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MissUtilisMissUtilis
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But not how Ralph Wolf is basically Wile E. Coyote, or how Cogswell is basically Mr. Slate.
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  • Yarrun XIXYarrun XIX
    Whores! we want "poems that kill."
    Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
    guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
    and take their weapons leaving them dead
    That kind of ripping off has a long and storied tradition in commedia dell'arte. We recognize that they're supposed to be different riffs on the same theme. Comedy protects it.

    Disney aims to make movies that are noticeably different, and is therefore not protected
  • MissUtilisMissUtilis
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    now I'm thinking about how Hanna-Barbera cartoons have a lot of one-off characters with similar voices meant to identify them as a certain type of character

    some of these, like the Phil Silvers impression, were applied later to full-blown characters like Hokey Wolf
  • One-Winged EagleOne-Winged Eagle
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    A, it was a different time.
    B, because it was a different time, there was less demand for unique character designs.
    C, I believe philosophy was to treat the characters not as characters, but as "actors", to be cast in different movies and retaining their distinguishing features. Something Tezuka also did in his Star System.
    D, we expect more from entertainment now. Having the same face is a sign of laziness, even if everything else is meticulously produced.
  • MissUtilisMissUtilis
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    this was kind of a joke thread, but to be serious, with regards to the "different time" thing, I'm not sure how many people today are really familiar with the notion of a house style

    Disney (the feature animation side) is one of the few animation entities to cling to a house style, and classic animation has been pushed out of the limelight in recent years anyway - compare this and this (I'll always stand up for H-B's immediately identifiable early look, but the character side of it at least isn't that far removed from tradition)
  • One-Winged EagleOne-Winged Eagle
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    I get the "house style" business. But the thing is that this isn't it.

    People used the house style because it was simpler and easier and it let you do more with less.

    Disney does not do more with less. They pump huge amounts of money into individual movies. They meticulously model hair, trees, robots, snow, etc.

    But they won't make a character's face distinct. Which is a very skewed priority.
  • TanyaTanya
    Pizza Dog
    Let's defend the billion dollar corporation, on the basis that they couldn't have done better.... Obviously.

    /sarcasm
  • MissUtilisMissUtilis
    BEWARE OF GRRL!
    MachSpeed said:

    I get the "house style" business. But the thing is that this isn't it.


    People used the house style because it was simpler and easier and it let you do more with less.

    Disney does not do more with less. They pump huge amounts of money into individual movies. They meticulously model hair, trees, robots, snow, etc.

    But they won't make a character's face distinct. Which is a very skewed priority.
    that's a good point, actually

    also house styles are easy for top-down-managed studios (like Disney and Hanna-Barbera and in a way DreamWorks) to train artists in
  • MetaFourMetaFour
    For once, or maybe twice, I was in my prime.
    I didn't realize at the time that Ralph Wolf and Wile E. Coyote were supposed to be different characters. I just thought, "Oh, the coyote is going after sheep in this cartoon. Okay."
  • AlduinAlduin
    THEY WERE FRATERNAL TWINS
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    MetaFour said:

    I didn't realize at the time that Ralph Wolf and Wile E. Coyote were supposed to be different characters. I just thought, "Oh, the coyote is going after sheep in this cartoon. Okay."


  • CalicaCalica
    Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    it probably costs about as much to animate a single face as all the snow and environments combined
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    I thought that Ralph Wolf, "Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius" and the Coyote that chases the Road Runner were all supposed to be the same character, too.
  • ★ ~ S U M M E R ✿ S A U S A G E ! ~ ★★ ~ S U M M E R ✿ S A U S A G E ! ~ ★
    CUNTASAURUS REXXX
    Section42L said:

    I thought that Ralph Wolf, "Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius" and the Coyote that chases the Road Runner were all supposed to be the same character, too.

    You mean Wile. E Coyote?
  • MissUtilisMissUtilis
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    There's two Wile E. Coyotes. That one doesn't talk. The Super Genius talks and also has a red nose.
  • TanyaTanya
    Pizza Dog
    Midnight Velvet's rotting corpse said:

    Section42L said:

    I thought that Ralph Wolf, "Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius" and the Coyote that chases the Road Runner were all supposed to be the same character, too.

    You mean Wile. E Coyote?
    There's a Wile. E Coyote that's crossed over with Bugs Bunny.

    I don't know the lore, but I think they can be taken as separate characters.
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    CUNTASAURUS REXXX
    Huh, never knew that. neat.
  • CalicaCalica
    Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    Miss Utilis said:

    There's two Wile E. Coyotes. That one doesn't talk. The Super Genius talks and also has a red nose.

    that isn't red at all
  • MissUtilisMissUtilis
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    Well my memory failed me again
  • MetaFourMetaFour
    For once, or maybe twice, I was in my prime.
    WHAT

    WHAT

    The "Super Genius" one was supposed to be a separate character, too?

    MIND: BLOWN

    (I'm only slightly exaggerating.)

    (Although I do recall there being this home video anthology of the best Looney Tunes, more or less, with a framing device of Bugs Bunny looking back on his long, storied career. And in this video Bugs himself said that "Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius" and the one who chased the Road Runner were one and the same.)
  • MissUtilisMissUtilis
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    I always mentally considered him such because it was so strange to me that he didn't speak when chasing Road Runner but did when trying to eat Bugs
  • MetaFourMetaFour
    For once, or maybe twice, I was in my prime.
    The one who chased the roadrunner DID speak at least once. It was a meta episode, and some kids were watching him on TV, wondering why he always chased that roadrunner, and he broke the fourth wall to answer them.
  • MissUtilisMissUtilis
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    you mean this?

    (Also, no, WB didn't ACQUIRE DC Comics. DC was purchased by the Kinney National Company in 1967, and Warner Bros.-Seven Arts by Kinney in 1969. Kinney would later become Warner Communications, a forerunner to Time Warner)
  • MissUtilisMissUtilis
    BEWARE OF GRRL!
    also, bad confession: I don't think I've seen much of Chuck Jones's work for WB past the late '50s

    I hope it didn't change much when his collaborator Michael Maltese (brilliant in his own right) jumped for Hanna-Barbera
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