So I realized that the problem with Scrappy-Doo

Anonus · 2015-01-11 05:09:27

Was that he was a kid appeal character in a show that was already for children.

Joe Barbera seemed to be losing his touch by then - he didn't seem to realize that (though Scrappy did what he was meant to do, shake up the formula and save Scooby from cancelation)

Obā-san · 2015-01-11 05:18:31

there is no problem with Scrappy

Anonus · 2015-01-11 05:23:44

I admit, he was the only thing about Scooby I found enjoyable as a kid

Also I'm up to the part about the voice auditions again

I still think Daws Butler dodged a bullet, because Scrappy might have ended up being his most famous role at this point

Imipolex G · 2015-01-11 05:26:35

naney said:
there is no problem with Scrappy

then why does everyone supposedly hate him, huh? huh?

(personally, I didn't hate Scrappy, but he seemed...unnecessary)

Obā-san · 2015-01-11 05:27:45

Imipolex G said:

naney said:
there is no problem with Scrappy
then why does everyone supposedly hate him, huh? huh?

people have no taste

Imipolex G · 2015-01-11 05:29:03

well, can't argue that

Anonus · 2015-01-11 05:33:18

Mark Evanier said:
I don't think you could ever be much of a fan of Scooby Doo if you watch the occasional episode. No one episode is particularly memorable and some of them are quite silly and contrived, even by Scooby Doo standards. But watch enough of them and…I dunno. Maybe it's your senses atrophying. Maybe the characters become so much a part of your family that you'll forgive them anything. All I know is a lot of people really love Scooby…

This seems to be something with the old Hanna-Barbera stuff in general

Except take away the "senses atrophying" thing...my favored H-B stuff seems more, well, demanding of the senses than Scooby is

(though honestly if there's anything where my senses atrophied it would have to be Ruff and Reddy - which is written in a pretty simplistic, somewhat monotonous manner, but still)

Anonus · 2015-01-11 05:38:46

I don't know why (other than nostalgia) Where Are You! in particular is considered this great classic. It kickstarted a long-running, well-liked franchise, but it's very awkward and underdeveloped. Velma and Daphne's original voice actors had pretty stilted delivery and the animation work was pretty poor even for the time period (compare that with the same season's Cattanooga Cats, which in comparison looks like it was made at MGM). I think the animation actually got tightened up in later years, oddly.

lee4hmz · 2015-01-11 05:44:09

As noted previously, my favorite Scoobies were The New Scooby-Doo Movies, The Scooby-Doo Show, and the first series or so with Scrappy (I was teased a lot as a kid and so I looked up to him, no kidding). And yeah, the animation got a whole lot better after Where Are You!

Anonus · 2015-01-11 05:52:08

I never liked the New Movies. They just felt like they were not-well-elongated versions of the show with guest stars added in. (interestingly, they're probably how people my age know of Don Knotts or Laurel and Hardy and whoever else they put in there)

Yarrun XIX · 2015-01-11 05:55:30

I liked the New Movies specifically for their weirdness and unusual celebrity guest stars.

Tachyon · 2015-01-11 09:47:13

i never disliked Scrappy as a kid, don't know how i'd feel about him if i watched it now... i was very surprised and confused when i found TV Tropes and discovered that the article for the most hated character was actually named after him, that seemed like it came out of nowhere.

Maybe because to me he just seemed like part of the formula... i don't think he was in the first series i saw, but i was never more than an occasional viewer.

Salix Babylonika · 2015-01-11 09:48:53

I think the negative reaction to Scrappy was mostly like an early internet thing.

Tachyon · 2015-01-11 09:59:17

i'm sort of surprised that people cared enough.

Scooby Doo doesn't seem like the kind of thing you watch obsessively, more like the kind of thing you switch on for when you're bored and there's nothing else on, or when you have something tedious to do, like the ironing, and you want something that's entertaining but not too mentally taxing to keep you from falling asleep.

Anonus · 2015-01-11 10:03:12

I'm always kind of weirded out by how much it hooked people. I'm wondering if the stuff H-B/WB's done with it from Zombie Island onward created a generation of fans it wouldn't have otherwise, but the older incarnations of the show were (to some, infamously) reran ad nauseam on Cartoon Network throughout the '90s and early 2000s...

It does say something about Scooby's unique appeal that they ran The New Scooby-Doo Movies, straight out of 1970s Saturday mornings, in the early 2000s, but not The Pebbles and Bamm-Bamm Show or Yogi's Gang.

Anonus · 2015-01-11 10:03:45

(though the Yogi Bear franchise was starting to be played down around that time anyway, to my dismay)

Anonus · 2015-01-11 11:03:54

did I kill the thread

I know I've voiced that sentiment a little too...viciously in the past :/

Tachyon · 2015-01-11 11:06:47

i just couldn't think of anything to say in response

most everyone here knows more about this than i do, i don't even know what series is what without consulting wikipedia, it was always just Scooby Doo to me

Anonus · 2015-01-11 11:09:37

most people don't seem to distinguish between the individual series

though a lot of the less popular ones (e.g. 13 Ghosts, Pup Named) got shoved into out-of-the-way timeslots on CN or over to Boomerang by the early 2000s; I'm pretty sure any pre-What's New incarnation was pretty much gone from CN by 2004 or so

the less popular ones usually make some overt attempt to mess with the formula

Yarrun XIX · 2015-01-11 11:20:46

I was always interested in 13 Ghosts, largely because it was so obscure that I rarely saw any episodes of it.

Anonus · 2015-01-11 11:36:17

I remember enjoying Pup Named as a kid, probably because it had a brighter aesthetic, more lively animation (some of which looks pretty cheap nowadays - not nearly as bad as Yo Yogi!, but I am wondering if H-B was working with even worse budgets by then than earlier in the '80s), and moved at a faster pace than the older iterations of the show.

Also, apparently the way Scooby reacts to Scooby Snacks in that show is a reference to Snuffles from Quick Draw McGraw, so there is that

Anonus · 2015-01-11 11:36:41

(I'm pretty sure the idea of Scooby Snacks in general was recycled from his "dog biskitts")

Anonus · 2015-01-11 11:37:20

i'm such a dweeb, the other H-B references were what made me interested in Mystery Incorporated

Tachyon · 2015-01-11 11:39:30

good a reason as any

i remember Snuffles but i wouldn't have made the connection somehow

PatchAwful · 2015-01-11 14:54:22

As a kid I was always surprised how many members of Scooby's extended family showed up, in comparison to the other not dog characters. Although I'm not sure why that surprised me, since the show was called Scooby Doo, not Four Humans. I just liked the idea of the dog having the most developed backstory.

Maybe the extended family of the others did show up but I didn't notice them.

Yarrun XIX · 2015-01-11 18:37:30

I think Daphne's cousin showed up in one of the movies, and Shaggy's mom might have had a voice role in the pup series. I think that's it, outside of incorporated

Corvina · 2015-01-11 21:05:00

I always liked Velma

Imipolex G · 2015-01-11 21:27:54

Velma's all right with me

also, I too never distinguished between the various Scooby shows. They were all the same show, to me.

Yarrun XIX · 2015-01-11 21:41:00

It's still weird that Velma became more popular than Daphne. As a sex-symbol, no less.

Imipolex G · 2015-01-11 21:49:38

she has more nerd appeal, and it's mostly nerds who watch that stuff

So I realized that the problem with Scrappy-Doo

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