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<BlasterKyubey210> Yea, like I don't wnat players to dethrone the entire bleakness from the setting

<BlasterKyubey210> I don't want them to change Governments

<Dan> Guess I should log off for the night. ttyl, folks!

<BlasterKyubey210> Basically, at best a family or a small street AT Best

* Dan has quit (Disintegrated: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~)

<Jesse> Check out a game called Circle of Hands.

<BlasterKyubey210> and not let some evil Paladin overthrow the whole city

<BlasterKyubey210> Else bleakness dies

<egyptian> Blaster, that is the most black trenchcoat and hair over one eye thing you have ever said in here.

<BlasterKyubey210> Eh, be fair

<Jesse> http://adept-press.com/wordpress/wp-content/media/CoH_Rundown.pdf

<BlasterKyubey210> I kinda feel angry that I don't want players to well

<BlasterKyubey210> Ruin this ideal world

<BlasterKyubey210> Why have bleakness in a setting if the players want to ruin it at the worse

<Jesse> Maybe I'm not understanding:  Do you want the PCs to actively partake in the bleakness?  Or just when they stand against it to only be able to push it back feetingly?

<BlasterKyubey210> Either the PCs to be actively partaking in the bleakness

<BlasterKyubey210> or if they oppose it, only push say 1 nanometer at best

<Jesse> Interesting.

<BlasterKyubey210> Basically, at the worse, I feel out of place because I dont' want players to change teh world too much

<BlasterKyubey210> Like if they save a family, great, but no overthrowing the Lords or something stupid like that

<Silverlion> I.e not actually be player characters.

<Lin_Chong> You need to be up front with this with your players.

<willows> so like

<BlasterKyubey210> No, I still want them to be PCs, just in this limited scope

<willows> what are the players supposed to DO

<Monochrome_Tide> Well, I'm not sure if that's entirely fair. I think part of the issue is simply that you need to make sure what your players' scale is and that it matches yours

<Lin_Chong> Like, it's totally okay if you want a certain thing.

<Silverlion> He needs to find players that want to do what he wants, or try something else.

<willows> like are they just ground under the boot of bleakness forever

<Lin_Chong> But at the same time the players will probably also want something else.

<Jesse> Circle of Hands will deliver on the "you can only affect local change" thing.  It won't do the, the PCs are part of the problem very well.

<Lin_Chong> And if you tell them, you'll find out if they're okay with this direction.

<BlasterKyubey210> Willows, at the BEST case of this idea of bleakness, I want the PCs to be part of the problem

<BlasterKyubey210> or rather, trying again, the best case is they embrace this bleakness as an ally

<BlasterKyubey210> Rather then fighting it and only pushing it a nanometer

<willows> well i suppose you could play 'baltimore cops: the rpg'

<Lin_Chong> I can see the appeal in a tone like that.

<willows> but that’s gonna be a hard sell

<Monochrome_Tide> Blaster, the other thing is that while you're describing a set of tropes that are similar to noir - good people struggling against an unjust world and making small changes - that is A: something you need to make very specifically clear at the game's start, and B: something you need to make appealing, not despairing

<Lin_Chong> Very.

<Jesse> Well there's always Sorcerer where the only magic is dealing with demons.

<Monochrome_Tide> noir is all about (on the surface) the defiance of good men against an evil world

<BlasterKyubey210> I tend to go deeper and the cut gets out of control

<Monochrome_Tide> but it isn't about their impotence

<BlasterKyubey210> Like I make this small cut against this idea and I go too deep, if that makes sense

<BlasterKyubey210> Like that's where my anger comes from

<Jesse> Can you think of a book or film that delivers on what you're talking about story-wise?

<BlasterKyubey210> 1984, Big Brother is eternal

<Jesse> Right but the protagonist stands against that.

<BlasterKyubey210> Though he ends up embracing Big Brother in the end

<Monochrome_Tide> You know, the sort of dystopian fantasies you want are typically explicitly out to get the audience angry or horrified by the situation portrayed

<Monochrome_Tide> like, 1984 is not saying Big Brother is cool and awesome and triumphant

<Monochrome_Tide> it's saying that this is awful 

<BlasterKyubey210> I suppose my anger is often unsure at where it's going

<Jesse> What do you mean by "my anger"?  Your anger at what?  You players?  Life?

<BlasterKyubey210> In general at this point

<BlasterKyubey210> I'm angry at say the idea of Black and White morality

<Lin_Chong> I don't really have much use for it either.

<BlasterKyubey210> I want to crush it and corrupt it

<BlasterKyubey210> Turn it into Black and Black morality, even if it's dragging players, kicking and screaming, into that threshold