Dear fandoms (and publishers), ...

edited 2015-04-05 19:33:11 in General Media
I think I figured out a way to crystallize an issue I have with fandoms of a whole medium category of creative works.  Also with publishers.



Dear visual novel fandom,

See, I'm only actually in love with two particular visual novels.  I'm not actually in love with the visual novel genre/medium as a whole.  I'm still highly skeptical toward much of it.

Love,
Glenn Magus Harvey



Dear anime fandom,

I like your medium category's general art style, but again, I'm in love with particular series.  I don't love the category as a whole, and I feel that it isn't even a coherent whole anyway.

Love,
Glenn Magus Harvey



Dear video game fandom,

I don't even play the same games as the most visibly vocal of you, so I guess this doesn't really matter.  Thankfully, I already have found people to hang out with who like the kinds of games I like.

Love,
Glenn Magus Harvey



I mean, just now I was on Twitter and Sekai Project is advertising more VN projects.  Yes, I know they do VN projects, and yes, I know that this makes complete sense and is probably what most of their customer base wants.  That doesn't prevent me from feeling like "oh hey you like one of our products so you must like more VNs".

Yeah yeah I know it's not their fault.  I'm not faulting them for it.

I'm just explaining why I feel that I'm being pandered to and feeling a little annoyed at that.

Comments

  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    people who like VNs tend to like VNs, who coulda thunk it
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    a company advertises its products to its twitter followers, how pandering of them
  • edited 2015-04-05 19:35:29

    Yeah yeah I know it's not their fault. I'm not faulting them for it.

    I'm just explaining why I feel that I'm being pandered to and feeling a little annoyed at that.

  • Actually to be more specific, I could probably say that, as far as visual novels go, I don't like eroges, dating sims, or anything that has more than a couple or so endings.
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    I don't think you know what "crystalize" actually means.

    And even if you did, you didn't actually do it here.
  • edited 2015-04-06 04:37:14
    MachSpeed said:

    I don't think you know what "crystalize" actually means.


    And even if you did, you didn't actually do it here.
    I'm probably just thinking of a thought process that I didn't make clear I was thinking of in this thread, sorry about that.
  • wait, why the fuck am i apologizing for that
  • MachSpeed said:

    I don't think you know what "crystalize" actually means.


    And even if you did, you didn't actually do it here.
    okay, what do YOU say it means, and how do YOU think i'm using it improperly here?
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    To crystallize means to make something clear. It also implies something taking shape, allowing one to see or otherwise derive all angles and perspectives.

    I don't see a shape. I don't see any angles, perspectives, or anything. I see only vague statements without explanation or elaboration. I see a cloud, a fog, that hints at something but ultimately as it is, means nothing.

    I don't see anything.
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Also, if you only like select pieces of these various genres and mediums, then you're not actually part of the group that they're advertising to.

    It's not for you.
  • Yes, it's become a clear, succinct way of addressing my dissatisfaction with these fandoms.

    You probably already know that I've been kinda pissed at the anime fandom for a while.  I've tried the "commoditization" reason, and it kinda worked, but was hard to communicate to others.

    Stating it as being a fan not of the medium but only of particular stories presented through it -- and having much less loyalty to the medium as a whole -- is easier to communicate and still gets that point across.

    Hence, it has crystallized (at least part of) the reason for my dissatisfaction.
  • MachSpeed said:

    Also, if you only like select pieces of these various genres and mediums, then you're not actually part of the group that they're advertising to.


    It's not for you.
    Yeah I know, and I stated as much.

    And in any case this is more about the fandoms rather than the publishers.

    Perhaps another perspective of this issue is that I just don't find diehard fans of the stuff I like, as opposed to very "diffuse" fans who take a mild liking to it alongside a bunch of other things.  And that, that conceiving of a work as "just another [object in its medium]", is the commoditization I was talking about.
  • > liking anime stuff because it's SOO CUUUUUTE~~~ / "moeshit"

    > liking anime stuff because fanservices / boobies / etc.

    > liking anime stuff because lolis

    get out
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.

    > liking anime stuff because it's SOO CUUUUUTE~~~ / "moeshit"

    > liking anime stuff because fanservices / boobies / etc.

    > liking anime stuff because lolis

    get out

    isn't DYRE still on ijbm
  • ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    I'm not cringing, and I don't see why anyone would.
  • I have cut a caper with the dancing mad god
    Tbh I have no issue with people who like anime stuff because it is cute or because boobs. Those seem like valid things to like.

    Loli stuff makes me uncomfortable, though
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.

    Tbh I have no issue with people who like anime stuff because it is cute or because boobs. Those seem like valid things to like.

    Loli stuff makes me uncomfortable, though


  • My dreams exceed my real life

    Tbh I have no issue with people who like anime stuff because it is cute or because boobs. Those seem like valid things to like.

    Loli stuff makes me uncomfortable, though


  • Aliroz said:

    I'm not cringing, and I don't see why anyone would.

    i'm shitposting my opinions and this is apparently cringeworthy for some people
    Calica said:

    isn't DYRE still on ijbm

    he isn't annoying about it so i have no problem with him
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    Yeah, the whole loli thing bothers me too. Aside from the obvious perving on little girls thing, Humbert Humbert was neither a good man nor a role model, and Dolores' life was not that great either.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    I don't think gross lolicon fans have actually read Lolita, let alone have it be what convinced them to be lolicon.
  • Panurge said:

    I don't think gross lolicon fans have actually read Lolita, let alone have it be what convinced them to be lolicon.


  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Remember when Eddie deleted TVT's Lolita article because "but what about Lolita" was the rallying cry of people who objected to deleting pedophilic works pages?
  • And he literally said there was no other reason for it to exist other than that?

    Gooooooood times.
  • My dreams exceed my real life

    Remember when Eddie deleted TVT's Lolita article because "but what about Lolita" was the rallying cry of people who objected to deleting pedophilic works pages?

    Master troll Fast Eddie.
  • hello my name is speedy edward and i will be your captain for this ruse cruise
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    He didn't even bother checking the book's Wikipedia page, did he?
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Haha, you believe Fast Eddie reads books?
  • wikipedia isnt a book
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Haha, you believe Fast Eddie reads  about books?
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    So he must have assumed, based on what the complainers were saying, that Lolita was some sort of weird Japanese pornography and deleted the article to spite them. Seems like he did things out of spite a lot.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    everything is about Fast Eddie eventually
  • IIRC he deleted it just to shut that argument down, not because he didn't know what the book was
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    naney said:IIRC he deleted it just to shut that argument down, not because he didn't know what the book was


    shit that fast eddie will shut down: memes*, arguments about
    lolita, any criticism of how he ran the site

    *THE DNA OF THE SOUL
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    naney said:

    IIRC he deleted it just to shut that argument down, not because he didn't know what the book was

    Basically yeah

    He mostly seemed to do it because he was pissed off


  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    that describes a lot of fast eddie actions
  • edited 2015-04-10 03:01:24
    THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    And I guess that's what confused me so much about Eddie...he just did things, often without telling anyone.

    I was used to people who didn't do things, but they sure could whine about how bad they had it, and how mean people were to them, and how THEY would run things if only they had the power! I think I saw more arguments on IRC back in the late 1990s and early 2000s end in rage quits than actual movement on an issue, and it certainly didn't help that one of the instigators was a fussy conservative in a channel full of fairly liberal people.
  • Calica said:

    that describes a lot of fast eddie actions

    like google banning snowbull and never relenting and reversing the ban

    (I sometimes feel guilty for not speaking out, fearing I would be next)
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    first they came for snowbull, and I did not speak out, for I was not snowbull
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