D&D Pathfinder

Salix Babylonika · 2012-01-29 21:20:38

Anybody else play this?

I am creating my first character as we speak. Now a changeling summoner.

Viani · 2012-01-29 21:44:23

No

Salix Babylonika · 2012-01-29 21:45:04

well fine then, Tno. Crush my hopes and dreams why don't you. ;-;

Just kidding, I have a great Charisma score. So I can just persuade you all to start playing.

Bunny · 2012-01-29 21:52:13

If I did start playing this I'd probably make a social based character.

Because, you know, I'm one of those strange people with a hard on for charisma

Salix Babylonika · 2012-01-29 22:06:24

Charisma is a great skill if you're a Summoner like mois.

Let's you summon gigantic centipedes and devils and elementals and demon chickens and....

INUH · 2012-01-29 23:24:57

I have both the beta and the final version. Haven't ever actually played, though T_T

Justice4243 · 2012-01-30 00:02:34

Some of my friend swear by it, but I've never played. Been doing some 4th edition. Thinking about starting a GURPS campaign, since I have tons of books for it.

Idler · 2012-01-30 00:05:06

i don't know what this is

Salix Babylonika · 2012-01-30 00:11:42

It's an offshoot of Dungeons & Dragons for people who thought the rule changes from 3.5 to 4e were horrible.

I never played either 3.5 or 4e, but Pathfinder looks to be awesome.

Justice4243 · 2012-01-30 00:23:14

3.5 evidently made the prestige classes too powerful, and Pathfinder addresses that.

4th changed a considerable amount of rule. It's the easiest to get into, though lacks a great deal of the character customization of the older editions.

Bunny · 2012-01-30 00:28:51

And because they need to be mentioned in EVERY TOPIC, some crazed fan also made rules for pony characters.

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/03/traditional-game-ponyfinder.html

Salix Babylonika · 2012-01-30 00:31:15

OF COURSE they did. Because what value would anything have without shoehorning those stupid horses into it?

Irene · 2012-01-30 00:32:18

Played it a bit. Not bad. It's fairly good, but I prefer 3.5 and 4th more. I like the ideas, though.

Idler · 2012-01-30 00:32:26

I think you mean "horseshoehorning".

Bunny · 2012-01-30 00:32:29

Nothing, of course.

That's why every bit of media I consume must have ponies in it.

Obā-san · 2012-01-30 00:37:02

I consue non-pony media.

Like all the books I read. And webcomics and stuffs.

Salix Babylonika · 2012-01-30 00:40:13

I know you do, I just sort of find it annoying when some people, somewhere, apparently decide "hey, you know what would make this thing better? FUCKING PONIES" and then they do it.

I mean, really.

Obā-san · 2012-01-30 00:42:27

Ponies do make things better.

And:

Irene · 2012-01-30 00:43:09

I think adding in any specific memetic item or popular one is annoying.

Exceptions apply.

Haven · 2012-01-30 00:52:16

Heh heh.

My personal opinion of Pathfinder is that it had some good ideas but it doesn't really fix the main problem with 3.5, where ultimately you have people who warp reality and people who hit things with sticks. I may be missing something, though. 4th didn't really have that problem, although it's such a different beast I don't know if it's fair to make the comparison. I've had fun with both, though I think I prefer 4th's tactical approach more.

Salix Babylonika · 2012-01-30 00:54:07

*shrug*

I've not played any yet (as I said before, I am doing character creation for my very first game of Pathfinder as we speak) so I cannot comment.

Seems fun, though. Especially since "summon things to murder my enemies dead" is something I enjoy doing.

Justice4243 · 2012-01-30 01:04:47

"And because they need to be mentioned in EVERY TOPIC, some crazed fan also made rules for pony characters."

I've seen these, they're actually the best attempts at representing Ponies in D&D that I've seen.

"My personal opinion of Pathfinder is that it had some good ideas but it doesn't really fix the main problem with 3.5, where ultimately you have people who warp reality"

Haven · 2012-01-30 01:08:24

Linear Humans, Quadratic Saiyans

Irene · 2012-01-30 02:23:05

Yeah, I do think they need to nerf spellcasters. I like that they did a better job of balancing in 4th Edition.

Then again, I'm not a fan of powergaming. Go play a video game if you want a broken character.

Justice4243 · 2012-01-30 02:26:53

Spell casters are stupid week in the lower levels and walking gods at the higher levels in D&D 3.5.

Salix Babylonika · 2012-01-30 02:32:56

Is it wrong to be a spellcaster because

well

I like spells?

Here is my (woefully unfinished) character sheet if anyone cares. It's not stats and junk, none of y'all wanna read that, just story stuff and spells known.

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Name: Tala Glaye
Race: Changeling (Half-Hag)
Class: Summoner
Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
Level: 1
Experience:0/1000
Size: Medium Humanoid
Gender: Female
Age: 20
Height: 5'1''
Weight: 102 lbs.
Hair: Pitch Black
Eyes: Gold, with large irises.
Deity: Tala is not particularly religious. But identifies somewhat with the goddess Desna.
Homeland:
Languages: Common, Draconic
Money: 10 G
Appearance: Short, for a human. Short, rounded face, small nose. Possessing of the same stunning looks most changelings have. Tala is muscular for her race, and it shows, but she is still physically weak compared to most other creatures.
Personality: Tala has been described as "forceful". She's willing to use almost any means necessary to get what she wants. Up to and including seduction and nonlethal violence at the hands of her golem-like Eidolon, Gyre. However, she is a good person at heart and generally puts the needs of those few people she considers friends on par with her own.
Backstory: The bastard child of a green hag and a human wizard, Tala's life was strange from the beginning. Her adoptive parents raised her until she turned fifteen and her odd powers began manifesting themselves more noticably. She was promptly forced out of her home against her wishes, and left without putting up much resistance. Seekingcompanionship, she learned the ways of the summoner from an elderly man named Chaim, who she studied under for several years. After his passing-on, Tala and Gyre struck out on their own, Tala still feeling the wanderlust common to all changelings, and Gyre following his mistress wherever she may roam.

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Level 0 Spells:

Guidance -- +1 on one attack roll, saving throw, or skill check.
Detect Magic -- Detects all spells and magic items within 60 ft.
Read Magic -- Read scrolls and spellbooks.
Mage Hand -- 5-pound telekinesis.

Level 1 Spells:

Grease -- Makes 10-ft. square or one object slippery.
Mage Armor -- Gives subject +4 armor bonus.

--

Gear:

Wooden Quarterstaff
Clothing
Adventuring Gear
Rations

Magical Items

Scroll of Light (x2)
Scroll of Mending (x2)
Scroll of Unseen Servant
Scroll of Jury-Rig

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Our current party is

Tala up there
A Chaotic-Good Half-Elf Rogue
A Cleric who we currently know nothing about.
A Gunslinger who is descended from a wind spirit. Most importantly, this gives her the ability to summon dramatic wind at will.

Irene · 2012-01-30 02:40:20

@Justice: Note how I said balancing. Nobody is horrible broken in 4th edition at low or high levels. Of course Clerics are not as good as Bards early on, but no class is horribly weak.

Certainly not, Spain Sun.

Justice4243 · 2012-01-30 02:45:43

Oh, I agree about 4th. They definitely made it with more of an eye towards balance.

Irene · 2012-01-30 02:47:19

It was fairly generic, being like an MMO. Although one could argue Wizards were worse. Free Magic Missile(so you have to hit... big deal) every turn? Nice. I didn't like the HP system though. Felt too... unfair.

Viani · 2012-01-30 02:53:50

Unfair like you never died or unfair like it was too easy to die?

Justice4243 · 2012-01-30 02:55:21

In 4?

4 seems MUCH more fair to me.

Spell casters starting with 4HP is always something of a joke. In our old 3.5 game, we'd joke with our spell-caster that we should tie a goblin to his back and double his HP.

Irene · 2012-01-30 03:00:54

More like you couldn't really control your HP at all. You don't roll, you just get a generic number that could be considered low to the rest of the case.

Justice4243 · 2012-01-30 03:04:17

Eh, I figure that's part of the balance thing.

They don't want godly/sucky characters because of a few lucky/sucky die roles.

Though that usually evened out as you kept on leveling up.

Irene · 2012-01-30 03:09:47

Well, actually, it doesn't. You see, their HP will always be near equal.

When comparing a Fighter and a Wizard, it's possible for a Wizard to actually get better HP than a Fighter because of bad rolls.

This is impossible in 4th Edition because HP is completely fixed. One character will never gain more HP naturally than another. Outside of items, this is entirely impossible. Of course, seeing a Barbarian with less HP than a Wizard, yeah, right, but it's not impossible.

Misery · 2012-01-30 03:11:54

What is this?

Justice4243 · 2012-01-30 03:27:40

I'm not sure equal HP is a good thing. Especially since that's part if the balance of the characters.

Having equal HP would make certain classes simply better as many could take hits just as well as they give them.

Irene · 2012-01-30 03:34:26

I mean that they can be equal. I agree overall, it's balanced, but the HP is not balanced in itself in 4th Edition.

Of course I expect physical people to have more HP since they're in the front row, etc.

Justice4243 · 2012-01-30 03:40:09

It just seems to me that makes for good overall class balance.

I guess to me it's a plus, not a negative.

Though, what does bug me is that your starting class in 4 pretty much determines how you character will develop. Cross classing only does so much.

Irene · 2012-01-30 03:48:48

That's true. But I blame the MMO feeling. And like I said, it works great overall, but on its own, it's meh.

Cross Classing isn't that great in 4th. Pathfinder does well, though.

Justice4243 · 2012-01-30 04:08:08

"Cross Classing isn't that great in 4th. Pathfinder does well, though."

That's something I heard as well. I understood that Cross classing worked even better in Pathfinder then 3.5. Though, I wouldn't know first hand.

Irene · 2012-01-30 04:12:41

It's very easy to do and doesn't have major weaknesses. I don't like wasting a feat on getting a new class. :/

Justice4243 · 2012-01-30 04:16:39

Irene · 2012-01-30 04:17:19

I like to have all my feet ready to use. ~Centipede

Viani · 2012-01-30 04:33:35

But I blame the MMO feeling

what does this even mean

Justice4243 · 2012-01-30 04:36:31

You basically NEED a well balanced party in 4th edition, striker, controller, tank, healer, etc... and all that.

Every adventure is sort of like going out on a raid in WoW, basically.

Irene · 2012-01-30 04:45:24

In addition, in an MMORPG, you generally are given stats, with few weaknesses, not to mention, you don't heavily choose what you level up, it just goes with you, often pumping up most of your character so evenly to the point that it feels less unique.

You see, every level, you gain a point in each of your six stats. Every two levels, you increase your modifiers. There's still some distributed points, of course, but it feels too automatic and not like you really choose how to pump up your characters.

Viani · 2012-01-30 04:48:36

Every adventure is sort of like going out on a raid in WoW, basically.

I don't play WoW.

Isn't the abilities/at-wills/encounters/dailies you choose along with your equipment what defines your character anyway, and not how high your STR or CON is?

I felt the stats are just there to get in the way and being streamlined in 4th actually helped cut away the annoying crap.

Justice4243 · 2012-01-30 04:50:05

Eh, even with all the choices, you're WAY more limited with a 4th edition character than a 3.5.

I won't say it's just AS BAD as WoW, but there certainly are some parallels to be drawn.

Irene · 2012-01-30 04:56:09

And those abilities are fairly limited on their own, too. The idea that you suddenly refresh these powers easily is not much different from how easy it is to do in an MMORPG.

The stats are a key crux of DnD too. All versions.

And when all your base stats update in a general way, too many fighters tend to look alike. It does have options for being more unique, but some things are just so much better, that variety tends to be an illusion.

Viani · 2012-01-30 04:59:54

I still don't hear anything bad about it.

Irene · 2012-01-30 05:05:43

People want more options. 4th Edition is much more limiting. They even reduced spells/weapons/the ability to be more broken, and so on.

It's no surprise that people want more options, and not less. It's kind of a step backwards. The game is definitely more balanced, but not heavy on options.

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