The yuletide season has begun again

Odradek · 2016-12-04 00:10:00

It is time, once again, to re-start the national conversation on the sexual politics of Baby It's Cold Outside and pretend The Christmas Shoes is a song anyone has actually heard played on any radio and wasn't invented whole cloth by comedians in the 90s.

Obā-san · 2016-12-04 00:13:13

im like 75% sure that the rehashed discussions of the sexual politics of Baby It's Cold Outside are exactly what people who think of these things think of when they hear the phrase "SJW"

Klinotaxis · 2016-12-04 00:17:12

i mostly remember baby it's cold outside in the context of a choir concert in high school, and the sexual politics of my high school are probably way worse than the stupid pushy guy song

Odradek · 2016-12-04 00:21:26

#Misandry

Princess Alice · 2016-12-04 01:08:19

The most obnoxious part of the "Baby, It's Cold Outside" discourse are the people who say that the "what's in this drink?" line implies he drugged her

Like...seriously? You really can't think of any other reason someone would ask what's in a mixed drink?

Obā-san · 2016-12-04 01:10:57

what's in the drink?

cough syrup, sprite, a few jolly ranchers, y'know, the usual

Fossilmaiden · 2016-12-04 02:44:49

The Yuletide season, whereupon Fairytale of New York gets played on afternoon radio completely unedited.

Sredni Vashtar · 2016-12-04 05:34:49

I always thought the implication of "Baby, It's Cold Outside" is that the whole thing is a running gag with the couple in question. Like, it's a foreplay roleplay thing, and it's very silly, and, "Oh, how scandalous, you put bourbon in this eggnog! >w>"

Also:

Tamlin said:
im like 75% sure that the rehashed discussions of the sexual politics of Baby It's Cold Outside are exactly what people who think of these things think of when they hear the phrase "SJW"

This.

Imipolex G · 2016-12-04 06:21:10

the song is open to interpretation, although the stereotype of "pushy guy" is kind of annoying to me. Oh well

as for Christmas Shoes, someday by some freak chance I might actually hear it. Until then, said song does not exist.

Princess Alice · 2016-12-04 06:27:07

Sredni Vashtar said:
I always thought the implication of "Baby, It's Cold Outside" is that the whole thing is a running gag with the couple in question. Like, it's a foreplay roleplay thing, and it's very silly, and, "Oh, how scandalous, you put bourbon in this eggnog! >w>

That was always my interpretation too

It doesn't help, though, that it belongs to a cultural context that's not really there anymore

The song was written at a time when it was "scandalous" for an unmarried woman to stay the night with her lover, and she'd have to make up a bullshit excuse like the weather

But people keep recording it even though that's not really the case anymore

Imipolex G said:
as for Christmas Shoes, someday by some freak chance I might actually hear it. Until then, said song does not exist.

So...what is the deal here? Because our Christmas-music stations play it all the time, and I know it's impossible to avoid Christmas music stations if you have a job. So how do you guys not hear it??

Imipolex G · 2016-12-04 06:28:48

beats me.

Klinotaxis · 2016-12-04 06:28:48

it's pretty incredible how much seasonal music you don't hear if you don't drive regularly

Imipolex G · 2016-12-04 06:30:16

I drive regularly but I listen to doom metal

Odradek · 2016-12-05 13:53:06

They don't play it over the christmas stations either

Salix Babylonika · 2016-12-05 14:51:28

I hear "Christmas Shoes" 33,768 times per year because it is my mom's favorite song of all time.

The yuletide season has begun again

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