How is it strange? We're not important to the big people.
We're not a common setting for anything. Rarely are songs written about us. Our pro sports teams, the Broncos aside, do not tend to draw widespread interest. But on the other hand our most famous culinary invention is the fucking cheeseburger.
How is it strange? We're not important to the big people.
We're not a common setting for anything. Rarely are songs written about us. Our pro sports teams, the Broncos aside, do not tend to draw widespread interest. But on the other hand our most famous culinary invention is the fucking cheeseburger.
it just seems to me like you take it extremely personally and i dunno
Yeah, strip malls are bad. They're just one of several examples of suburbs being really bad.
They're about as walkable as regular malls, but they're not a single, enclosed space, so they don't offer the same social space as a mall does. Most malls are also at least two floors, meaning they're twice as space-efficient as strip malls, too (depends on parking as well, of course; you could always have a parking garage to ensure this benefit is retained.)
They take up more space, which necessitates more driving for citizens and more decision-making while driving, which worsens traffic and increases air pollution. Taking up more space means there's less space for, well, nature. Things being more spread out means public transportation becomes a greater challenge, which forces more people to dive. etc. etc. cities are a better idea, they just require more planning.
People complain about one-way streets in cities but every strip-mall-dense area I've been to in suburbia is pretty bad to navigate as well.
I feel rural areas are valid, partially because having a little extra space means people can grow their own food. It's certainly more sustainable than suburbs.
Suburbs don't lose much of the isolation that rural areas have. I'm a bit of a shut-in but there's maybe one person that any of the people in this house talk to that's within walking distance of us.
Also, every fucking summer weekend. Someone is mowing the lawn all day.
like people trot out those exact complaints all the time and they are so utterly, completely contrary to my entire lived experience that im like ??????????
I'll tell you now that there are no woods or hills in the suburbs I know.
Well, I guess some of the less-maintained "backroads" are constant rolling hills. But that's a driving hazard with suburban houses on either side, not like, a pasture or something.
like people trot out those exact complaints all the time and they are so utterly, completely contrary to my entire lived experience that im like ??????????
wait people do?
in that case i'm doing the exact thing i'm upset about
I'll tell you now that there are no woods or hills in the suburbs I know.
Well, I guess some of the less-maintained "backroads" are constant rolling hills. But that's a driving hazard with suburban houses on either side, not like, a pasture or something.
And i guess idk what i'm talking about anyway.
i was thinking, suburbs mean you're just a short drive away from the countryside, maybe it's even in walking distance
but i've never lived in a truly BIG city with proper (sub)urban sprawl
Well, it's not like you can't find hardship in a city. They're significantly more expensive to live in and poorly managed ones can botch reaping any of the benefits urbanization offers (there are cities with bad public transport, which means they're basically endlessly gridlocked, for an easy example.) But like...if you're looking for a social life or things to do that aren't necessarily connected to nature, you're endlessly more likely to find it in a city than anywhere else.
I don't mind strip malls but I've found that as I've gotten older I've started to resent my suburban lifestyle because of how limiting it is for me.
My neighborhood is almost its own world blocked off from Raleigh as a whole, which is a nightmare for those of us who like going out and whatnot but aren't keen on driving. One of the reasons I'm so excited to go to college is that UK's campus makes biking/walking around to get from place to place a breeze by comparison.
(I'm definitely going to be a city mouse for the foreseeable future.)
I have some misgivings about moving into a city. I won't really be able to own a vehicle which means I'll have to give up on dreams of, say, owning a dirtbike and screwing around off-road. And yes, getting out to nature is harder because public transit ends outside of the city. If you have the cash to book a vacation or something, of course, you could still make it out to do things elsewhere. (I also could be misrepresenting the opportunities to Get Outdoors; they may depend on your area.)
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Also I like Denver but sometimes I wish I lived in New York or LA so I could project their importance onto myself
The coastal elites think Denver is basically Wichita on Mars with mountains because *gasp* we have ALTITUDE and nice dry air
We're not a common setting for anything. Rarely are songs written about us. Our pro sports teams, the Broncos aside, do not tend to draw widespread interest. But on the other hand our most famous culinary invention is the fucking cheeseburger.
New York and Los Angeles: the culture, the power, the flashy glamour, the $$$
More inverse privilege: having to be subjected to the Illuminati shit
I find gmh's comment about "lateral sprawl" interesting, though
I love this song musically but could never understand its subject
They're about as walkable as regular malls, but they're not a single, enclosed space, so they don't offer the same social space as a mall does. Most malls are also at least two floors, meaning they're twice as space-efficient as strip malls, too (depends on parking as well, of course; you could always have a parking garage to ensure this benefit is retained.)
They take up more space, which necessitates more driving for citizens and more decision-making while driving, which worsens traffic and increases air pollution. Taking up more space means there's less space for, well, nature. Things being more spread out means public transportation becomes a greater challenge, which forces more people to dive. etc. etc. cities are a better idea, they just require more planning.
People complain about one-way streets in cities but every strip-mall-dense area I've been to in suburbia is pretty bad to navigate as well.
living in grey boxes surrounded by sky high grey
noise all the time and no privacy
Suburbs don't lose much of the isolation that rural areas have. I'm a bit of a shut-in but there's maybe one person that any of the people in this house talk to that's within walking distance of us.
Also, every fucking summer weekend. Someone is mowing the lawn all day.
maybe the privacy and noise thing is bull, i never actually lived in a city
but there's NO SPACE
no green, no rolling hills, no woods
just towering structures on all sides like you're trapped in a cage wherever you go
also bland little parks with grass dying from all the feet trampling it
and everyone goes on about how great they are all the time
the big city how romantic wow
Well, I guess some of the less-maintained "backroads" are constant rolling hills. But that's a driving hazard with suburban houses on either side, not like, a pasture or something.
wait people do?
in that case i'm doing the exact thing i'm upset about
ugh
sorry
i was thinking, suburbs mean you're just a short drive away from the countryside, maybe it's even in walking distance
but i've never lived in a truly BIG city with proper (sub)urban sprawl
but i feel like i'd get claustrophobic, to say nothing of incredibly bored, if those were the closest i had to real countryside nearby
look at those first two, cluttered little mini-worlds completely boxed in by towering red walls
EDIT: Someone is now mowing the lawn.
they are blocking it
i was not aware that the kind of post i'm making was something 'people' said
in my experience all people ever say about the countryside is it's boring and there's nothing to do and cities are so much better etc. etc.
so i thought i was making a case for the defense and now i'm sounding like the prosecutor
i'm sorry, i'm being an ass
like actually, really badly
naney probably left the thread because i was being so tiresome
and i hijacked Miss Utilis' thread