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"The Nolan Batman films are really Republican/Conservative, guys!"

AlduinAlduin
edited 2015-02-06 13:48:50 in General Media
Hello, the main character is a rich white male who operates outside of the corruption-and-bureaucracy-plagued legal system in order to achieve better results. 

Of course a Batman film's going to have a conservative bent.

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  • OdradekOdradek
    edited 2015-02-06 13:37:55
    My dreams exceed my real life
    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2012/07/the-dark-knight-is-no-capitalist/

    nanananananana

  • TachyonTachyon
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    is it weird that associating conservatism with negative portrayals of the establishment is really counterintuitive to me?

    like i follow the reasoning and understand why the association exists but it seems, i dunno, kind of topsy turvy
  • AlduinAlduin
    ,My favorite part of the Nolan trilogy is at the end, where they unveil a statue of a man dressed in a bat costume and the characters all take it completely seriously
  • HexartesHexartes
    I think it's possible to make Batman have a liberal bent (preface: I have never read any Batman thing other than The Killing Joke so keep that in mind)

    like say what if he was acting outside the law because police officers were always intent on killing the villains/putting them in the ridiculously ineffective American prison system and all he really sought to do was give them the rehabilitation they need
  • AlduinAlduin
    Eeeeh, it still has to deal with the fact that Bruce Wayne is pretty much one of the 1%
  • HavenHaven
    edited 2015-02-06 15:13:09
    Let me tell you. About Fallen London.
    A version of Batman that didn't rely on wealth would be pretty interesting. Less high-tech gadgets and more jury-rigged stuff, less kung fu and more street brawling, less forensic analysis and more deductive reasoning.

    The problem with making Batman left-wing, though, is that a lot of the conceit is that once someone breaks the law, they are subject to any level of violence. Similarly, there's the idea that the mentally ill are always both incurable and extremely dangerous. You'd have to change a lot about him to make it palatable.

    Superman was always the more working class hero, a lot of his early stories had a huge bent towards labor (even now, his archnemesis is a CEO, although I can't remember the last time I saw a Superman story where the class angle was really played).


    Tachyon said:

    is it weird that associating conservatism with negative portrayals of the establishment is really counterintuitive to me?

    like i follow the reasoning and understand why the association exists but it seems, i dunno, kind of topsy turvy

    Yeah, conservatism (at least in America) is this weird blend of authoritarianism and the idea that the government is always terrible. See George W. Bush campaigning on "small government" and then signing the Patriot Act.
  • TachyonTachyon
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i don't think that's quite how it is over here but i'm not sure.

    The idea of making Batman liberal is kind of weird to me... the thematic association of mental illness with crime is kind of hard to get around without substantially changing the premise i think.

    i don't think rich guy punching bad guys has to equate to fascism though, at least not in principle.
  • HexartesHexartes
    It's workable, but I don't know if anyone's gotten the right spin on it yet.
  • HexartesHexartes
    At any rate, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with him being rich, though.
  • Obā-sanObā-san

    perhaps he's wondering why you'd shoot a man before reading him the wealth of nations
  • Obā-sanObā-san
    edited 2015-02-06 16:27:40

    doctor pavel im heritage foundation
  • CalicaCalica
    Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    you say that like the cia isn't pretty conservative itself
  • Obā-sanObā-san

    if i took you off obamacare would you die?
  • CalicaCalica
    Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    it would be extremely painful
  • AlduinAlduin
    edited 2015-02-06 16:29:09
    naney said:

    if i took you off obamacare would you die?

    You do not fear death, you welcome it.
  • CalicaCalica
    Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    for you
  • AlduinAlduin
    So as I terrorize Gotham, I will vaccinate its people to poison their souls. And when it is done, then you will have my permission to die.
  • TreTre
    image
    Haven said:

    A version of Batman that didn't rely on wealth would be pretty interesting. Less high-tech gadgets and more jury-rigged stuff, less kung fu and more street brawling, less forensic analysis and more deductive reasoning.

    If I ever get around to writing more stuff in the Sparks 'verse, I'm totes doing something similar to this with Tre since he doesn't have powers.

    Tooootes.
  • CorvinaCorvina
    edited 2015-02-06 17:31:14
    Vampire Lady of Corvidia

    (The other Jane)
    I've always wanted a Left-Wing Batman. The fact that Batman is nigh-inherently a conservative figure has plagued me for a long while.

    I once thought of this superhero called Caurinus, a highly intelligent university student who learns martial arts in his spare time. He becomes a superhero after witnessing the massive injustices perpetrated by the American law enforcement and justice system, both first-hand and through the news. He thus dons a dark cloak and resolves to be "the people's detective"--and is thus hunted down by the police....
  • HavenHaven
    Let me tell you. About Fallen London.
    Relevant.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    hey guys, is Fresh Pretty Cure libertarian?
  • Obā-sanObā-san

    Acererak said:

    So as I terrorize Gotham, I will vaccinate its people to poison their souls. And when it is done, then you will have my permission to die.

    this was not a reference to the good part of the movie 0/10
  • CorvinaCorvina
    Vampire Lady of Corvidia

    (The other Jane)
    Haven said:

    Relevant.

    I liked that
  • CalicaCalica
    Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    glennmagusharvey said:

    hey guys, is Fresh Pretty Cure libertarian?

    is Wario a libertarian
  • AlduinAlduin
    WarioCare
  • Obā-sanObā-san

    impeach wario
  • AlduinAlduin
    Haven said:


    Superman was always the more working class hero, a lot of his early stories had a huge bent towards labor (even now, his archnemesis is a CEO, although I can't remember the last time I saw a Superman story where the class angle was really played).


    That makes me wonder what a Nolan Superman movie would look like
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Calica said:

    glennmagusharvey said:

    hey guys, is Fresh Pretty Cure libertarian?

    is Wario a libertarian
    i was about to say "this was a serious question on my part" and then i realized that some sentiment discussing Wario's political leanings was also serious
  • CalicaCalica
    Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    yeah i don't know enough about the politics of your precures
  • TachyonTachyon
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i feel like Tingle is a Republican with mostly liberal friends.

    Like he would probably vote Republican, but other Republican supporters would be unwilling to associate with him.
  • OdradekOdradek
    My dreams exceed my real life
    Haven said:

    Relevant.

    This pitch brought to you by the author of Dial H for Hero.
  • CorvinaCorvina
    Vampire Lady of Corvidia

    (The other Jane)
    The Scrapped Man sounds like it would be a good title for an existentialist poem/song/short story/novel
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