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  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
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  • It's just...

    Oftentimes it feels like this place is sort of flippant towards things that are important to me. And I know I'm oversensitive. But that doesn't make it less upsetting.
  • The sadness will last forever.
    rarity pony
  • edited 2013-12-27 00:08:39
    Let me tell you. About Fallen London.

    actually given how a lot of racism comes from the way that the human brain groups people based on appearance in relation to oneself (*at least this is the impression that i get*) this might actually be kinda related to how racism works

    If a direct causal relation exists, I think it's the other way around. That is, racism in society conditions someone's brain to perceive people differently, rather than perceptual problems leading to overall social conditions. (also, sorry for the reminder of Dan Savage--that's why I linked to a post about the video rather than the video itself. that and because the blogger is pretty great)
  • Kexruct said:

    It's just...


    Oftentimes it feels like this place is sort of flippant towards things that are important to me. And I know I'm oversensitive. But that doesn't make it less upsetting.
    My advice, from disciple to disciple, is to spend less time worrying about what nonbelievers think of your faith and more time combating the absolutely insidious, horrifically unchristian behavior that is passed off under the guise of holy works in this country.

    I might find fedora atheists annoying, but I find homophobic preachers far more offensive, and pedophiles in the clergy a thousand times that. That is what you should direct your anger and offense toward, not people who simply don't embrace Christ.

    One of the major problems I have with modern (especially American) Christianity is sins of absence being equated with sins of action. They are not equal, if one can even call mere ignorance a sin at all.
  • Although I have heard that the argument you refer to is one concocted by racism apologists, so maybe it is also bullshit. 

    I don't really see giving a reason for something is quite the same thing as defending it, though it seems that lots of people treat those two things as equivalent for some reason...

    ah well.
  • Kexruct said:

    It's just...


    Oftentimes it feels like this place is sort of flippant towards things that are important to me. And I know I'm oversensitive. But that doesn't make it less upsetting.
    My advice, from disciple to disciple, is to spend less time worrying about what nonbelievers think of your faith and more time combating the absolutely insidious, horrifically unchristian behavior that is passed off under the guise of holy works in this country.

    I might find fedora atheists offensive, but I find homophobic preachers far more offensive, and pedophiles in the clergy a thousand times that. That is what you should direct your anger and offense toward, not people who simply don't embrace Christ.
    I totally agree. I just don't usually find any reason to bring it up because I'd just be preaching to the choir.
  • Haven said:

    actually given how a lot of racism comes from the way that the human brain groups people based on appearance in relation to oneself (*at least this is the impression that i get*) this might actually be kinda related to how racism works

    If a direct causal relation exists, I think it's the other way around. That is, racism in society conditions someone's brain to perceive people differently, rather than perceptual problems leading to overall social conditions. (also, sorry for the reminder of Dan Savage--that's why I linked to a post about the video rather than the video itself. that and because the blogger is pretty great)
    that does seem to make more sense now that i think about it, but where does racism come from in the first place then?


  • Haven said:

    actually given how a lot of racism comes from the way that the human brain groups people based on appearance in relation to oneself (*at least this is the impression that i get*) this might actually be kinda related to how racism works

    If a direct causal relation exists, I think it's the other way around. That is, racism in society conditions someone's brain to perceive people differently, rather than perceptual problems leading to overall social conditions. (also, sorry for the reminder of Dan Savage--that's why I linked to a post about the video rather than the video itself. that and because the blogger is pretty great)
    that does seem to make more sense now that i think about it, but where does racism come from in the first place then?


    I think the most sensical theory is that it's an artificial construction created by those in positions of authority to stay in said positions.

    Obviously it's not quite that cut-and-dry in a non-abstract sense, but that's the gist of it.
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    we can to some extent trace the history of racism to a particular set of social conditions

    racism in the modern sense developed gradually over the course of the last 4 centuries or so, although prejudices based on ethnicity certainly existed prior to that
  • Tachyon said:

    we can to some extent trace the history of racism to a particular set of social conditions

    racism in the modern sense developed gradually over the course of the last 4 centuries or so, although prejudices based on ethnicity certainly existed prior to that

    The difference as I see it is that older prejudices were A) not organized, and B) primarily stemmed from rather simplistic ideas about what constituted a person and a citizen. This isn't to excuse that, but just to explain it.

    Whereas modern racism is very much organized and exists in spite of sophisticated, humanitarian ideas about what constitutes a free human being, which in some ways makes it worse, in my own opinion.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    there's that, but there's also the fact that grouping people into different 'races', rather than, say, families or nations, is very much a modern idea, and a product of the Enlightenment way of thinking
  • Tachyon said:

    there's that, but there's also the fact that grouping people into different 'races', rather than, say, families or nations, is very much a modern idea, and a product of the Enlightenment way of thinking

    This as well.

    Quite tangential, but I wonder if The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth might have had a problem akin to that. I recall reading about Polish nobles often considering themselves civilizers/christianizers of a pagan Lithuania.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    *grazes*
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    you know there's an argument, common in critical theory, which sees meaning as being constructed negatively, that is to say, arising from difference, rather than any property of the sign (which is itself arbitrary); this view is attractive to me

    in the context of racism i think it makes some explanatory sense

    like if everyone you know has brown hair, and then you see a guy with red hair who is also really clumsy, there isn't really any logical reason to attribute his clumsiness to his hair colour, any more than it is to attribute it to the size of his ears, but since his hair is notably different from other people you see, and his ears are not, it would be fairly typical, though erroneous, to conclude that his clumsiness derives from his red hair

    i know this sounds like nonsense, but that's because we're all aware of what prejudices are and how fallacious that reasoning is, and also because we're accustomed to the existence of people with differing hair colours

    but i do think a lot of racism can be attributed to the tendency of people to spot patterns that aren't really there

    it then gets perpetuated by culture; if you've been told that people with red hair are clumsy, and then you see somebody with red hair tripping over, it's not unlikely that you'll see that as evidence in support of what you were told, even though it could have happened to anybody

    none of this is to excuse racism obviously, i'm just kinda musing here on human psychology
  • ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Kexruct said:

    Gosh diddly darn it someone talk about TES with me.


    I love TES but for some reason the only discussions I have about it are about its negative qualities.

    I used to like watching by brother play daggerfall and Morrowind.
    Miko said:

    ugh religion


    >:(
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    goin to bed

    good night
  • ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Miko said:

    Smug atheists aren't the ones sitting in Congress ruining people's lives, are they?


    >:(
  • like if everyone you know has brown hair, and then you see a guy with red hair who is also really clumsy, there isn't really any logical reason to attribute his clumsiness to his hair colour, any more than it is to attribute it to the size of his ears, but since his hair is notably different from other people you see, and his ears are not, it would be fairly typical, though erroneous, to conclude that his clumsiness derives from his red hair

    this is kinda what i was trying and failing to articulate.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    88 MPH
  • i have this real problem with just completely failing to communicate an idea if i try to do it in less than one paragraph.
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    ants
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    salmon
  • I feel weird and sad.
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    same
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    Night everyone.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Good night Norman.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    communication breakdown.

    it's always the same.
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    good night Buster Bunny
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Babs Bunny
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Fifi La Fume

    (also Cadpig :P)
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    Anonus said:

    Babs Bunny

    shut up
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    I like this game a lot you guys.

    it's a goodun
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    is that an anvil?
  • is that an anvil?

    yes.

    There's a weird mixture of tech levels in this game. It's sci-fi, and you have a spaceship, but because you're a refugee of sorts (the exact backstory depends on what race you pick) you're living off the land for the entire early game. Leading to you having things like a powerful but excruciatingly slow omnitool alongside a copper pickaxe.
  • protip: stick the anvil and stuff on your ship
  • protip: stick the anvil and stuff on your ship

    I tried but there's like, no room.

    Granted this may be because I have too much bling on the walls or something.

    Also I only left the planet once so far and immediately came back because shockingly it turns out that plant-based lifeforms are not suited to cold environments like say, a Snow Biome planey.
  • did something happen to #trashheap? It's not showing up in Mibbit search results anymore.
  • you can easily fit everything you need onto the ship

    there's even enough room for you to split it up into two stories

    so in addition to having all my stuff on my ship i have a farm there as well and i just go planet hopping until i find cool shit
  • More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
    I play a cool robo-girl who likes guns. :3
  • also i removed all the background tiles and replaced them with these smooth white brick tiles i found, gives the place a very home-y feel

    that said i've decided to give the game a rest 'till you're able to play as a novakid
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    I guess it's off to bed for me.

    Good night
  • More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
    good night *hug*
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat

    did something happen to #trashheap? It's not showing up in Mibbit search results anymore.

    It still exists...
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