IJBM: "Green" as a thinly-veiled excuse for cheapness

Princess Alice · 2015-01-01 16:09:50

"Save the planet! Hang your towels up to dry and then use them again!"

Yes, I'm sure this is solely motivated by a sense of environmentalism and the fact that it will reduce your hotel's laundry costs has nothing to do with it.

Calica · 2015-01-01 16:10:33

whenever my family has stayed at hotels, we've tried to do this and they swap out the towels anyways which is actually annoying.

Salix Babylonika · 2015-01-01 18:06:18

shouldn't you just do this in general anyway

eriophora zia · 2015-01-01 21:01:11

Unless I'm staying in a hotel for a really extended period of time, there's not really any reason to get fresh towels.

I mean you're clean when you're getting out of the shower, so. The only exception I could see is if the hotel has a pool and you used room towels there, but most hotels also seem to have specific pool towels...

Princess Alice · 2015-01-01 21:09:40

It's the principle of the thing. If you want me to reuse the same towels, be straightforward about it being a cost-cutting measure. Don't try to feed me some line about it being better for the environment when it's obvious that's not your main reason for doing it.

Obā-san · 2015-01-01 21:10:57

why would you use multiple towels

Salix Babylonika · 2015-01-01 21:12:26

Central Avenue said:
It's the principle of the thing.

We're discussing towels.

eriophora zia · 2015-01-01 21:47:36

Well, I mean, it IS also better for the environment too. They're not wrong.

It's also really easy to realize it's cheaper for them. They're not actively hiding this fact or intentionally obscuring it, really, because it's just that obvious.

It's just a way of advertising and making it cool to do the reasonable thing that makes sense for everyone, really.

People also don't really want their hotels to feel like they're just barely scraping by to the point that they can't afford to wash all their towels. If they can't afford that, then you start to question what other parts of cleaning they might be skimping on. They'd rather market it as a "this is a thing good people do" athan as "zomg we are poor can you do this to help us save money" thing. Cost-cutting measures are usually only publicized by places that are failing pretty hard. It's all about appearances.

Obā-san · 2015-01-01 21:48:27

using multiple towels strikes me as

decadent i suppose

Tre · 2015-01-02 04:27:57

John Cheap

Anonus · 2015-01-02 04:30:52

"John Cheap" sounds like a country singer

Tre · 2015-01-02 04:33:06

with hits like "Two Bath Towels" and "It's All About Appearances, Baby"

lee4hmz · 2015-01-02 06:31:28

I have a "recycled" caclcuator from Walmart here that is the cheapest, nastiest thing. I'm surprised it works, though to be fair, solar calculators aren't rocket science anymore (I suspect they're using an old Toshiba or Sharp design).

Princess Alice · 2015-01-02 13:39:40

It's been ages since I've had a basic arithmetic calculator

If I need to do simple calculations, I just use my phone, and if I need something more advanced (like trig functions) I just pull out the TI83+ because why not, a bit o' Z80 never hurt anybody

It's actually kinda disappointing, because Child Avenue loved calculators

lee4hmz · 2015-01-02 14:28:15

I have RealCalc+ on my phone, which is awesome and all, but sometimes I just have to have real keys, so I have a TI-30X IIS. I miss my TI-85 though.

Calica · 2015-01-02 18:58:37

Central Avenue said:
It's been ages since I've had a basic arithmetic calculator

If I need to do simple calculations, I just use my phone, and if I need something more advanced (like trig functions) I just pull out the TI83+ because why not, a bit o' Z80 never hurt anybody

It's actually kinda disappointing, because Child Avenue loved calculators

so did Child Calica

Imipolex G · 2015-01-02 19:00:41

I have a basic arithmetic calculator sitting not two feet away from me. Hooray

Princess Alice · 2015-01-02 19:15:00

Calica said:

Central Avenue said:
It's been ages since I've had a basic arithmetic calculator

If I need to do simple calculations, I just use my phone, and if I need something more advanced (like trig functions) I just pull out the TI83+ because why not, a bit o' Z80 never hurt anybody

It's actually kinda disappointing, because Child Avenue loved calculators
so did Child Calica

Knowing you this is unsurprising. :P

What was your favorite function? I always liked the square root key. If you pressed it enough times you always got "stuck" on 1!

Imipolex G · 2015-01-02 19:15:57

why is there a button that sez +/-

Calica · 2015-01-02 19:17:10

Central Avenue said:

Calica said:

Central Avenue said:
It's been ages since I've had a basic arithmetic calculator

If I need to do simple calculations, I just use my phone, and if I need something more advanced (like trig functions) I just pull out the TI83+ because why not, a bit o' Z80 never hurt anybody

It's actually kinda disappointing, because Child Avenue loved calculators
so did Child Calica
Knowing you this is unsurprising. :P

What was your favorite function? I always liked the square root key. If you pressed it enough times you always got "stuck" on 1!

there are pictures of me halloween dressing up as a calculator.

and repeatedly pressing sqrt until you eventually reach 1 was always fun.

Princess Alice · 2015-01-02 19:19:55

Imipolex G said:
why is there a button that sez +/-

I think that's the one that lets you enter negative numbers

On some calculators it's marked (-) instead

Salix Babylonika · 2015-01-02 19:24:41

I just liked to square things until the calculator crashed

Obā-san · 2015-01-02 19:28:21

Magic Jane said:
I just liked to square things until the calculator crashed

same

Calica · 2015-01-02 19:31:33

Magic Jane said:
I just liked to square things until the calculator crashed

that can be fun too but it doesn't last as long as the reverse of square rooting until you reach the internal epsilon away from 1.

Princess Alice · 2015-01-02 19:35:01

you're the only one who knows what an internal epsilon is

:P

Calica · 2015-01-02 19:46:18

nuh-uh

@Klinotaxis probably knows

and I think I'm using the wrong term. I have seen "epsilon" used wrt floating point this way though

Imipolex G · 2015-01-02 19:47:29

oh yeah, negative numbers

one of the few mathematical concepts I thought was pretty cool

Klinotaxis · 2015-01-02 20:46:13

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_epsilon

Klinotaxis · 2015-01-02 20:46:50

basically calculators have finite precision so after a while they found 1 + 0.00000000000000000001 to 1.

Sredni Vashtar · 2015-01-02 20:52:31

I knew that, actually.

eriophora zia · 2015-01-02 21:28:18

I have a fancy TI-nSpire cas cx otherlettersprobably calculator. To be honest, I don't use it that much since most math classes don't allow it anyway... but on the other hand, I can play Pokemon Silver on it.

It's like TI finally made it to the future.

Morven · 2015-01-02 22:38:42

I had one of the first TI graphing calculators. I remember writing a Mandelbrot generator in its internal language. It was pretty painfully slow but it kept me entertained.

Sredni Vashtar · 2015-01-02 22:39:44

Coooool!

Klinotaxis · 2015-01-02 22:40:39

lol i did that too, it took like three seconds per dot

Morven · 2015-01-02 22:41:43

Yeah, that's about how fast my one was.

Princess Alice · 2015-01-02 22:45:07

My latest calculus class forbid calculators of any kind, which was kind of annoying

Klinotaxis · 2015-01-02 22:47:07

a good calculus class shouldn't make you want calculators usually. of course, the existence of a good calculus class is purely theoretical

glennmagusharvey · 2015-01-03 00:23:24

Central Avenue said:
Knowing you this is unsurprising. :P

What was your favorite function? I always liked the square root key. If you pressed it enough times you always got "stuck" on 1!

I liked logging huge numbers into unrecognizable mush.

Imipolex G said:
oh yeah, negative numbers

one of the few mathematical concepts I thought was pretty cool

What about differentiation and integration?

Klinotaxis said:
a good calculus class shouldn't make you want calculators usually. of course, the existence of a good calculus class is purely theoretical

It makes me thankful for my TI-89.

Imipolex G · 2015-01-03 00:27:01

man, I don't even know what those mean

I speak English

glennmagusharvey · 2015-01-03 12:58:03

differentiation = given what happened, figure out how it happened (rate of change over time or space)

integration = given how something should happen, re-create what happens

Calica · 2015-01-03 18:12:05

Klinotaxis said:
lol i did that too, it took like three seconds per dot

this and i also did a few other fractals

what did mandel bring tho

Central Avenue said:
My latest calculus class forbid calculators of any kind, which was kind of annoying

Klinotaxis said:
a good calculus class shouldn't make you want calculators usually. of course, the existence of a good calculus class is purely theoretical

basic calculus class will probably make you want a ti-89 or the like, since it can basically do it for you, but still

glennmagusharvey · 2015-01-04 00:43:13

well you still need to know how to do calculus by hand since the AP exams have no-calculator sections

though, for the sections where calculator is allowed, a ti-89 really helps with time

one strat is to do the with-calculator sections fast with a ti-89 and then do them by hand to check afterwards (this can be practiced with less applicability using a less-featureful calculator)

also great for math competitions that allow it, such as FAMAT team calculus events -- having someone who can type really fast into a ti-89 means you have several questions in a given packet answered with max points

Imipolex G · 2015-01-04 03:35:27

glennmagusharvey said:
differentiation = given what happened, figure out how it happened (rate of change over time or space)

integration = given how something should happen, re-create what happens

oh

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