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i don't really understand how things are [time period used as adjective], in a way
i guess it's just "one associates it with a bygone era", e.g. VHS lines on videos
but it's just something associated with that time period
not inherently part of that time period
furthermore, time periods such as decades are arbitrarily defined, while societal changes occur according to either: * gradual change, or * sudden change according to events that are generally not tied to any particular numbering system of years
because sufficient gradual change results in big changes and things feel of a particular time because sufficient change has happened since then that they wouldn't happen the same way now
they are definitely tied to a particular point in time
i just don't like the notion of "era-shaming" and calling things outdated as if it's a bad thing
some things are worse for certain purposes or according to certain standards, and it is natural for things to get better according to commonly-used standards, but that does not necessarily mean that newer stuff is better
one frequent problem with newer things is that they may require more energy and/or effort to create
i've hated that style of videogame advertising, and it continues (albeit less cheesily) these days with advertisements geared toward the hardcore gaming crowd, and i still hate it.
people think it's supposed to be about romanticizing a bygone era - "oh, things were so much better then" - but that's bullshit. What it is, it's about the profundity of Time. It's the recognition of looking back at the contents of your life, the very textures of your existence, enriched by their very remoteness.
I still do feel weird for holding opinions I don't think a lot of the other people here share (e.g. Cartoon Network is past its prime and that it turning its back on animation history is a bad thing)
i don't think acknowledging that times have changed is bad, it's just the truth
that doesn't mean we can't appreciate old things for what they are, while understanding that we are not part of the original intended audience and that our response is unlikely to be the same as that of the audience it was intended for - because that's just the way of it, culture changes and audiences are part of that culture and shaped by that culture.
i feel history is something that should never be forgotten, but that doesn't mean new directions are bad... you are bound to your past but you don't have to be bound by it
in CN's case i think their older properties should have a place and should still get shown, but i don't think they should be treated as though they're the same as their newer properties, because they aren't
in CN's case i think their older properties should have a place and should still get shown, but i don't think they should be treated as though they're the same as their newer properties, because they aren't
well, for one thing, even though thanks to Time Warner's fucked up corporate structure CN doesn't own Looney Tunes, I think you'll agree that it is a shame that there are kids - lots of them - who barely know who Bugs Bunny is these days
for franchises to amble on for decades seems to be unsettling to people here but Looney Tunes is one of the very few works of American animation I would call an institution (along with the Disney Animated Canon and The Simpsons)
I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
as much as I love H-B and wish CN didn't turn its back on the studio, I don't think I would call anything of theirs an institution, not even The Flintstones or Scooby-Doo (which have both taken turns as the studio's signature property - The Flintstones is fondly remembered by people over 20, while Scooby-Doo is the Millennial choice)
I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
I don't know, I know this is silly and I've said this a lot, but it does feel like WB and/or CN felt that Yogi and H-B's other funny animals had to be sacrificed on the altar of progress (The Flintstones kept going on CN into the early 2000s, while Scooby keeps going in forms other than its original - WB has gotten lots of mileage out of Scooby to varying results, while The Flintstones is best known in its original sitcom form that, despite being fond of it, I consider a step or two below the kids' cartoon shorts H-B was doing when The Flintstones premiered. The franchise has also been dragged through the mud to an obscene degree and WB hasn't done much to bring it into the 21st century, and frankly I don't know how it can be done without wrecking it)
in CN's case i think their older properties should have a place and should still get shown, but i don't think they should be treated as though they're the same as their newer properties, because they aren't
well, for one thing, even though thanks to Time Warner's fucked up corporate structure CN doesn't own Looney Tunes, I think you'll agree that it is a shame that there are kids - lots of them - who barely know who Bugs Bunny is these days
for franchises to amble on for decades seems to be unsettling to people here but Looney Tunes is one of the very few works of American animation I would call an institution (along with the Disney Animated Canon and The Simpsons)
i wouldn't say it unsettles me, although sometimes franchises are milked too much i think.
i wouldn't have come up with Rewind if i thought old cartoons needed to be forgotten
conversely i wouldn't have come up with Rewind if i thought old cartoons needed to be treated the same way as contemporary ones
I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
I have conflicted feelings on the "old stuff!" approach.
It does seem like places like TV Land and Boomerang, despite being cool ideas, invariably end up being the retirement home where things are sent so they can hurry up and die. Turner Classic Movies has avoided this, and I have no idea how the hell Turner manages to protect and nurture it the way they do.
And, to be quite cold, Hanna-Barbera is a goldmine of intellectual property. It's baffling to me that WB hasn't devoted more attention to it in the years since they became its steward, but they don't like handling lots of characters (see DC). Disney does - Marvel and Star Wars have LOTS of characters and they want to get every last one out there.
I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
anyway yeah franchises can be milked too much
I'm convinced that Nickelodeon killed Rugrats this way, and DreamWorks Animation did so with Shrek to the point that their exploitation of the franchise has become an Internet joke
i'm still a little bitter about what happened to Shrek.
And, well, look at Loonatics Unleashed.
i feel some things are of their time and are better left unspoilt, as historical objects to be enjoyed and appreciated, but not ongoing franchises. Like i think it's fair to sometimes show The Flintstones on TV nowadays but i don't think there's any particular need to 'revive' the franchise.
And i feel space needs to be made for new, fresh content. Old things can be good, but new audiences lack the context to appreciate them to their full potential. i think it makes sense to dedicate particular stations or timeslots to older content, where i think it will find a more sympathetic audience.
of course the dilution of channels is a problem... things should not be sent to nostalgia channels so they can 'hurry up and die', that's an abuse of the channels
I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
i feel some things are of their time and are better left unspoilt, as historical objects to be enjoyed and appreciated, but not ongoing franchises. Like i think it's fair to sometimes show The Flintstones on TV nowadays but i don't think there's any particular need to 'revive' the franchise.
The Flintstonesdoes seem to have naturally declined in popularity, and the whole of it is on DVD (though only the first two seasons are available standalone and I hear those are the show's best anyway), but I still feel CN should make at least some room for H-B because if not for H-B there would be no CN. It's also more valuable than Time Warner seems to realize it is, at least in my view.
Also, I remember you saying CN moves with the times, but not to me. My ideal CN is a mix of old and new, and that is what made it great in its heyday. If any kids' TV brand moves with the times, or should, it's Nickelodeon. They weren't founded on anything but a target audience, and in its prime it had its finger on how creative people best spoke to their audience. The problem with Nick is that it has stopped moving with the times and lapsed into an "as long as people still buy SpongeBob merchandise we'll be ok" mentality, which is slowly killing them. Nick has generated several bona fide modern classic shows, which I feel should be out there, but I'm not sure if rerunning them on the main channel all the time would have ever done them much good...
Maybe I'm myopic and somewhat miffed that I wasn't around for the day when the masses liked Huck and Yogi and Jinks and Quick Draw more than they do now. But that wasn't a good time for brown-skinned folk anyway...
I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
on the other hand, people who grew up on stuff like Rugrats and Hey Arnold! don't seem too eager to pass them down to their kids, which they may or may not have had yet
i feel like you think i'm saying something that i'm not saying.
i know that if there were no H-B there would be no CN. You will never hear me dispute that.
Also i don't think i ever said CN was ideal.
Admittedly i *don't* honestly think CN has a responsibility to H-B just because that was how they started out (that seems kind of genetic fallacy-ish) but i didn't say, or mean, that they shouldn't show H-B cartoons.
It does seem like places like TV Land and Boomerang, despite being cool ideas, invariably end up being the retirement home where things are sent so they can hurry up and die. Turner Classic Movies has avoided this, and I have no idea how the hell Turner manages to protect and nurture it the way they do.
I think a huge part of this is that Americans actually care about their film heritage in a way that they don't care about any of their other pop cultural heritage.
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i guess it's just "one associates it with a bygone era", e.g. VHS lines on videos
but it's just something associated with that time period
not inherently part of that time period
furthermore, time periods such as decades are arbitrarily defined, while societal changes occur according to either:
* gradual change, or
* sudden change according to events that are generally not tied to any particular numbering system of years
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i just don't like the notion of "era-shaming" and calling things outdated as if it's a bad thing
some things are worse for certain purposes or according to certain standards, and it is natural for things to get better according to commonly-used standards, but that does not necessarily mean that newer stuff is better
one frequent problem with newer things is that they may require more energy and/or effort to create
nothing is more 90s than those
nostalgia implies a fondness for a bygone time because it's bygone, and and also implies a certain romanticization of said bygone time
that requires an acknowledgement that something IS bygone in the first place
that doesn't mean we can't appreciate old things for what they are, while understanding that we are not part of the original intended audience and that our response is unlikely to be the same as that of the audience it was intended for - because that's just the way of it, culture changes and audiences are part of that culture and shaped by that culture.
i feel history is something that should never be forgotten, but that doesn't mean new directions are bad... you are bound to your past but you don't have to be bound by it
in CN's case i think their older properties should have a place and should still get shown, but i don't think they should be treated as though they're the same as their newer properties, because they aren't
but that's like giving up on aspirations one has created in times past
Maybe i've missed something.
i wouldn't say it unsettles me, although sometimes franchises are milked too much i think.
i wouldn't have come up with Rewind if i thought old cartoons needed to be forgotten
conversely i wouldn't have come up with Rewind if i thought old cartoons needed to be treated the same way as contemporary ones
And, well, look at Loonatics Unleashed.
i feel some things are of their time and are better left unspoilt, as historical objects to be enjoyed and appreciated, but not ongoing franchises. Like i think it's fair to sometimes show The Flintstones on TV nowadays but i don't think there's any particular need to 'revive' the franchise.
And i feel space needs to be made for new, fresh content. Old things can be good, but new audiences lack the context to appreciate them to their full potential. i think it makes sense to dedicate particular stations or timeslots to older content, where i think it will find a more sympathetic audience.
of course the dilution of channels is a problem... things should not be sent to nostalgia channels so they can 'hurry up and die', that's an abuse of the channels
i know that if there were no H-B there would be no CN. You will never hear me dispute that.
Also i don't think i ever said CN was ideal.
Admittedly i *don't* honestly think CN has a responsibility to H-B just because that was how they started out (that seems kind of genetic fallacy-ish) but i didn't say, or mean, that they shouldn't show H-B cartoons.