and magic and everything, and thus, Harry Potter killed England's imagination.
Also, the Moonchild is a very wand and penis, pun-based magician, and Moore is a ritual and esoteric mystery sort of magician. Crowley calls the Moonchild the most banal person and magician he's ever met.
The Dreamtime is stated to be England's imagination. The Moonchild kills the Dreamtime, all the fantasy and magic and everything, and thus, Harry Potter killed England's imagination.
This seems indefensibly, demonstrably wrong, though.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
I feel about SAO the way you feel about The Spectacular Spider-Man, Anonus
Essentially, it's an average at best anime that doesn't do much to revolutionize or further its medium but is hailed by its fans as a tentpole of modern animation
Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
I'm just explaining the thought process behind this stupid thing. I don't agree with most of it.
I agree that Potter's magic is banal, but I don't expect it to be anything else, and I don't think it's some blasphemy against the sacred or some such.
I like Watchmen from what I remember of it, but then again, I think Understanding Comics is actually insightful, so I'm not sure if my opinion is to be trusted.
I like Watchmen from what I remember of it, but then again, I think Understanding Comics is actually insightful, so I'm not sure if my opinion is to be trusted.
It probably is, I just overreacted because The World's Biggest Dumbass Gabriel Duquette liked it
are we not supposed to think Understanding Comics is insightful? There was a copy of it in the media studies room at my old school and i read it and liked it.
I like Watchmen from what I remember of it, but then again, I think Understanding Comics is actually insightful, so I'm not sure if my opinion is to be trusted.
It probably is, I just overreacted because The World's Biggest Dumbass Gabriel Duquette liked it
I like Watchmen from what I remember of it, but then again, I think Understanding Comics is actually insightful, so I'm not sure if my opinion is to be trusted.
It probably is, I just overreacted because The World's Biggest Dumbass Gabriel Duquette liked it
Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
Understanding Comics is fine. Improving Comics is not, because it has bad ideas that don't take certain things into account, and that's not some terrible sin.
I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
also I know this is probably way belated, but I think Section and I feared SSM was dull because we tend to be leery towards "action cartoons" (which are, more often than not, juvenile mediocrities)
Huh. I half expected it to turn out someone I knew was him in disguise, but I guess his username was actually just "EliezerYudkowsky" so he probably just joined after I mostly-left. (Or I just missed him I guess.)
It's a very "person with nonstandard and/or intense interests and a basic understanding of Good Storytelling" sort of thing to write and like. I've seen it recommended in STEM-based subreddits alongside TVT, and even on Facebook once or twice.
"Hey, Draco, you know what I bet is even better for becoming friends than exchanging secrets? Committing murder."
"I have a tutor who says that," Draco allowed. He reached inside his robes and scratched himself with an easy, natural motion. "Who've you got in mind?"
Harry slammed The Quibbler down hard on the picnic table. "The guy who came up with this headline."
Draco groaned. "Not a guy. A girl. A ten-year-old girl, can you believe it? She went nuts after her mother died and her father, who owns this newspaper, is convinced that she's a seer, so when he doesn't know he asks Luna Lovegood and believes anything she says."
Not really thinking about it, Harry pulled the ring on his next can of Comed-Tea and prepared to drink. "Are you kidding me? That's even worse than Muggle journalism, which I would have thought was physically impossible."
Draco snarled. "She has some sort of perverse obsession about the Malfoys, too, and her father is politically opposed to us so he prints every word. As soon as I'm old enough I'm going to rape her."
Boy, that was way worse than I remembered. I remember thinking that at least the non-Harry characters acted like normal people and thus finding it interesting what they had to say about him. Though I didn't read much.
Didn't TVT love it?
They did, yeah. Ultimately though I think it was more the explain-complicated-subject-through-fanfics that made me relate the two.
There's a standard Internet phenomenon (I generalize) of a Sneer Club of people who enjoy getting together and picking on designated targets. Sneer Clubs (I expect) attract people with high Dark Triad characteristics, which is (I suspect) where Asshole Internet Atheists come from - if you get a club together for the purpose of sneering at religious people, it doesn't matter that God doesn't actually exist, the club attracts psychologically f'd-up people. Bullies, in a word, people who are powerfully reinforced by getting in what feels like good hits on Designated Targets, in the company of others doing the same and congratulating each other on it. E.g. my best guess is that RationalWiki started out as a Sneer Club targeted on homeopathy, and then they decided that since they were such funny and incisive skeptics they ought to branch out into writing about everything else, like the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics.
Dark Lord Potter (I infer) aggregated as a Sneer Club targeted at Harry Potter fics they considered inferior, mated with a self-conceptualized elite fanfiction forum for properly dark, gritty, adult HP fics - the most elite HP forum on the Internet, or so they considered themselves. HPMOR came along and was critically acclaimed by mainstream authors despite not (then) being dark and gritty, and it was by an outsider. So the sneering club encountered something that seemed to threaten their status. There is also a common attitude that nerds are designated bullying-targets; or to write it out at slightly greater length, people who talk about science are acting like they think they're snootier than you, which is especially deserving of a slapdown since the person is probably just some nerd in their mother's basement.
The result is not surprising. It's basically the same reason RationalWiki went after LessWrong with "HP fic that mentions science like that makes it snooty" substituted for "skeptics who talk about probability theory like that makes them snooty". I don't think this is complicated enough for me to need to write it out in Professor Quirrell's voice.
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i think it was more that multiple people were talking about how bad it was at once.
I do remember watching some of it a while ago and not finding it too special, but it's been so long ago that I'm not sure whether to honestly judge it from that.
Also, the Moonchild is a very wand and penis, pun-based magician, and Moore is a ritual and esoteric mystery sort of magician. Crowley calls the Moonchild the most banal person and magician he's ever met.
This seems indefensibly, demonstrably wrong, though.
SAO is pretty and its premise had plenty of potential, but it falls flat in its execution.
I agree that Potter's magic is banal, but I don't expect it to be anything else, and I don't think it's some blasphemy against the sacred or some such.
i suppose i'm probably just insufficiently mystical and subversive to get Moore
Never change, HH.
This makes some people uncomfortable, because Snyder is a doubleplus ungood enemy of the people, but it is.
oh never mind
It's just shortsighted.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
I'm sure that SAO is still seen as sad pandering to teenaged male nerds in Japan, but
"Hey, Draco, you know what I bet is even better for becoming friends than exchanging secrets? Committing murder."
"I have a tutor who says that," Draco allowed. He reached inside his robes and scratched himself with an easy, natural motion. "Who've you got in mind?"
Harry slammed The Quibbler down hard on the picnic table. "The guy who came up with this headline."
Draco groaned. "Not a guy. A girl. A ten-year-old girl, can you believe it? She went nuts after her mother died and her father, who owns this newspaper, is convinced that she's a seer, so when he doesn't know he asks Luna Lovegood and believes anything she says."
Not really thinking about it, Harry pulled the ring on his next can of Comed-Tea and prepared to drink. "Are you kidding me? That's even worse than Muggle journalism, which I would have thought was physically impossible."
Draco snarled. "She has some sort of perverse obsession about the Malfoys, too, and her father is politically opposed to us so he prints every word. As soon as I'm old enough I'm going to rape her."
There's a standard Internet phenomenon (I generalize) of a Sneer Club of people who enjoy getting together and picking on designated targets. Sneer Clubs (I expect) attract people with high Dark Triad characteristics, which is (I suspect) where Asshole Internet Atheists come from - if you get a club together for the purpose of sneering at religious people, it doesn't matter that God doesn't actually exist, the club attracts psychologically f'd-up people. Bullies, in a word, people who are powerfully reinforced by getting in what feels like good hits on Designated Targets, in the company of others doing the same and congratulating each other on it. E.g. my best guess is that RationalWiki started out as a Sneer Club targeted on homeopathy, and then they decided that since they were such funny and incisive skeptics they ought to branch out into writing about everything else, like the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics.
Dark Lord Potter (I infer) aggregated as a Sneer Club targeted at Harry Potter fics they considered inferior, mated with a self-conceptualized elite fanfiction forum for properly dark, gritty, adult HP fics - the most elite HP forum on the Internet, or so they considered themselves. HPMOR came along and was critically acclaimed by mainstream authors despite not (then) being dark and gritty, and it was by an outsider. So the sneering club encountered something that seemed to threaten their status. There is also a common attitude that nerds are designated bullying-targets; or to write it out at slightly greater length, people who talk about science are acting like they think they're snootier than you, which is especially deserving of a slapdown since the person is probably just some nerd in their mother's basement.
The result is not surprising. It's basically the same reason RationalWiki went after LessWrong with "HP fic that mentions science like that makes it snooty" substituted for "skeptics who talk about probability theory like that makes them snooty". I don't think this is complicated enough for me to need to write it out in Professor Quirrell's voice.