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Plot holes are not important

OdradekOdradek
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It is impossible for a writer to think of everything, and it is unreasonable and childish to expect otherwise.

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  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Plot holes are important if they detract from the audience's sense of immersion.

    There are some things that could be counted as plot holes if one is more nitpicky, or counted as details left to interpretation by the audience if one is less nitpicky.
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    Panurge said:

    It is impossible for a writer to think of everything, and it is unreasonable and childish to expect otherwise.


  • Obā-sanObā-san

    havent we had this exact thread before or is this a joke that's flying over my head?
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    naney said:

    havent we had this exact thread before or is this a joke that's flying over my head?

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  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    naney said:

    havent we had this exact thread before or is this a joke that's flying over my head?

    If the phoenix bird can fly then so can I.
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Panurge said:

    naney said:

    havent we had this exact thread before or is this a joke that's flying over my head?

    If the phoenix bird can fly then so can I.
    reading this in Jean Vander Pyl's Winnie the Witch voice is amusing
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    I've definitely seen people call certain things plot holes that I considered interesting things left up to the reader/viewer/player.
  • TanyaTanya
    Pizza Dog
    Panurge said:

    It is impossible for a writer to think of everything, and it is unreasonable and childish to expect otherwise.

    Yeah, Ok Tolkien. Like anyone's gonna read the Hobbit 30 years later anyways. 
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    There is definitely a beauty in a setting being so comprehensively fleshed out that every little detail is developed.

    But at the same time there is also a beauty in not knowing certain things, or certain things being left up to the audience's imagination -- and often, subsequent discussion and even arguments.
  • TanyaTanya
    Pizza Dog
    If we want to serious talk about it, People can't invest in a series that has too many plot-holes, when the internal consistency of a work is whatever the composer wants it to be, eventually people will lose interest as there's no creative strides being broken.... Mind you, you'll still make like 40 million dollars before that happens, so sure, in the capitalistic sense of the word, Plot Holes are like a duck wearing a lemon costume. 
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Actually, it's probably a bigger concern if there's a plot contradiction, than if there's a plot hole.

    If something is left unexplained, then it may be due to things we don't know.

    But if something appears to contradict another instance of itself, then we have a bigger problem.
  • Obā-sanObā-san

    Panurge said:

    naney said:

    havent we had this exact thread before or is this a joke that's flying over my head?

    If the phoenix bird can fly then so can I.
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  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    > when the internal consistency of a work is whatever the composer wants
    it to be,

    Well, actually, to be fair, there are some circumstances in which self-contradicting contexts could make sense.  But they're pretty specific.  Not something to be used without reason or by accident.

    > eventually people will lose interest as there's no creative
    strides being broken....

    ugh why am i thinking of this as basically saying that only new things are entertaining

    i don't like that implication
  • TanyaTanya
    Pizza Dog
    Actually, I have interpreted this thread to mean that, in reality, Glenn, when you talk about people having a "bigger problem" who would you classify as having a "bigger problem?"

    There are in for reasonable debate purposes, two sides when it comes to fiction, there is the creator side and the audience side.

    And the audience side is very forgiving of pieces with plot holes and plot contridictions if the story has things that attract them.

    The creator side might have a problem, true, but this is usually ironed out if the life of the product is allowed to flounder and breath.


  • Obā-sanObā-san

    This is like the white privatization of Yezzi style over the decades. Surprised none of this cracker jacks is rocking shutter shades. All this shit so out of fashion, ain't nothing grimey such as like the way we live now. Ripped up T's white on white or black on black. That it to be lit. All this shit above is garbage.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    I don'w knot what's gong ino enymoar.
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    naney said:

    This is like the white privatization of Yezzi style over the decades. Surprised none of this cracker jacks is rocking shutter shades. All this shit so out of fashion, ain't nothing grimey such as like the way we live now. Ripped up T's white on white or black on black. That it to be lit. All this shit above is garbage.

    Naney gets it
  • Obā-sanObā-san

    aye fam, #influencer coke-white fuccboi trill *Drake lyrics* murdered-out powerflex bae swagless struggle poppin' squad *fire emoji*
  • Imipolex GImipolex G
    Touch the cow. Do it now.
    wat
  • Obā-sanObā-san

    image
  • Imipolex GImipolex G
    Touch the cow. Do it now.
    well, ok.

    *twerks*
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    naney said:

    image

    You confront the Soul Consuming Flame and its cohort.
  • FossilmaidenFossilmaiden
    image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    The Soul Consuming Overflow Error.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Fossilmaiden said:

    The Soul Consuming Overflow Error.

    isn't that kinda what happens when you actually try to fight the big porky statue
  • FossilmaidenFossilmaiden
    image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    The Soul Consuming Flame itself is victim to one. They tried to give it a defense of 262, in an engine that only handles stats up to 255.
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    This entire thread just flew right over my head.
  • One-Winged EagleOne-Winged Eagle
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    I had a dream last night where time travelers went back in time to change things and it ended up that two planet-spanning empires, the Watsonians and the Doylists, went to war for ten thousand years.

    This is how it begins, isn't it? This is how it all starts. This is the beginning of the end.
  • One-Winged EagleOne-Winged Eagle
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Will I be Tiresias, truthful but broken, all-seeing but blind?

    Will I be Thomas the Rhymer, carried off to Faerie, before returning to the world of men, shunned by all?

    Will I be Cassandra, who knows dooms, but all are compelled not to listen to her auguries?

    Will I be Nostradamus, whose words will be pored over in the centuries to come?
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    edited 2015-04-07 04:24:56
    Fossilmaiden said:

    The Soul Consuming Flame itself is victim to one. They tried to give it a defense of 262, in an engine that only handles stats up to 255.

    So what happens?

    Edit: oh, it gets defense 6. lol
  • ToolsieToolsie
    ಠ_ಠ
    This was my problem with Twilight. The idea was good, but the story was so full of plot holes that I couldn't take the story seriously.
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